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Hello everyone,
I’m new to the list, and like most of you, I’ve been researching my family tree for a while. I was told when I was young about our Indian ancestor, but not much about her. I live in WV and my mother’s people were mostly from VA. I noticed a list of Saponi names with Watkins on it. My ggrandmother was Hattie Viola Watkins and her parents were Francis Marion Watkins and Ellen Louisa Cooper from Virginia. These seem to be the only amcestors with possible Indian names. Anyone out there have any relation to these folks? My father was adopted and his birth mother’s name was Elvira Arbogast. I think her people came from Pendleton County and I have seen that name also mentioned. Anyway, any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Hello dispencer…welcome to the forum…I have numerous Watkins/Wadkins in my maternal tree but cannot be certain exactly whom your coudl be or where they may “fit in” in teh information I have….can you please provide some dates for the above mentions folks…or maybe some siblings etc. Thank you in advance. I cannot personally attest to whether or not yoru Watkins were Saponi but I do know that they did tend to marry into my lines which are reported to be of “Melungeon” origins…primarilly being mixed-blood peoples. The oldest Watkis I have indexed was Benedict Watkins Sr…he being born 1760 in NC and having MD and migrated to Floyd Co, KY…some of his CH ultimately removed to Magoffin and Greenup Counties as well. Those Watkins in my tree MD into surnames: Collins, Watkins, Cole, Perkins, Stone, Howard, Poe, Barnett, Salyer, Wireman, Bailey, Harmon, Prater & Hale primarilly. Again…welcome aboard and best of luck to you in your research. Blessings~~~Laurie
Welcome dispencer, If your name indicates the Spencer surname then you should know that all the Spencers that I have ever known are native american.
Have you seen this tree on worldconnect?
Name: Francis Marion WATKINS
Sex: M
Birth: 11 DEC 1838 in Virginia
Death: 11 FEB 1910 in Calhoun,West Virginia,United States
MARC: 23 AUG 1863 Marion,Virginia
Note:
from the Calhoun County Genweb Site:
1880 Washington, Calhoun, WV
WATKINS, W028
Francis M…WM…41…Farmer…WV…WV…WV
Ellen…WF…33…Wife…Keeping House…WV…WV…WV
Samuel L…WM…15…Son…At Home…WV…WV…WV
Marshal C…WM…13…Son…At Home…WV…WV…WV
Hariet V…WF…11…Dau…At Home…WV…WV…WV
Loyd C…WM…8…Son…WV…WV…WV
Lonard…WM…4…Son…WV…WV…WV
Mary S…WF…1…Dau…WV…WV…WV
from the Calhoun County Genweb Site:
1900 Washington, Calhoun, WV
WATKINS, 79
Francis M…Head…Dec 1838…61…M 33 Yrs…WV WV WV
Ellen L…Wife…Apr 1847…53…M 33 Yrs…7/7…WV WV WV
Stella M…Dau…Jun 1879…20…S…WV WV WV
Alice G…Dau…Mar 1885…15…S…WV WV WV
Essie O…Grdau…Jan 1885…15…S…WV WV WV
Hardesty’s History of Calhoun County, West Virginia
FRANCIS M. WATKINS
Francis M. Watkins and Louise E. Cooper were joined in matrimonial bans in Marion County, West Virginia, on the 23rd of August, 1863. Both were born in Marion County, while it was part of Virginia, and his birth was on the 11th of December 1838, while her
natal day was April 8, 1847.
Their children are: Samuel L., born November 16, 1864; Marshall C., July 13, 1867; Harriet V., March 26, 1869; Lloyd S., June 13, 1871; Leonard C., August 19, 1876; Mary E., June 10, 1879 – all are living at home.
James and Nancy (Rutherford) Watkins were the parents of Francis M., and his wife was a daughter of Samuel B. and Mary A. (Darley) Cooper. Her mother died in April 1882, and Mr. Watkins lost his motherby death in December 1877.
Francis M. Watkins was a soldier in the Federal Army during the war between the States. He became a resident in Calhoun County in 1877, engaging in the pursuits of agriculture in Washington district.
He receives his mail through the office at Minnora, Calhoun County, West Virginia.
(Linda Fluharty)
Change Date: 26 JUL 2007 at 08:19:13
Father: James WATKINS b: Abt 1803 in Virginia
Mother: Nancy RUTHERFORD
Marriage 1 Louisa Ellen COOPER b: 8 APR 1847 in Marion,Virginia
Note: _STATMARRIED
Children
Samuel Lee WATKINS b: 16 NOV 1864 in Marion,West Virginia
Marshall C. WATKINS b: 13 JUL 1867 in Marion,West Virginia
Harriet Viola WATKINS b: 26 MAR 1869 in Marion,West Virginia
Lloyd S. WATKINS b: 13 JUN 1871 in Fairmont,Marion,West Virginia
Lonnie Carr WATKINS b: 19 AUG 1876 in Marion,West Virginia
Mary Stella WATKINS b: 10 JUN 1879 in Calhoun,West Virginia
Alice G. WATKINS b: MAR 1885 in Calhoun,West Virginia
Wow! You guys are good! Thank you for the information. The Spencer surname comes from my father’s adoptive parents that I haven’t been able to trace very far back. My dad’s parents, Harold Leroy Spencer was born in 1899 in New York state and Blanche Irene Short was born 1900. Her father was Archie Short and her mother Emarettie (no surname so far), both born in New York.
Other surnames so far:
Maternal: Dodd, Elmore, (Jarvis or DOuglas), Paxton, Abbott, Coalter, Skaggs, Stone, Helmick, Watkins, Cooper, Rutherford, Douglas, Basnett, Lang, Connolly, Darley (ie), Morris, Hinkle. (VA)
Paternal: (Birth) Arbogast, Price, (WV);(Adoptive) Spencer, Short (NY)
If your name indicates the Spencer surname then you should know that all the Spencers that I have ever known are native american.
Thanks, Brother. Gonna have to get out my red marker again. ;~)
Dispencer, welcome!
Well, little sister……. go ahead and redmark all your surnames. You will eventually discover that, like me, all your lines are mixed 😉
Thanks beeleaf. Where are you Spencer ancestors from? I am really interested in the Siouan people in Virginia and North Carolina. I have become good friends with several Monacans that live here now and know low hard it was for them to keep their people together for so many years. I actually had my DNA done a couple of years ago to check to see if the stories were true and it came up with a small percentage of NA but I still can’t find that line. Chalk it up to the racist laws in Virginia that changed all the public records of native people there. I think this list is a great place for people to search and thank you, Linda, for all the work you have done.
Richard Haithcock has associated the Watkins name with families he believes are Saponi. I see it on a list he prepared. He’s a researcher out of the Ohio Saponi community.
Thanks beeleaf. Where are you Spencer ancestors from?
Virginia foothills. Just over the hump from ya, I reckon.
BTW, one of my cousins would also be a Di Spencer.
Ken, LOL. I don’t doubt it. ;~)
Richard Haithcock has associated the Watkins name with families he believes are Saponi. I see it on a list he prepared.
Hey, Linda. Would that be the list for Pittsylvania CO, VA, 1782-1785, or a different one?
Dispencer, how far back can you trace your Watkins?
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