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I would like to say that after interviewing many family members and completing whatever research I could along with DNA testing that I have received tribal membership into One of the Pee Dee Indian tribes in SC . They were very interested in the DNA testing. I submitted my application with all of the family interviews and research, paperwork etc and sent it by certified mail. I was notified that I was officially a member after review from the tribal committee. My children as well as myself will be placed on the tribal rolls. We will be issued temporary cards.
Just thought I would share this information. I will be writing an article for the International Society of Genetic Genealogy News Letter of how my DNA testing and research helped me in attaining tribal membership. It will be due out early 2007.
I will keep everyone updated.
Thanks!
Shoshone
Would your application have been confirmed w/o the DNA testing? Or was your family tree enough to have met the membership criteria? Did the test identify a specific tribe or simply that you had NA ancestry? I’m just curious, since this seems to be popping up more and more these days.
Hello,
Yes my application would have been enough alone to meet the tribes criteria. My DNA was used as supporting evidence. DNA does not tell what tribe you are from. It established the fact that the family members were of actual Native American Ancestry. They also shared ties with other tribal members of the same locations and surnames. Also which was very helpful was interviewing elders in my family and documenting their statments as well as other records and documents. So it worked out very well. I also have my DNA on file with several different Anthropological athorities. This helps support the fact the where my family comes from that Native American decendants and thier DNA is still prevelant in that area. One of the anthropologist was very interested as they have many archeaological site in the area now they have something more to help assist in understanding the Native People of that location.
Thanks.
Shoshone
Congratulations. It’s rare to find someone being able to do this, and a tribe that’s willing to accept lost cousins.
Dear Linda,
Thanks. The thing is in that in many areas of NC/SC many people are related. You can tell by similar surnames, oral histories and certain documentations and information on census records. You will find many surnames that are shared throughout the tribal communites in NC and SC! I have several native lines in my family. People stayed in little isolated groups, moved on to nearby counties and then further way but they were all somehow related. It was very difficult but I never gave up. I was determined. I have people writing to me everyday trying to solve problems with genealogy and documenting Native Ancestry. Whatever I have learned along the way I put it to good use.
Thanks
Shoshone
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Dear Wanda,
That message prior is garbage. Ignore it. I will have the moderator delete it. I don’t know what happened when that message was being posted.
“Hi ! Why do you need a card DNA testing?Thanks”
I do not understand your question??? Are you asking why did I need DNA testing? It is explained in one of the previous post why you would use DNA testing in conjuction with Genealogical Research.
Thanks.
Shoshone
Surnames are good markers for many specific tribal connections, but are not always a definite. My Plummers were very hard to trace on just the surname alone. There are many Plummers (NA) that are located out west, but my family came from Va. I found out from a elderly family member that John Plummer was not my gr gr gr grandfather’s real name. He was an indian slave and his origin was from Southampton Co Va. He was a Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) indian who had an indian name but was changed to the family who took him into slavery and was brought to NC. Don’t let anyone tell you that your surname is not on a speciific tribal roll and you are denied membership because of that. Make sure you have your paper trail even if names are not what we consider “common surnames” Names were changed when we were taken into slavery and because some were taken away from the general area in which the tribe originated does not mean they are not a descendant of a specific tribe. We have to take in to consideration all oral, written and other doccumentations of our heritage.
Jade
Dear Jade,
Thanks for the story of your ancestor. You are very correct that surnames are similar and were changed to European surnames. In my research I came across Many Indians who were on plantation records. I have compiled this information for others to use as well. Many people are not aware that there were many Natives sold into slavery and indentured servitude as well. There was even some Native who had their own relatives in slavery in some research I did. I do not know the reason behind this. There were whites who were in servitude as well. Many of the Indian families in NC and SC had thier origins in VA. They moved into NC mingled with Natives and others there and then Down into SC. You can see many similar surnames across the board throughout the different tribes. I found many surnames within my family that connected with others of Indian Ancestry not just one surname. Also interviewing the oldest family members from the Native Line and other genealogical research. I found several indian connections within my family. Native people moved, mingled and joined with other tribes as well.
Also many county records were destroyed on purpose so many of us could not come back and claim or rightful heritage and land. Also what your people were classified on as early records and other documents. There were even documents of Indians being captured and sold into slavery illegally. Some of them fought their case and won.
Are you a tribal member of one of the Virginia or NC tribes? During my research I spoke with several of tribes in VA and they were very helpful and nice.
Your informations was very helpful and encouraging Jade.
Thanks.
Shoshone
Shoshone,
My Plummers, Owen and Boyd are from Va. The Boyd was a Chicahominy and was listed on the freedman bank records as an indian, but the Chickahominy tribes says they do not have any Boyds on their rolls….that is my point about not letting the surname be infinite…I know they were Chickahominy, but the tribe will only go by the common surnames that are in that area. My Harris are Haliwa Saponi…they originated from Fort Christanna and ended up in Hollister NC….as many of the Haliwa Saponi descendants who live in Hollister today did .My Owen were also from Fort Christanna and ended up in Littleton NC which was a part of Hollister in the early 1800’s.
Jade
Dear Jade,
Very interesting. Sometimes it can be very difficult when applying for membersips and the issues with surnames. I know of several Bass decendants who share the same lineage with the Nansemonds but they will not acknowlege or let them in. They have all their documentation and have done all of their research. I have a owens line in my family. It is from the Native side but through marriage. According to them this line is of some Indian ancestry as well. When I get a chance I will go back and look over that. My cousin said he had done some research on it I do not know what proof he found and did not get all the information. I did see some Owens on a very early list of Tuscarora Indians. I am very familar with the Haliwa-Saponi. Did they allow you tribal membership based on the Harris surname and family ties?
Shoshone
Shoshone,
Actually the Haliwa Saponi would not even talk to me. They said their rolls are closed. My gr grandmother is from Hollister so proof was not an issue, but not living in that community seemed to be more of the issue.
I am a member of the Cheroenhaka (Nottowway) Tribe….(on my Plummer side). I had my geno documentation and paper trail, so I decided to carry on the Cheroenhaka family traditions. I still attend many of the Haliwa Saponi events..ie culture class, Pow Wows and other events. I don’t hold anything against them they are still my lineage as well.
Jade
Dear Buffalo Woman,
I understand. Well I am glad to see that you are keeping up the Native Traditions and culture! We have to do that at least for our children and future generations.
Blessings.
Shoshone
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