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February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #865
I would like to know what you guys know about the Mohetans or Tomahitans. They were part of the Monacan Confederacy which also included the Monacans, Mahocs, Meiponskys, and Nuntalys.
They are said to be an off-shoot of the Cherokee and to have lived by Peter’s Mountain and Peter’s Falls in present Giles County Va. They also are said to have traded with the Ocanneechis.
This is from “The First Explorations of the Trans-Alleghany Region by the Virginians 1650-1674” by Clarence Walworth Alvord and Lee Bidgood, pb. 1912.
I believe the Monacans became part of the Saponi Confederacy at Fort Christianna.
Dan Akin.
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #8944Dan,
Here is another name I was not familiar with until today.
History of Ohio Co. WV:
The first native settlers in West Virginia’s Northern Panhandle (Brooke, Hancock, Ohio and Marshall counties) were the Mound Builders, also known as the ADENA people.
According to missionary reports, several thousand Hurons occupied present-day West Virginia during the late 1500s and early 1600s. During the 1600s, the Iroquois Confederacy (then consisting of the Mohawk, Onondaga, Cayuga, Oneida and Seneca tribes) drove the Hurons from the state. The Iroquois Confederacy was headquartered in New York and was not interested in occupying present-day West Virginia. Instead, they used it as a hunting ground during the spring and summer months.
During the early 1700s, the Northern Panhandle was also used as a hunting ground by the Mingo, who lived in the Tygart Valley and along the Ohio River, and the Delaware, who lived in present-day eastern Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware, but had several autonomous settlements as far south as present-day Braxton County.
The Mingo were not actually an Indian tribe, but a multi-cultural group of Indians that established several communities within present-day West Virginia.
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #8949My understanding is that the word Tomahitan was another word for Cherokee.
There’s also a lot of confusion with the use of the word “Monacan.” On one map, at least, all of the VA Siouan territory was called Monacan. The western VA location of the Monacan is the same location the Tutelo were originally found by explorers. They were one of the four or five groups mentioned at Fort Christanna.
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #8959Brenda,
Is that new word you came across, “ADENA” ?
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #8962Yes.
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #8985To all; After scratching around to try and learn more about the Mohetons and Tomahetons I came across a webpage at http://www.poythress.net/poytland.html
It has Thomas Poythris June 20, 1733 with 400 a. on the lower north side of TOMAHETON Swamp, patent 15 pg. 59. This was in Prince George Co. Va.
Lee Sultzman on his Iriquois history webpage claims the Moneton (Moheton ?) and Tomaheton were from the Ohio Valley.
The Moheton were found living on the New/Woods/Kanahwa River in 1671 by Lederer and Harris in what is today Giles Co. Va. This became part of the two county area (Pulaski and Giles) that Adam Harmon came to in 1749 along with Ingles and Draper and where Fort Frederick was built by the Mohawk Dutch in the 1750’s.
There is a letter from Ft. Frederick in 1756, Jno. Smith, Wm. Preston, and Richard Pearis to the Catawbaw Nation that states “…to Fort Frederick on the frontiers of Virginia where a great warrior and a number of young men of the Cherokee Nation now resides…” and “The indian ambassador Kerrorostekee …”
Dan Akin.
I have seen the Mohetons referred to both as Cherokee and Tuscarora and you do find the Monacans and Tuscaroras together on the Rivanna River in Albemarle Co. Va. in 1755.
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21022The Mohetons, as I understand it, were Siouans from Virginia; part of the Monocan Confederacy. The Tomahetons is a name associated with the Cherokee in the 17th Century, but these particular Cherokee were believed to have been absorbed from the Mohetons. At some point, some faction of these Moheton/Tomahetons were also absorbed into the Creek Nation, if I recall correctly.
A letter of Abraham Woods (again, I’m trusting my memory) from about 1675 deals with these Indians at considerable length. These Tomahetons, as part of the Cherokee Nation, still had close relations with the Mohetons in Virginia, and apparently had dealings with the Occaneechis, adding credibility to the assertion that they had originally been part of these Siouan peoples. In regards to references of “Blackfoot Cherokee” and the association of the Blackfoot ID with VA Siouan peoples, these Tomahetons present an interesting subject of consideration, I should think.
The information I’m referring to was from a book titled “Early Travels in Tennessee Country 16??-1800″…I’ll check for more specifics when I’m actually at home and post anything pertinent. I’m still in the process of reading this book, so was interested to come across this thread.
Randall
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21024Did a looking poking on the ‘net and there doesn’t seem to be much online about Mohetons, or the Tomaheton Cherokee. I did stumble across something I found a bit odd and interesting.
Here is a link to a page that the following paragraph is taken from
http://www.distantcousin.com/links/Ethnic/Native/Algonquian.html
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The Ani-Stohini/Unami Nation
From the site :
An Algonquian language group speaking Native American tribe located in the rural Appalachian Mountain Counties of Washington, Smyth, Grayson, Wythe, Carroll, Patrick, and Floyd in the Commonwealth of Virginia and in Surry County, North Carolina. Due to historical blood ties to the Cherokee, we are sometimes referred to as the Turtle Clan Cherokee, even though ours is a different language and culture. We have also been referred to by both our Indian neighbors and historians as the Tutelo or Tutera tribe as well as the Turtle Indians, Xualans, Mohetans, Hansthaskies, and various other names. The tribe has applied for federal recognition and is very active in regional and national politics.
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Some of this info seems to contradict the historic record, at least as they are widely interpreted. Maybe I’m just misinterpreting this paragraph. At any rate, the web link given for this tribe is now defunct.
Digging a little further with a search for “The Ani-Stohini/Unami Nation” I came across this:
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The Ani-Stohini/Unami Nation is a small Indian tribe located in the mountains of southern Appalachia primarily in the seven mountain counties of Carroll, Grayson, Wythe, Washington, Smyth, Patrick, and Floyd in the state of Virginia and Surry and Alleghany Counties in North Carolina.
Historically the people have been linked to the Catabaw to the South and southeast, to the Cherokee to the south and southwest, to the Shawnee, to the Delaware of the Ohio Valley, as well as Siouan speaking peoples. The people themselves have been called over forty different names throughout history. It is possible that the people come from an ancient peoples who have resided in the area for over fourteen thousand years. The original Tla Wilano language probably didn’t resemble the modern language which may also contain elements of Iroquoian Cherokee and Algonquin Delaware on top of the remains of the original language.
The tribe is one of nine tribes located in Virginia and one of many tribes located in North Carolina. Traditional villages were located along the high forks of the Holston River, along the New River, and south along the drainage streams from the high country to the Dan and Mayo Rivers and South. In North Carolina settlement extended from the southern villages west to Sauratown with Chichilaweechi(Pilot Mountain) being the southern boundary and up again into the mountains of Alleghany County, N.C.
The tribe has been active in politics, helping 9th District Congressman Rick Boucher to save the Indian Child Welfare Act and by networking with Senator John Warner to help gain federal protection for the Appalachian Mountain Bog Turtle(see our Bog Turtle Site). In addition, the tribal government has worked for over three years with Virginia’s Migrant Health Network to better the lives of Hispanic Migrant workers who come to our area, some of whom are Indigenous speaking peoples from Mexico and Guatemala.
The tribe remains one of the poorest tribes in the United States. While the tribe is petitioning for federal acknowledgement, it remains the only tribe in the eastern United States with a tribal language still intact that does not have federal status. The tribe receives no aid from the state or federal governments. Most of the people live in rural communities and exist below the poverty level. Farming, limited factory work, and service industries make up the majority of employment.
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The preceding was taken from this website:
http://www.expage.com/page/tlawilano1
I’m not familiar with these folks, other than what I’ve just found and shared. Just thought someone might find it interesting.
Randall
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21032I posted this link before but I thought is might be relevant here again : http://www.vcdh.virginia.edu/lewisandclark/students/projects/monacans/Documentary_Evidence/notesonva.html
This is a link to Thomas Jefferson’s listing of early Virginia tribes.
Something else that might be worth posting : http://www.belvoir.army.mil/history.asp?id=Native
This page describes the Dogue Indians who were located near this fort.
Techteach
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21041It was two Doeg Indians who got into a clash on the Matthews plantation, were cheated in a trade and stole some hogs in return. They were shot, and then several people on the plantation were killed in retribution. The Doegs ran off, and some British went after them. They came upon some Susquehannocks minding their own business who happened to have some of the booty from the raid on the Matthews plantation. Their fortress was besieged and Bacon’s Rebellion was underfoot. It was this war that toppled the Occoneechee and ended the political autonomy and prosperity of all the Piedmont Siouan.
Ten years earlier, when the explorer was killed, his name’s on the tip of my tongue, in a clash with an Occaneechi, the Yuchi were involved. I’ve heard some say they were really the Cherokee, but it seems to me there was a lot of political wrangling go on. Arthur was captured and taken on a huge odyssey throughout the south, up to Ohio and down to Florida I believe. Prof. Brice (right name?) surmised that the popular will among the Yuchi was to protec the Occoneechee and kill Arthur to silence him as a witness, but the leadership took him on this huge tour to keep him safe, then deliver him up to the British. It seems like a decision was being made to get rid of the Occoneechee, who stood in the way of trade with anyone to the west of them.
If this is correct, then the Yuchi would not likely be Siouan. I think the word Tomahitan also comes up in these accounts, but I don’t recall offhand.
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21044One of the names that marry into my family is Dague. Some of my folks came from this area. One wonders, although I think I read a French origin for this name. As it stands, it is certainly French in spelling, but my recollection is a longer version of the name. But yet, it is certainly like the name of this tribe.
Tech
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21052Linda,
The explorer you were trying to think of (that was killed) was James Needham. Gabriel Arthur accompanied him on his trek into present day Tennessee. They were both in the employ of Abraham Wood at the time. A letter from Abraham Wood to John Richards in London gave the account of the events of that journey, including the death of Needham. The journey of Needham and Arthur began in April of 1673 and ended, at least for Arthur, in June of 1674. The letter written by Wood was dated August 22, 1674 and was, for the most part, a retelling of the events Arthur described to him.
The book “Early Travels in the Tennessee Country 1540-1800” by Samuel Cole Williams contains a well annotated account of this story, including the full letter of Abraham Wood. I have just recently read it and scanned back over it again after reading this thread. I do not see any mention of the Yuchi in this account, at least not by name. Also, Gabriel Arthur was not technically captured by anyone.
The man that allegedly killed James Needham was an Occaneechi known as Indian John. The other Indians in the party were “Tomahitans” (as spelled in the letter); part of the Cherokee Nation. The party of Tomahitans, along with Needham, had been staying in the town of the Occaneechis just prior to Needham’s death. Apparently, the Occaneechis blamed the Tomahitans for killing Needham. Arthur was not with this party at the time; Needham had left him back in the Tomahitan’s town in order to learn their language.
Whatever the details of the political intrigues were, it seems that some of the Tomahitans were friendlier with the Occaneechis than others among them were. At Indian John’s urging, according to the account, they returned home to kill Arthur. The Tomahitan chief intervened, violently, and saved Arthur’s life. He took Arthur into his home and, subsequently, involved him in quite an adventure before finally escorting him back to Abraham Wood.
According to Williams’ book, these Tomahitan Cherokee were originally Mohetans that had been abosorbed into the Cherokee Nation. As the account relates, these Tomahitan still had close ties with the Mohetans (alternately referred to as Monetons) in Virginia during the time of these events.
The account is too lengthy to do it justice here, but it’s highly interesting reading and probably a must read as early historic reference pertinent to this forum. There are several tribal groups mentioned or directly involved in the story, including various Siouan peoples. Interestingly, the individual in the Tomahitan camp that was most bent on killing Gabriel Arthur was reportedly a Waxhaw Indian that was living amongst them. The inter-relations of the various tribes and the geographically broad reach of most of them, I think, is really under appreciated or realized by many people today.
Randall
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21081I must be confusing mention of the Yuchi with something else, then. It would be nice to have a digitized version of the account here. This spin I have on the story must be from the Brice (Briceland??) book. The title is something like “Westward from Virginia.” He’s a history professor at the state university in Richmond.
Thanks for the details!
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21107Originally posted by Brenda Collins Dillon
Dan,
Here is another name I was not familiar with until today.
The Adena are thought to have built the Serpent’s Mound in Southern Ohio and are quite ancient.
February 7, 2004 at 10:36 pm #21344Saponitown may need to enlarge it’s borders. It appears that the Ofo or Ofogoula (aka Mosopelea) were related to the Mohetons. They both spoke some type of Siouan dialect. This can be found at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/ohio/index.htm Starting out around the southwest Ohio area, the Ofo ended up in Louisianna. I’ve read where they are probably connected linguistically to the Michigamea of the Illinois Confederacy. Well, it seems the Ofo were living in CABINS in 1700. That is interesting.
Dan.
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