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(Don’t know why I never wrote this up directly and in one place, under this subject line, as it’s what brought me here — and started me on genealogy.)
This is what I’ve got:
My Grandpa told my mother we have a blackfoot indian ancestor. When I traced his line, they traced back to the Carolinas. Grandpa said our ancestor died in childbirth, that her husband remarried a woman who didn’t get along with our ancestor’s kids, so the kids left. Each wife had a least one son, but because the family bible burned, we can’t prove whether we are the children of the first, Indian wife, or the second, who was Anglo and a schoolteacher from Back East.
(Just writing this down, I can see I need to research the two possible second wives I’ve found. One is Mary Yates, second wife of Zachariah, who starts our family line, as far back as any of us have been able to go. The second is Mary? Baucum, the second wife of Lewis W., who may be Z.’s father. Both of these men had first wives who died in childbirth. The family records of both disappeared when a NC courthouse burned.)
What I know is: Zachariah W. Wimberley (b. 1787/90, Wake Co. NC, around Raleigh), parents unknown, married Quinney/Queney May/Mayes Vaughan (b. 1790/4, same location) father supposed to be Stephen Vaughan, mother Priscilla. Q and Z married in Wake Co in 1812. Joel Bird helped put up the marriage bond.
Known Wimberley/FPC connections are:
Benjamin and John Wimberly both have a FPC in their household in 1810 Bertie Co NC census. Benjamin and Levy and Levi Jr. each have an FPC in 1800 census Bertie co. (Bertie Co is nearby and is the county with other Wimberly/Wimberleys in that era.)
Lewis Wimberly also had FPCs in his household. (He had a daughter named Sarah (born 1770) who married a Mr. Bird. I don’t know if this Mr. Bird is related to the Joel Bird who put up Z and Q’s marriage bond. Or if this Bird was FPC, but many were. Sarah is of the right age to be Z’s mother.)
Z and Q named their eldest son Lewis.
Stephen Vaughan, Quinney’s father of record, has 3 FPCs in his household in 1830. I believe his son also married a woman who is FPC, but will have to check this. It is unclear to me whether the Stephen Vaughan born in 1765 in NC is the same as the Stephen Vaughan born 1767 in Mecklenburg, VA. (I misplaced records that I think showed a Stephen Vaughan owning property in both places.) The latter Stephen Vaughan is a teacher, who married an Indian woman named Mourning Dance.
Will come back and edit more and try to get these records straight as this is my priority family line to figure out!
🙂
Don’t know why I didn’t ask directly sooner but — we’re coming up Indian! After a followup phone call from that family longtime researcher, that seemed to be mostly to tell me that my Grandpa must have been lieing (“tellin’ stories”), who knew nobody who had ever Heard of such a thing, I finally directly asked my closest cousin (my grandpa is brother to her great-grandpa) if She had heard of such a thing — and Guess What?! She Had, in spades!!!
1. She told me my great-grandpa was always dressing up like an Indian, and she will send me pictures.
2. Her grandma told her our Hugheses are Indian.
3. Her grandma told her our WIMBERLEYS have ‘Indian blood.’
4. Her daughter, she said, is always being told she looks like an Indian Princess. (Must be some kind of throwback.)
5. Her grandma spent some time as a girl Living with Indians!
Whoo whoo!! (Hate to be mean but — when I emailed a little of this info to the oldtime researcher, she didn’t write back. Hmm. Must be busy. 😉 :p )
Kind of a sigh of relief. I’m not crazy for digging into this, for believing my grandpa, for … I dont know. Being impolite and disagreeing with my elders? Being rude and digging up old stories? Feeling a sense of loss for ‘Mourning Dance’ or whoever it was who first fought so hard to keep us unknown and safe? And for us only knowing ourselves, in Texas, as those crazy drunken Indians…. Heard we married our cousins and made our own alcohol up there in the hills. Moonshinin’ Hillbilly Indians — lol — and my mother an opera-loving, brilliant math and science-minded type, so embarrassed about her roots, but proud that she might be part Indian. Yes, our family should have stayed away from alcohol, and starting in my grandpa’s generation, we did. But so much waste! It takes effort and loss to break away from roots, and you leave so much behind, the good and the bad. Ah, don’t listen to me, I’m listening to Bach, avoiding work I need to do for the PTA, and feeling sad.
But happy, too! 😀 😎 My first bit of real corroboration and it looks pretty strong!
Be happy!
Forgot — on my Gregory line, my cuz’s ancestor married an Indian — Nancy Jane Wade (Cherokee? Choctaw?) married WR Gregory. Tales say she was a mean, strong woman. (Lots of those in my family. 😉 )
Bill; Is it possible that these Vaughns are descended from the Vaughns of 1704 Prince George county Va.? Their migration took them to present Amelia County Va. and into the present Halifax/Mecklinburg counties are of Va.
There was a trader named William Vaughn around old Fort Henry, Abraham Wood’s trading post, and the Appomattox and Nottaway villages.
I would take a look at the families listed on the 1704 Rent Roll for Prince George county Va.
It looks like (not conclusively documented) that the Vaughns are intermarried with our Greens and may share similar Indian origins.
Dan.
1704 Quit Rent Rolls, Prince George Co., Virginia:
GREEN:
…John, 125 a.
…Lewis, 149 a.
VAUGHAN:
…Daniell, 169 a.
…James, 169 a.
…John, 169 a.
…Nicholas, 169 a.
…Richard, 309 a.
…Samuel, 169 a.
…WILLIAM, 309 a.
No Wimberleys or Parkers.
Bunch of Parkers in Nansemond Co.
Originally posted by Dan Akin
Bill; Is it possible that these Vaughns are descended from the Vaughns of 1704 Prince George county Va.? Their migration took them to present Amelia County Va. and into the present Halifax/Mecklinburg counties are of Va.
There was a trader named William Vaughn around old Fort Henry, Abraham Wood’s trading post, and the Appomattox and Nottaway villages.
Stephen Vaughan:
Stephen V. born 7/18/1765 in Edgecomb co, NC, married Priscilla (last name unknown) ~ 1785
lived in hallifax/wake. (No one has been able to find parentage of this Stephen Vaughan, yet, despite years of searching.)
(1769 S.Batchelor bought land on Great Branch, adjacent to Stephen vaughan out of Granville grant 1762 w/stephen vaughan & others.)
A Stephen Vaughan had land deeds in Mecklenburg, VA but I’m not sure if its my Stephen Vaughan, or a different Stephen Vaughan who was born in VA in 1767. Same for Stephen Vaughan land grants on Nottaway (3 creeks) next to Isle of Wight (nr. priscilla newsom).
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Sarah Wimberly looks possible for Zachariah’s mother. Sarah Wimberly’s Mr. Bird ( probably Lewis’ Wimberly’s Sally Bird in his will) may have been John Byrd from Pendleton Co SC (b. 1769, and married about 1790). (Info came from a Lewis Wimberly family tree.)
John Byrd is probably son of Enos and Keziah Denby in 1768, Pickens, SC (in the old Pendleton dist, I think). They had land in Franklin Co. NC. (sibs martha, jethro, susanna, bathsheba, mary, nancy nazeta byrd, & enos norfleet byrd)
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Originally posted by Dan Akin
It looks like (not conclusively documented) that the Vaughns are intermarried with our Greens and may share similar Indian origins.
Dan.
Can you give more specifics? (Always possible I’ll have some connecting info.)
I ran across these while I was looking for an unrelated line:
From “Abstract of NC Wills”, pg.85, Bertie Co., NC:
Joseph WIMBERLEY was the Executor of a Will written March 8, 1737 by John COWARD and proven in the August Court, 1737.
Mentions wife Elisabeth and sons William & John.
Witnesses: Edward VANN, Henry VANN & Jonathan TOLER.
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This appears to be the Joseph Wimberley, son of Thomas b. 25 July 1674 Spalding, England, d. “abt.” Feb 1732 Bertie Co., NC, and
Mary _?_, b.abt.1684 England, but I haven’t found “absolute” proof, the time and location are highly coincidental so can’t be dismissed very easily.
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There WAS more than one Wimberley line in early NC.
From “North Carolina Headrights”, pg. 207:
(on a page with the date November 1742)
“Thomas WIMBERLEY proved his rights:
Thos. (himself), Mary, Judy, Abraham, Jacob, Susannah, Malachy, Silfey, Thomas Jr, Whites and Moll, Pomp, Ben Cate and Lucy, Blacks.”
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What I find interesting about Thomas Wimberley, b.1674 England, is that he had a son Joseph and a son Malachi. “Maybe” the 1737 Joseph is Thomas’s son and came earlier than Thomas.
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(same source, also dated Nov. 1742:)
“John Wimberley prov’d his rights:
John (himself), Elizabeth, Rachel, Ruth, Ezekiel, Benjn., Mary, John Jr., Levy, Sarah, Moses, Whites and Judah, a Black.”
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(same source, on a page dated May 1742:)
“Joseph WYMBERLEY prov’d his Rights on Oath:
Joseph (himself), Judith, Isaac, Mary, ZACHARIAH, Joseph Jr., Whites and Toney, Ceesar and Mingo, Blacks.”
(this is the only time I found this surname spelled this way so it appears to be a misspelling.)
Speculation:
Your Zachariah may be related to this last family and he named a son Joseph.
“Mingo” is a strange name for a Black slave, but these headright records have numerous distinctions between Blacks and Indians, so maybe Mingo was Black.
All these Wimberley families had slaves with them when they arrived so there is the probability that they did NOT come directly from England and there are no Wimberleys on the 1704 Virgiana Quit Rent Rolls. Other possiblities are Maryland, Bermuda, Barbados, etc.
Bill
Okay! so we have a Zachariah earlier than my Zachariah. Wish that longtime researcher distant relative I found online was still speaking to me, as she’d likely have some info on these early Wimberleys.
She’s seems to be mad because I keep finding NDN connections in the family — and insist on believing my Grandpa that it’s not just the Hugheses — that the Wimberleys have NDN blood. Didn’t even help that I’d been assuming the NDN/Wimberley connection is likely via our marriage to Vaughans.
— And in early records I keep finding things like:
A Benjamin and a John Wimberly that both have a FPC in their households in 1810 Bertie Co NC census.
And Benjamin and Levy and Levi Jr. each have an FPC in 1790 census Bertie co.
I see you found an early John and Levi — probably connected to these?
I’m gonna send her this info anyway. Assuming she’s reading, just declining to respond. 😉
Do you know where I could see Wake Co tax records for 1810 and 1825?
I thought this might be one more way to see if I can locate where Zachariah is living before his marriage in 1812 — and the 1825 rolls are interesting because they give who the adjoining neighbors are. I have a feeling that will be helpful. Their house seems to be out in the woods away from many people.
Btw, one more ‘coincidence’ about that first will for Joseph Wimberley is that one of Zachariah’s girls marries a Coward/Cowart.
Lewis Wimberley (b.1738 Bertie NC) is in my tree as 7x g-grandfather. Sarah Wimberley b.1771 is listed as his daughter in some trees and not others. My Mary Harell b.1765 is listed as the daughter of William Harrell and Martha Wimberley b.1750 … supposedly another daughter of Lewis Wimberley and Mary Barbee 1740-1799. Those dates don’t add up though, there are multple birth and marriage dates listed and few or no sources. The marriage date for Martha Wimberley and William Harrell varies, 1765, 1776, 1780, 1793, 1818. Hard to see what is right here and what are errors in the tree that have been recopied,
This thread mentions Vaughn/Vaughan and I can claim that name for sure. Mine is Lydia Vaughn 1780 daughter of Thomas Vaughn said to be from Mecklenberg. His Ydna does not match any of the other Vaughn/Vaughan’s but the atdna does so there is a strong probability that his mother was the Vaughn.
I match 3 people who descend from Abraham Vaughn (I have to stick to one spelling in the database or I loose the ability to compare with ease) and Ann Boulden. This line includes Fereby Benton.
One match to Absolam Vaughn and Catherine of Maryland and this line includes a Gist. One to Shadrack Vaughn and May Meriweather of Goochland
One match to George Vaughn/Dorothy Dorcas Woodford of Georgia.
One of the challenges of NA dna or atdna studies is that the laws did not permit marriage in a lot of places and that children often belongs to the mother’s tribe so it was natural for the children to carry her surname. So any of these men could be sons of Vaughn women. It is a whole new mindset.
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