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December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #813
Does anyone know anything about the Lisenby/Lazenby
family? or the Gainey/Ganey/Gainie family or a connection
between them?
Skydancer
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #9276Hello Skydancer:
I am wondering why you ask about the Lisenby/Lasenby/Lazonby family… I am researching Parr and Crump ancestors from Patrick and Pittsylvania counties in VA trying to find out about Indian connections. My Parrs and their descendants, the Crumps, were intermarried with the Saponi families of Corn and Hathcock. Descendants also married Payne, Gibson, Fletcher, Collier, Fields, Tyner, Bowling/Bolling, Reeves and went to Franklin and Elbert counties in GA. The reason I ask is that one of my Crumps married a Jane Lisenby/Lazonby.
Are you aware of any Indian heritage in the Parr, Crump, or Lazonby/Lisenby/etc families? They were in the right area and were intermarried, but I never find their names in any of the Saponi literature.
Sorry I have no information on the Ganey family.
Sincerely,
Courtney E. Shinaberry
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #9280Skydancer,
Have you seen any of your Gainie/Gainey on records where that name was written in such a way that the “ey” could have been interpreted as “es” with a long tail on the “s” ?
This is really free association, but I was suddenly struck with the similarity to various spellings of “Goines” / “Goings” that I’m looking for, which were ocassionally spelled “Gaines” and sometimes looked like “Gainey” & “Ganey” on old records.
Bill
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10084Bill again I have just found this post. I have thought
of the name being alike. I have seen it spelled different.
What I have is a father/son William Lisenby father
his son Silas Lisenby
married Milly(we think the name was Permelia)Ganey,
daughter of John Ganey. They took the Ganey name and
dropped using the Lisenby name. There is a long story
of murder involved with this family.
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10096Need more information than you’ve posted.
Where and when did these people live?
Bill
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10100There has been the occasional person with family out of Georgia they suspected were Saponi (VA/NC Siouan). It would be very helpful if you could list some details showing these strong Saponi names, where they originate, and where they end up in Georgia.
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10101I can’t speak for the Georgia location, but I can speak for a couple of the names Courtney listed as moving to GA. Deb and I have found Paynes and Parrs in our families. Both our lines – connected and double connected 3-4 generations back, have the Blackfoot ID and followed the path from PA to OH to IA.
Techteach
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10106I know of Paynes in Hillsborough, NC who have the Blackfoot ID. They are now members of the newly state-recognized Occoneechi Band of the Saponi.
How far back can you document your Paynes, and where were they at that point in time?
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10107Linda:
I will have to email Deb. She has a more direct connection and a much better genealogy of those folks than I do. She will be excited by your news. I do remember Paynes in my school as I was growing up. Dark hair, dark eyes, etc.
Cindy
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10109Bill this is what I have on this family.
Hattie Alice Gainey is my maternal Grandmother.
Skydancer
William Lisenby b. @1790 SC married to Samantha
Son Silas Lisenby b. Dec @1813 m. Milly Ganey daughter of
John Ganey
Charles Wilburn Gainey, Sr b. April 17, 1856 d. April 14, 1936
DeFuniak Springs, FL.
married Abby Collins/Collinsworth b. May 28, 1880
d. Sept 8, 1942 daughter of John Collins/Collinsworth and
Amanda Cook
Hattie Alice Gainey b. March 24, 1908 d. April 20, 1984
m. James Ralph Earley b. March 3, 1900. d Jan 3, 1984
son of John Angus Earley and Lucia Moore Garrett.
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10115Okay, I’m searching for the Payne’s. I know there are multiples in the line, but I don’t know where. About a month ago, we got a lighening strike too close to our house and it took out our computer. We have been dealing with the insurance company and have replaced it with a new one, however, all the genealogy that I had in Family Tree Maker and Ancestry are gone. I was in the process of updating my files to send to Cindy when we crashed (and burned!) So my handy, dandy dropdown index is gone…I will be learning how to burn a CD! I have it all in about 20 notebooks that takes me forever to find a name in. BUT…I have located one of them…Stephen Clayton Sinkey m. Roxanna Payne. Okay, let me see if I can make this simple…Daniel Sinkey (b. 1806…d. 1893) m. (1st wife)…..Elizabeth Stimetz
(2nd wife)….Margaret Clayton
(3rd wife)…..Jane Iles
Daniel Sinkey is the son of William and Mary (McCartney) Sinkey.
Stephen Clayton is the son of Daniel and Margaret Clayton.
I do not have a date of birth for Stephen right here, but would be probably about 1830-1840.
The other Payne is Persis Genora Payne, daughter of John S. Payne and Anna M. Harris…. b. 27 May 1859 in Johnstown, Ohio
m. 5 Feb 1882 to Charles Sinkey b. 20 July 1858. Charles is the son of John Sinkey (1831-1881) and Minerva Lin Murphy (1833-1903). John Sinkey is the son of Daniel Sinkey (same as above) and Elizabeth Stimetz (1812 – 1835). I don’t have info on who Roxanna’s parents were. That’s all I can access at the moment.
Deb
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10116But Cindy,
Sadly…this again is not in our direct line. Daniel was Matthew’s brother. Both sons of William Sinkey and Mary McCartney. Daniel and his descendents stayed in Ohio and did not come West with the others. So close, but no banana, again!
Deb
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10117Deb:
Yes, but it is the same area of Ohio where the rest were, the DeMoss, the Greens, the Sinkeys, the Hustons, etc. That land, in case you have not read it in The Green Tree yet, was Tarhe the Crane’s (Wyandot chief) town called Raccoontown. Jeanne has said that there are still people out near the Shawnee area who, when you say Johnstown, say, oh, yeah, Raccoontown.
The Green Tree goes on to say that the first “white” settler there, a Green wife, was left there alone for three weeks after they bought the land from Tarhe. Several natives threatened to kill her husband several times when he returned. Then when he did, they said, that no, they could not kill him. Both lines are suspected not to be “white.”
Cindy
PS: For others reading this, this is information about our Green line. There is a genealogy book about the line that relates some of the above information. Jeanne is a distant cousin, also a Green descendent who has written a book on identifying hidden native traits.
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10118Techteach
Have you ever heard of your Greens being connected to the Nichols family in any way?
Skydancer
December 29, 2003 at 7:44 pm #10119Skydancer:
I am looking and so far:
. JOHN6 GREEN I (REGINAL (REGNAL) GREEN5 SR., WILLIAM4 GREEN I, ROBERT3 GREENE, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born September 30, 1765 in Berkeley Co, Virginia, and died November 22, 1831 in Fairfield Co, Ohio. He married RUHAMA NICHOLS February 15, 1791 in Ohio Co, Virgina. She was born October 25, 1769 in Jefferson Co, Virginia, and died September 25, 1842 in Fairfield Co, Ohio.
Aha, the Bilderbeck connection. Ruhama married Charles. After his death, a retaliation for Gnaddenhutten, Ruhama returned east and married John Green who accompanied Ebeneezer Zane west as they built the road. Then the Bilderbeck daughter, Martha, who was raised by the Greens, married a Green also.
I also see a marriage between a Nichols and a Streets (related to the Greens) in Iowa in 1925. If you want that information, I can post it.
Also, there is a record of a Mathias Nichols in Berkeley County appearing to enter into a legal agreement with an Archibald Butt who was related to the Greens. The Greens were in Berkeley County before Johnstown, OH.
Techteach
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