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Hello,
I came upon this site quite by accident, and was happy to see the thoughtful, and intelligent replies to questions posted here. I have been researching a branch of my family for several years, and it continues to elude me. My Great-Great-Grandmothers name was Alice Ami/Amy. She was married to Hiram Young from Marsh Creek, Pa. My father said that she was Seneca, and came from Ischua/Oschua, New York. I have found this to be Salamanca, New York. A friend of mine and I always joked that we were related, Her last name being Laubach, and mine being Laubscher.
This is in fact true as her grandmother is a Laubscher and a direct descendent of Alice Ami/Amy. What really interested me was that on her fathers side, they claimed that they were descended from Blackfeet. I disreguarded this claim until yesterday when I found your site, and read the history of the Tutelo/Saponi people in “The Other Blackfeet.
The most interesting fact about her fathers family is that they were named Young, and they were from Marsh Creek. This information was very interesting, as I came to find that she not only is descended from Alice Ami/Amy on her mothers side, but also from her fathers side. I know it was not uncommon for cousins to marry cousins during those times. Could it be possible that Alice Ami/Amy could be Blackfeet/Seneca? That is what I know so far, and I would greatly appreciate any information/clues that you may offer. I enjoy the intelligent and respectful posts on your website immensely, and applaud all the people that post here.
Thank You,
Bill Laubscher
Welcome to the forum, Bill.
Was Alice Ami born about 1879 or so, in NY?
Maybe a little more info you’ve found would be helpful.
Bill
Bill,
Thank’s for your reply. No, the information I have said she died on Jan 20, 1864. There is no mention of date of birth. The other information I have is that she and her husband moved to Marsh Creek, Pa from Columbia County. Horatio Hale mentions that the Tutelo passed through Columbia County and stopped in Shamokin . Just wondered if there is a slim chance of any other records of any of thes people staying behind. Hale cites Zeisberger, saying they (Tutelo) had stopped in the town of Skogari (in Columbia County).
I may be grasping at straws, but think it is worth looking into. Would checking the records in Brantford, Ontario for any Ami/Amy families, and tracing them back be another good possibility? I appeciate your reply.
Thank You, Bill Laubscher
Might “Ischua”, NY, be “Ithaca”, NY (?), the area of the Tuttelo villages in the 1770’s?
I think a common mistake among assimilated people today is to assume that because “they” were Indian, they went wherever the “tribe” went….. probably not true, or many of us would not be here today 🙂
I don’t think “all” Tutelo went to Canada any more than I think “all” Saponi once lived in Brunswick Co., Va.
There are many branches to be discovered and many splinters on every branch.
Bill
Bill,
I ckecked that possibility. There is a town near Salamanca, named ischua. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar/towns/ischua.htm
I will check farther. Thanks, Bill L
Bill,
Thank’s, nice of you do so. I sent an email to Linda that posts here, as she seems to have the most links to the Columbia County area. I have not found much at all, beyond what I know now. From an obituary of her husband Hiram dated 5/10/1901 I have found that this;
“Hiram Young died at the ripe old age of 86 years at his home in Coleville on Sunday afternoon. His death was not the assualt of any particular ailment, but rather the breaking down of the system after years of service.
He was born in Columbia County and when only 14 years old settled on Big Marsh Creek. Ten years later he moved onto the farm which he occupied continuously then for 62 years, and ever since it has been known as the Young farm.
He was twice married. The first union to Alice Amy, of Columbia County and was blessed with six children, three of whom are still living; Mrs. Annie Laubscher (sp) of Lock Haven, I.M Young of Bellefonte, and Harvey S. Young, of Curtin Township, Their mother died on January 20, 1864.
His second wife, Rebecca Cartwright, survives him with five of their eight children; Elijah of R??psburg, Elmer of North Bend, Ida of Boggs Township, Harry H, of Buffalo Run and William of Coleville. 33 grandchildren and 6 great grandchildren also survive.
The deceased was a consistent Methodist and a life long Democrat. Internment was made in Union Cemetary.”
The census of 1870 (Centre County – Curtain Twp)
Hiram Young (43)
Rebecca Young (33)
1 Ira M (13)3
2 Anginetta (THIS IS MY GR GRANDMOTHER- ANNIE)
3 Clarissa
4 Harvey
I have found a partial census for this town ship of 1860 And they have transcribed Hiram as Herman Anginetta is 4 years old and no mention of Alice her mother. Which leads me to believe she had died already.
This is continued from above post:
I feel that if I can get back just one generation beyond Alice Amy, that she will be connected to some of the names that Linda has posted here.
The Town of Ischua that I mentioned earlier, only came to mind as I remember my father as saying they were from around there. He was also always talking of going to the Cornplanter Rez, but never did. He was born in 1910 and was not far removed from Alice.
There is also the cunundrum of the different ways they have spelled Amy, which I am coming to find gets very exasperating Amy/Ami/ Amey/ Amigh/ Emeigh etc. But for now I am staying with Amy. Alice’s father was certainly an Amy, most likely Caucasian, but it is her mother I am interested in.
I appreciate you looking further for me, as from the many posts I have been reading, you are the bloodhound of the site.
I mentioned to Linda a book that is Called “ A History of the Indian villages and Place Names in Pennsylvania” By Dr. George P. Donehoo and was originally published in 1928, and is now in reprint.
It may be of interest to other viewers of this site, who have connections in Pa, as it supplies many references to colonial records etc.
Thanks for your help!
Bill
Thanks for the additional research information.
I haven’t forgotten. Every day, I sit down and run thru “the stack”; trying to think about each one a little differently – sometimes it pays off, sometimes not. I don’t think “dead ends” exist – they’re usually the result of a lack of resources.
Bill
Bill,
Thanks! I’m sure your stack keep’s you busy. I am checking into other leads as well, and if I find somthing pertinent I will get it to you. Thanks, Bill
Bill,
I’ve exhausted what little resources for Penn/NY that I have without finding anything new. Let me know if you turn up anything.
Bill
Bill,
Thanks for looking. If I come up with another name, will send it along. I really enjoy reading the posts here. There is much interesting discussion. Have a good one!
Bill Laubscher
Bill,
Hiram Young is 43 in 1870 Centre Co, Curtain Twp. and you have the 1860 census info. I think this is him in 1850. Curtain Twp must not have been created yet in 1850, but the 1860 Curtain Twp census shows a “P.O. Howard, Pa.” so this should be in the ballpark.
(“ditto” if same surname as the one above it.)
1850 Centre Co., Pa., Howard, Twp; pg. 179A, 10 August, at 102, 102:
George Young, 79, m, – , farmer, $0, Pa.
Hiram (ditto), 23, m, – , Pa.
Hetty Gardner, 15, f, – , Pa.
Susanna A. Young, 58, f, – , Pa.
William A. (ditto), 24, m, – , Pa.
Diademma (ditto), 30, f, – , Pa.
John W. (ditto), 4, m, Pa.
Margaret A. (ditto), 3, f, Pa.
Ellis (ditto), 1, f, Pa.
Martha Wilson, 12, f, Pa.
Susanna may be George’s wife or not. Relationships weren’t listed. I didn’t notice this kind of “wife displacement” on the entries surrounding this one, so I’m only “guessing” she’s NOT his wife.
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This is William (above), in 1860.
1860 Centre Co., Pa; Curtain Twp; P.O.: Howard, Pa., pg 405, 21 August, at 1871, 1908: (all surnames are YOUNG)
Wm. Young, 35, m, – , Laborer, $0, Pa.
Anna, 35, f, Pa
John, 13, m, Pa.
Margaret, 12, f, Pa.
Ellis, 9, f, Pa.
Mary, 7, f, Pa.
Andrew, 2, m, Pa.
Andrew, 2, m, Pa.
Irvin, 1, m, Pa.
Anna may be the same person as Diademma. William may be Hiram’s brother.
Bill
Hey Bill “T” and welcome to the site, I have not been on very much and did miss your postings, I think that you have found the best site on the web to answer your questions. Please stick around and join in , I think that you have a great deal to offer all of us here.
Tom
Bill,
Thanks for your findings. I had not found the 1850 census. Hiram was listed as 23 yrs old. hmmm. So he and Alice had not been married yet. I have a winter break coming up, in a couple of weeks. I believe I will make a trip to both Centre and Columbia couny.
I have found some other things but cannot substantiate any of it. I will give a brief synopsis, and a web link. if you have time maybe you would like to see where it leads.
I found an Elsie Emeigh married to Hiram young. She hailed from Clearfield county (Morris Township). She was the daughter of Christian Emeigh. He was married 3 times: 1) Lucinda Daughenbach 2) Isabella Jones and 3) Elizabeth Jones.
There are several conflicting pages at rootsweb about which of the Jones’s were Elsies mother. I guess folowing the Jones line back is the next move. But sure wish I could substantiate that Elsie and Alice are the same person. I suppose it would not be hard to go from Elsie to Alice.
Here is a link:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
First type Elsie Emeigh, then type Elsie Emigh. You will see where it gets confusing. Is one entry for Elsie Emeigh and several for Emigh.
Let me know what you think.
Hope you all had a nice Thanksgiving.
Bill
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