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It appears Mr. Heinegg has taken a pretty firm stand against us, and a good many others:
Some of the lighter-skinned descendants of these families formed their own distinct isolated communities that have been the subject of anthropological research. Those in Robeson County, North Carolina, are called “Lumbee Indians”; in Halifax and Warren counties: “Haliwa-Saponi”; in South Carolina: “Brass Ankles” and “Turks”; in Tennessee and Kentucky: “Melungeons” and “Portuguese”; and in Ohio: “Carmel Indians.” Several fantastic theories on their origin have been suggested. One is that they were from Raleigh’s lost colony at Roanoke and another that they were an amalgamation of the Siouan-speaking tribes in North and South Carolina. However, the “people of color” in these areas were distinguished from nearby white communities because of a single, common characteristic: their African American ancestry. Indians, both slave and free, who lived among the English, blended into the African American population. They did not form their own communities
Yes, the “one drop rule” would have made the African admixture an important factor in how these communities were treated socially and legally by the white dominant culture, but that doesn’t prove that that identity is what was important in those communities, or that it was the prevailing ancestry in genetic terms.
yes, seems Heinigg has his views about our people; we are mixed and have been stereotyped, but the truth can change that…should we be disallowed to claim this heritage??
I have often referred to Mr. Heinegg’s website http://www.freeafricanamericans.com to try to find out information on my lineage. I have only recently started looking at the possibility (although it was handed down through oral history) that our family was of Indian decent, especially after viewing this website. My grandmother always told us stories that we were of Blackfoot Indian decent but I discounted that because the history books did not confirm that information. I have been taught to believe the “one drop rule” because society did not care about what you were made of – only that if you appear to be of african decent then that is what you claim to be. My family embraced our African American roots although the majority of them do not look of that heritage. My mother is often mistaken for being caucasian and the pictures of my ancestors all look of a different races. It was the African American community that did accept our family and they did mix with darker “persons of color” eventually. This website shines some light on our family because of the migrations that are described here are similar to the stories that were told throughout the generations of my family. I do know that we had family originating in Mecklenburg, Lunenburg & Guilford counties in VA as well as in Halifax, Hertford, Martin & Edgecombe counties in NC. We have applications showing the Mason (surname on application was listed under Revels – the family changed their name eventually) family applying for citizenship to the Cherokee during the Dawes act, but of course they were denied and maybe that is why any Indian heritage was not a huge factor in our family history. We eventually settled in various parts of Ohio (Gallia, Ross, Clarke, Greene, Scioto, Darke & Shelby counties) and also in parts of Indiana (mainly Randolph & Wayne counties) between the early 1800’s to 1861.
Question – Is there a central location where I can find a listing of surnames or do I have to read all of the various threads?
Thanks
Eleigh40 wrote: We eventually settled in various parts of Ohio (Gallia, Ross, Clarke, Greene, Scioto, Darke & Shelby counties) and also in parts of Indiana (mainly Randolph & Wayne counties) between the early 1800’s to 1861.
Hi Eleigh40,
What Cordell names are you researching?
I have a Cordell line that married into my Jones family in Greene County, Ohio. When I originally started searching my Jones line, I didn’t know where in Virginia they were from. Since the Jones surname is so common, I have traced some of the families that intermarried with them in hopes that they traveled from Virginia together. Anyway, I have info on some of the Cordell family from Lunenburg County to Gallia County to Greene and Clark Counties in Ohio. The last place I found them was in Darke County, Ohio.
Stacey
sammarroq wrote: P: Adkins, Anderson, Baldwin (Balden, Bolden), Bishop, Brown, Cole?, Daniel, Gibson, Hackney, Landreth, Shortridge, Sparks, Thomas, Vail, Yates, Hart, Johnson, more to come…
Hey Shirley,
I just noticed you have Vail listed in you signature. That is my husband’s last name. The earliest I can find his family was in 1834 and they were living in southern Indiana.
Stacey
stacey.23 wrote: What Cordell names are you researching?
I have a Cordell line that married into my Jones family in Greene County, Ohio. When I originally started searching my Jones line, I didn’t know where in Virginia they were from. Since the Jones surname is so common, I have traced some of the families that intermarried with them in hopes that they traveled from Virginia together. Anyway, I have info on some of the Cordell family from Lunenburg County to Gallia County to Greene and Clark Counties in Ohio. The last place I found them was in Darke County, Ohio.
Hi Stacey,
My ggrandmother was Augusta Cordell who was born in Greene Co., Ohio & married Hollie Nickens Jr. who was from Clark Co., Ohio. They settled down in Richmond, Indiana. Her father was Hubbard Cordell who was born about 1830 in Lunenburg, Virginia. He married Martha Ann Pearson in Greene Co., Ohio. I have a list of some of Hubbard’s siblings (all brothers) who were all from Lunenburg, Virginia but eventually settled in Greene, Darke & Clarke Counties of Ohio. There were a lot of Cordell’s who lived close to the Nickens family in Clarke County, Ohio in the late 1800s. We use to have family reunions together (The Nickens, Ward, Cordell & Brown Reunion) for many years however many have either passed away or moved out of state. We currently have the Nickens, Ward & Odom Reunion yearly where some of the remaining Cordell’s still attend.
I am interested in knowing which Cordell married into the Jones family because one of my great aunts may know of them. Any information is appreciated.
Thanks,
Ericka
Hi Erika,
Margaret Anna “Anna” Cordell married my 2GGrand-uncle, David Jones. Anna’s parents were Carter Cordell and Martha Unknown. I believe Carter (born about 1821 in Virginia) and Hubbard were brothers; as well as, Walker, Macklin, etc.
David and Anna moved just south of Dayton around West Carrollton / Miamisburg area sometime before the 1870 census.
I have also seen your Hubbard’s name as Herbert, which is also happens to be the same name as my 3GGrandfather and David Jones father.
I have a little bit of info on my familytreemaker page at:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/a/d/Stacey-Maddox-IN/
Stacey
Stacey,
I know that we have family from the Cordell side who resided around the Dayton area. I will have to check with my mother and great aunt to see if they know the Jones family.
My grandmother know a lot about my grandfather’s family and she did keep in touch with many of the family but she passed away in 2006. The good thing is that she has documented a lot of information and I will go through what I have to see if I she has any information.
Ericka
Heinegg has gathered some interesting info that may help a few people.
But, as pointed out, some of the info might be a little too interesting. ;~)
The Cherokee lived in the mountainous regions of North Carolina and East Tennessee and had little contact with the colonists.
sammarroq wrote: yes, seems Heinigg has his views about our people; we are mixed and have been stereotyped, but the truth can change that…should we be disallowed to claim this heritage??
Hey Sammarroq, Your are correct. Heinigg does have his stereotipical views about our people and sad to say many others also that take his work as “all fact”. I recently watched the series African American Lives on GPBTV(Georgia Public Broadcasting) and his work was mentioned in this series. There are many inconsistencies and assumptions within his work and it bothers me that there are people out there that don’t see this. To answer your question, should we be disallowed to claim this heritage? No we shouldn’t. I think that everyone should be proud of their ethinic makeup and be proud to claim each and every part of who they are. I am very proud of my European Heritage and my Native Heritage. It is who I am and I cannot change that. I am hoping to pass this down to my three girls as well. Gavin
Hey Erika,
I moved our conversation over to a new Cordle/Cordell thread at:
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=32719
Stacey
stacey.23 wrote: Hey Shirley,
I just noticed you have Vail listed in you signature. That is my husband’s last name. The earliest I can find his family was in 1834 and they were living in southern Indiana.
Stacey
Sorry Stacey, I didn’t see this post until now…here is what I have on my Vails…they come in twice, cousins marrying cousin:)
John Hackney
Born: 17 Feb 1789
Russell, [county], Virginia, USA
Died: Sep 1868
Russell, [county], Virginia, USA
Spouse:
Nancy Anderson
Born: abt 1791 in Russell, [county], Virginia, USA
Died: 1855 in Russell, [county], Virginia, USA
John’s mother was
Jane Vail
Born: 1768
[city], [county], Delaware, USA
Died: 6 Mar 1855
Russell, [county], Virginia, USA
Nancy’s mother was
Nancy Ann Vail
Born: abt 1760
New Castle, [county], Delaware, USA
Died: 1840
Russell, [county], Virginia, USA
it is all so confusing…I have this Vail line back to
Thomas Vail
Born: abt 1742
[city], [county], Delaware, USA
Died: 1799
New Castle, [county], Delaware, USA
who was Nancy and Jane’s father…:)
Shirley
sammarroq wrote: Sorry Stacey, I didn’t see this post until now…here is what I have on my Vails…they come in twice, cousins marrying cousin:)
Shirley
Hi Shirley,
I don’t have the Vails traced back that far. The earliest I have them is William S. Vail born about 1834 in Jefferson County, Indiana. William’s father died before 1837 when his mother remarried, but I think he may have been a Samuel because his siblings all name a son, Samuel, but I haven’t been able to prove it. In looking at the 1850 census records for Indiana, the older Vails were born in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Ohio.
Stacey
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