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Hello,
I haven’t been here in a while. Just wanted to say if anyone is interested in tracing or confirming thier Native Ancestry through DNA testing such as myself I would be glad to help. Sometime Genealogical research tells us only so much. I have been listed as a consultant with the International Society of Genetic Genealogist. This has become a fast growing field and is fairly new. DNA testing has answered many questions for people who hit a brick wall with the paper trail.
I am also conducting an Admixture Test Project. This sees what percentage Native American, European, African and East Asian an individual has. We also take a survey and account of any know Native Ancestry.
If any one is interested in either of the two feel free to contact me at mydnaresearch@yahoo.com for more information.
Thanks.
Shoshone
The Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism will explain to you why that does not work.
Sincerely,
Sherry
The Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism will explain to you why that does not work.
That’s as may be, but their explanation is based on a particular political and economic stance that is not universally shared (though it does in one sense originate in NDN country). The stance, anyway, is not based on science.
In that virtually everything you will find on the Web about the IPCB originates with them — mostly press releases from (or about) their longtime director, Debra Harry — I would suggest that people who want to know what the flap is about should at least read some information from the other side of the argument. There are several relevant links at
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/medtech/0,67250-0.html
This suggestion should not be perceived as an attack on the IPCB or its director, nor for that matter endorsement of the Admixture Test Project advocated by Shoshone. But there is some interesting and useful science involved, that can teach us a lot more about the history of mankind than whether some individual Saponitown forum member has a higher percentage of one sort of “blood’ than another. I tend to favor the science and accept its risks.
IPCB may be basically paranoid, and still be right; that is, there may be an effort by some big corporate entity to patent the DNA of some contributor to any usefully large genetic data base. Big corporations can afford skilled patent attorneys; too bad, but there it is. There is a battlefield for such issues, but I kind of hope Saponitown is not it.
Hey guys,
I would just like to say I have already read the article Sherry, It is old to me. They are entitled to thier opinions. I am of Native decent and a Cultural Anthropologist. It has helped me in solving my family puzzle and I have helped many other people as well. Strangely enough it has brought people of different backgrounds together to show them what we have more in common than different. Just because someone dosen’t show a particular percentage of DNA dosen’t mean it is not there it may have been too far back in generations to detect. It doesent’t matter who has what.
There have also been many lies that were put on paper that my Native ancestors had to accept. You know what? That didn’t work either. Sometimes you will have to put your faith in science as opposed o a piece of paper that were written by racist. I will not get into that though.
As for pappy, I would like to thank you for the support and defense of this project. You are right, this is not place to start debate about things of this nature. If you are interested then fine if not then leave it alone. I will do this and continue my research regardless of who likes it or not. I have also written a article in a Native American Newsletter about my research and have a friend who found her Native female ancestor from 12 generations back and had gained her tribal membership with the Metisse Nation in Canada. She will also have her story published. DNA has worked for some of us and has been a blessing in helping us find what was hidden or taken away.
Blessings from the Ancestors.
Shoshone
Dear Pappy and Sherry,
I would also like to add, that I am aware of they issue of what pappy said about big corporations and corrupting certain aspects of this particular field.This is true and has to be taken into account as well. I think that with all the corruption going on with Native peoples concering casinos and a whole host of other issues DNA testing is only a rung on the ladder.
Thanks.
Shoshone
Hello Sherry,
Thanks for your email. Your contact’s theory is certainly enticing. However, the testing we do looks at ancestral origins based off the current anthropological theories of mtDNA and yDNA haplogroups and the phylogenetic tree. This migratory evidence on which we are basing these tests supports the theory that modern humans left Africa some 60,000 years ago and settled in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. Native Americans are thought to have traveled from Asia into the Americas via the Bering Strait in three or four migratory waves beginning about 15,000 years ago. If your father’s haplogroup is a European haplogroup, then this indicates that his direct paternal or maternal line tested is not Native American in origin, but is European. If the match in Polynesia has the same haplogroup then this person is not a Native Polynesian and is actually of European on his direct paternal line.
The paper you read is correct. The reason is that we are only tracing a SINGLE direct line in your ancestry with each test. The yDNA traces your father’s father’s father’s father’s line, person-to-person all the way back with no female input along the way. Similarly the mtDNA test traces the mother’s mother’s mother’s line person-to-person all the way back with no male input along the way. So we are only telling you where this ONE line comes from. If your 10x great grandmother on your direct maternal line (aka your mother’s mother’s mother’s mother, etc all the way back) was Native American in origin but all your other grandparents were European, the mtDNA test would say you are Native American, even though you would be 1 part in nearly 4,000 Native American and 3,999 parts in 4,000 European. Or the other way around in the opposite case.This is why this type of testing is not considered valid legal proof of Native American ancestry.
I hope this helps. Have a lovely day.
Sierra Netz
Family Tree DNA
713-868-1438
Thanks for the information on DNA testing, it may clarify the process for individuals tracing their roots. I was very uninformed when I tested (MtDNA) and was suprised, when my results came back as mainly European (H). Later I found that because I am female, I can only test for MtDNA, which traces my mother’s, mother’s line (which I already knew was mainly European). If Native ancestry crosses from male to female or visa versa in a line, it becomes impossible to trace.
Shirley
Shirley:
You can get at the NA through the genetree test. It is not as infallible, but it is the only one available when the lines cross.
Techteach
Techteach,
Is genetree the name of the testing organization? I would like to read up on the testing process.
Shirley
Hello,
If the female line is broken by a male ancestor then that male would have to be tested, it would stop with him. That is why they have the Autsomal wich could detect Natve Ancestry. It would either show up as east asian or native. However if it is too far back it may not be detected. Also we have to understand many of these test are used in conjunction with Genealogical research and have been proven very sucesssul. For anyone who wants proof. You can e-mail me directly. The Mtdna test are very acurate in detecting Native Ancestry from an unbroken female Native line. So in essence if you take an autsomal it can detect native ancestry to a very high degree. I have connections with Genetree Lab and can provide info if needed. My lab results are in my file at my doctors office as they were interested in my Ethinic background. As many native women suffer from Auto-immune illnesses this is very valid indeed. Please feel free to contact me at mydnaresearch@yahoo.com if you should have any questions. I would be glad to advise you.
Thanks.
Shirley,
Yes, I did my autosomal test through http://www.genetree.com. The only problem I had with them is that the test kit when it arrives is a bit confusing as to what you select. But I got the results in about 6 weeks and had the results that Shoshone described, part NA and part East Asian. The amounts coupled together verify or are verified by my genealogy research. Like you, I have a broken line. I would dearly love to determine if my Rev War ancestor was mixed as I believe, but I doubt I ever will, unless I can hook up with an unbroken female descendent and get the test results. We already tried the male line and got Irish, but since I spoke with a cousin who said that her grandfather said he was Irish and Indian, I guess that will be as close as I ever know.
If I understand correctly, this is a test that is being researched in the medical field for purposes of determining individual medical perscriptions. They have determined or theorize that even individuals who are allergic to certain medicines, say penicillion (Did I spell this right?), can be administered the drug in safe yet effective amounts through this kind of information. The articles I read indicated that the potential problems is that it reveals ethnic backgrounds and that might be problematic for some people.
Techteach
It has been theorized that the Cherokee are of Jewish origin. Based on current theories of Native Americans, how would this throw the genetree test if indeed the Cherokee are actually “Jewish”.
I’ll tell you what I am going to do. I have some very good evidence that my families are Native American. I am going to take the genetree test just to see what pops up considering that the Family Tree DNA test showed my ethinic origins with mostly “Jewish” ancestry.
I’ll let yall know.
Sherry
I would suggest that you save your money.
Someone who suggests that American Indigenous People were originally “Jewish” (as in “lost tribes”) are drinking Kool-aid mixed in the 1700’s.
“That is why they have the Autsomal wich could detect Natve Ancestry. It would either show up as east asian or native.”
Shoshone,
I have a question. I have heard that if you have East Asian and NA DNA that the East Asian is part of the NA DNA.
Is that correct?
Also, if you have — percent East Asian and — percent NA, do you or can you, combine the two numbers to find the total percent of NA DNA? Or do you keep them seperate? For instance, let’s just make up some numbers herre. If you have 3% East Asian and let’s say 32% NA….Do you add the East Asian to the NA to make it a total of 35% NA ??? Or do you keep them separate? Can you explain this for us. Because those of us who are not DNA experts get really confused about these things. 🙂
Thank you.
Bill Childs wrote: I would suggest that you save your money.
Someone who suggests that American Indigenous People were originally “Jewish” (as in “lost tribes”) are drinking Kool-aid mixed in the 1700’s.
Not all, just the Cherokee and that theory being based on cultural similarities and language similarities.
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