May 25, 2022 at 2:45 am #66819
Hello, I am decendant of Andrew Conttrels and his Saponi wife and also John Squire “king” of the Mattamusket, but according to my father the King bloodline was native. I am at an empass regarding this line. As far back as I can go is John King b- 1808 in Kentucky.He was married to Susan Saunders (saponi?) and lived in Fleming co Ky. Records show the King surname in the Meherrin and Tuscarora tribes. Any info on this family would be a Godsend.
PulahukJune 2, 2022 at 8:15 am #66821MarcSnellingKeymaster
King and Sanders/Saunders are surnames mentioned in these threads on SaponiTown:
Have you tried looking at surnames the descendants of John King and Susan Saunders marry into? Or the families next to them on the census?
On the 1820 census in Fleming County KY there are a number of Saunders, Argo, and Dailey families on page 32. I believe these families are kin to Mary Bell Argo – granddaughter of John King and Susan Saunders. Looking at the others there a few surnames on Saponi lists like Dillon and Jackson.
On the 1810 census in Flemingsburg the names are more concentrated. On page 27 with the Saunders household of Gunnell/Gunnal Sanders/Saunders – there are 4 Dillon households, and Estes, Tucker, and Scott. If you look at pages 26 and 28 there are 4 Jackson households, as well as Collins and Day.
You could try tracing these families back to NC/VA to see if they are near King households there. If the Kings are Tuscarora /Meherrin the traditional territory they would be near the NC/VA border like the Tutelo-Saponi but closer to the coast.
-MarcJune 3, 2022 at 1:22 am #66822
Thanks Marc, I have those census, I never thought of looking at the neighbors (Im just a novice). Regarding who the family married into on my bloodline was the Smiths. Also Susans mother was a Daily and her grandmother was Robinson. According to Familysearch the Saunders/Sanders came from the Loudoun/Fairfax area of Virginia. Was there a Saponi presence in this area around 1750’s through 1800’s?June 7, 2022 at 5:23 am #66823MarcSnellingKeymaster
I’m not familiar with a Saponi presence in Loudon and Fairfax counties at that time. Southside VA there is a documented presence in that time frame; Halifax, Warren, Greensville, Mecklenburg, Lunenburg, Amelia, Pittsylvania, Henry, Montgomery counties.
Sometimes you can see the same families moving together from place to place on the census as a community.June 20, 2022 at 7:07 pm #66824
I am a Meherrin King descendant traced back to Michael King from Norwich and his wife Elizabeth Carey or Hare. Chief Brown stated that Michael King and Elizabeth Ferguson were Meherrin, my 6th great grandparents. I have been researching the Meherrin and putting together a historical overview for the tribe as well as an expanded timeline, for the last three years. Just about everyone in the modern tribe is a King descendant.June 20, 2022 at 7:20 pm #66825
King mentioned in records
John King, Indian for Indian rights to hunt on lands abt. 1695
Robin King a Meherrin great man in 1726
Son kidnapped by Saponi, killed 12, taking revenge on Tuscarora
Wat King on Tuscarora lease
Thomas King with William Cope Indians jurors for John Cope trial, a Christian Blount’s town Indian.June 20, 2022 at 10:53 pm #66826
Thank you Tomahawk, according to Family Search my King bloodline is of the Carey-King bloodline. I wasn’t sure if those records were correct thats why I posted the question here on the forum. Thank you. I seem to be a mixed native as much as the Lumbee. Blackfoot Saponi, Nanticoke-Mattamuskeet, and now it appears to be Meherrin also.
Mine comes through Henry King, brother to the Michael King you mentioned in the thread. Hello cousin.June 21, 2022 at 3:15 pm #66827
When asked why they attacked the Meherrin, the Saponi chief stated that a white man told him the Meherrin and Tuscarora were one and the same. Virginia colonial records.
Meherrin men were on the Tuscarora council, like Nick Major. Meherrin did go north with the few Tuscarora that did establish the Sixth Nation.
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