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January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35093thomasParticipant
debra b;35422 wrote: Hi Thomas, I think we have figured out that emma and jennie are sisters. I just cant find her on the census in peter hickmans household. All this searching is exciting until you hit a dead end.I think my next action will be to go to madison library and to wentworth the county seat. Rockingham community collage is supposed to have a genological dept. too I have vacation coming so that should be a good time. did you see joe henry and jennie richardson head stone when you went to the cemetary? happy fathers day debra
Hello debra. I have ran into the same troubles you describe. It could be ,depending on the date of the cencus report and her age she may not be living at home at the time of the cencus date ,she may have been on it under another name, or she may have been inbetween cencus reports due to her birthday. My uncle’s name is haywood owens now, but on the 1930 cencus report they had him down as ralph, and my aunt’s name was spelled wrong. I have let the hunt alone for a week or so then gone back and picked up the correct answer. I was trying so hard and was tired and could not see the simple answers until I had rested from the search. I am sure we are connected there don’t know how but I can feel it. I am going back down to the goins cemetary and the harris cemetery soon with my daughter to write down and camcord more of the cemetery stones. I will look for joe henry and jennie richardson stones. My father’s name was joe frank similar to joe henry? I know how excited you can get and then hit a drop. Just hang in it will come around.When I was very small dad took me down to rockingham and went around to his relatives and there were alot of them. thomasJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35097
Hi Thomas, thanks for the encouraging words. I would like to meet you at the cemetary and meet you. I can also show you where grannys nephew lives if he is still alive. The old indian school is on that road also.I’m going to try to take a rest from this but I think I’m addicted. just to let you know on a 1910 cencus I found a frankie (gaine) goings living with joe henry and jennie. Her age in 1910 was listed as 82. looking her up on earlier census I think she was the mother of bunk goins(goings).she is listed as mulatto. well thats all for now. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35104
The old indian school is still there. very dilapidated. but is still owned by a goins. He has old papers of students probably old report cards.
Where does this name, “Old Indian School” come in? Does anyone know what it was officially called? Who called it the Indian School, if the people in that community weren’t talking about being Indian?
In a way, it’s reassuring to hear that the same thing was going on with these people who actually had the rare privilege of being classified as Indian. You hear a lot of disrespect towards the descendants who can’t trace themselves to documented Indians “they were just living as white or black people, they can’t claim to be Indian now.” What I suspect is that all of these communities, including those that are state recognized now, were living through the same kind of invisibility/denial. It didn’t really matter if you were denying it, because nobody was recognizing it, except to try to harm you.
Everybody was in the same boat, trying to make it in the American economy, living basically an American lifestyle while living ostracized on the fringes. Language, culture were gone, and community gone to varying degrees. That’s the way it was for anybody who looked Indian in the past two hundred years whether here or anywhere else they tried to go.January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35105
Louise Nunn: “A Comparison of the Social Situation of Two Isolated Indian Groups in Northern North Carolina.” (1937) Masters Thesis You can find this on microfilm in the NC Collection at UNC Chapel Hill.
Thank you for this information, Forest. Kind of you.
Is anyone near Chapel Hill? I doubt we would have rights to publish this here, but we could share it privately if someone could copy it.January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35106Barbara Adair BauerParticipant
WorldCat says the Blue Ridge Regional Library in Martinsville, Va. has it on microform (also Columbian U. in NYC, and the University of California in Davis).January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35107
Hi linda,I do not know the name of the school,but some of my cousins went there.A man with the last name of Harris was sort of the big guy in the communityand he wanted the communiyt known as white so he wanted all the darker skinned children not to be able. since just about everyone was related in one way or another, this pitted cousins against cousin.I think in the mid 1950s the school was merged with stoneville nc schools.I think I got my info from someone that has studied this area for 15 years or moreor I could have seen it on csrsnc.com. Even tho these people were first cousins I did not see them very much and am just now learning all of this. Growing up I would hear that my grandmother was indian but I never really paid much attention. Now when I’m interested most things are hard to find out. I at least found granny listed as indian on the 1930 census and all her family (mother, father sisters) listed as mulatto. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35108
Do you mean he didn’t want the darker skinned children to attend the school?
csrsnc.com didn’t work. Could you check again on that url?
This is a familiar story. Similar things were going on in our extended family. Family rejecting darker/poorer family, trying to distance themselves, with others appalled, rejecting the rejectors.January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35110
Hi Linda, Thats correct the harris man did not want the darker skinned children to go to this school. I miss printed the web site it is gsrsnc.com with a site on goinstown. not a lot of info but interesting. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35111Three CrowsParticipant
To hear of this is heart breaking. But at the same time it helps to put another piece of the puzzle in place.
On my profile is a picture of my Mom, she came up north and married into a Yankee/WASP family, and had three children. Believe it or not there is not one person in my family that would say that she is not white.January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35134
Hi Thomas, havent seen you on here in a few days.I connected with someone from joe henrys side by ancestry. She sent me a photo of my greatgrandfathers sister.His sister was Mary Frances Richardson. This is really exciting. I really get caught up in it. I think I would be able to go to the Harris cemetary this weekend if you could make it. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35208
Hi Thomas where have you been? A lady that connected to me on ancestry.on my tree just sent me e-mail showing jennie to peter and mazariah on a 1900c. It says they had 11 children jennie was 7 on the 1900c but I think they were under (Rickman) anyway they lived in stokes county debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35230thomasParticipant
Sorry, I have been a little ill. My cousin, whom, I thought alot of passed away. He was in arizona and will be buried at arlington cemetary in washington.I have ran into a wall on finding my next great grandfather. You know how the papers and documents are hard to find from those times.My cousin was at my school reunion last year and was going to come back and travel around some places with me. He showed me some of my mother’s home places and we traveled in the mountains. I am a little down still from being ill .I will get going again soon I hope, thanks . thomasJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35237
thomas I am so sorry for your loss. Keep him in your heart AND i’m sorry you’ve been ill I hope you are better the next time we speak. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35244
Hi Thomas when you feel like it I want you to look up a J rickman on the 1900 census they lived in snow creek stokes county. this is peter and mazariah and it list all children except the 3 oldest emma,millie and 1 more.It shows jennie as 7 but I think she was older. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35283
Hi Linda I am looking for information on how to apply for native american status. I have found my grand mother listed as indian on 1930 census and her father and mother and g-father and g-mother listed as mulatto. As you know they were from rockingham county and snow creek in stokes county nc I’m not sure how to proceed or if I am even eliagebel to do this. could you give me some information. debra
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