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Massaponi….Massa means Paint. Moni means Creek.

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who advanced the line nine miles and two hundred and fifty-four poles. About three miles from the camp they crossed a large creek, which the Indians called Massamoni, signifying, in their language, Paint creek, because of the great quantity of red ochre found in its banks.

William Byrd.

The people who gave this name was the Saponi from Fort Christianna.

Later on that same page is has this which kinda confuses me.

“Three miles beyond that we passed another water with difficulty, called Yapatsco, or Beaver creek. ” This is neither the Moni name….nor the name for the Beaver which is seen earlier in this thread….so apprently that shows the fort’s Saponi was speaking more than just siouan….

The next page has this:

“About three miles and a half further we came to the banks of another creek, called, in the Saponi language, Ohimpa-moni, signifying Jumping creek, from the frequent jumping of fish during the spring season.

We quartered on the banks of a creek that the inhabitants call Tewahominy,

or Tuskarooda creek, because one of that nation had been killed there-abouts, and his body thrown into the creek.”

Miny and moni sound alike….So I guess the saponi called the Tuscarora….”Tewaho” Which I guess is their way of Saying “Hemp growers”?

On page 45 we find this

“This day we met with such uneven grounds, and thick underwoods, that with all our industry we were able to advance the line but four miles and three hundred and twelve poles. In this small distance it intersected a large stream four times, which our Indian at first mistook for the south branch of Roanoke river; but, discovering his error soon after, he assured us it was a river called Hicootomony, or Turkey-buzzard river, from the great number of those unsavoury birds that roost on the tall trees growing near its banks.”

So Moni, mony, Miny does not just mean Creek but rather any body of water.

Page 46 has:

“We lay still this day, being Sunday, on the bank of Hico river, and had only prayers, our chaplain not having spirits enough to preach. “

Instead of hicooto….Byrd used just Hico…..the next page also used the Hico shortening name. the next page also spoke of the hunting dos and dont’s for the Saponi.

“Our men killed a very fat buck and several turkeys. These two kinds of meat boiled together, with the addition of a little rice or French barley, made excellent soup, and, what happens rarely in other good things, it never cloyed, no more than an engaging wife would do, by being a constant dish. Our Indian was very superstitious in this matter, and told us, with a face full of concern, that if we continued to boil venison and turkey together, we should for the future kill nothing, because the spirit that presided over the woods would drive all the game out of our sight. But we had the happiness to find this an idle superstition, and though his argument could not convince us, yet our repeated experience at last, with much ado, convinced him. We observed abundance of colt’s foot and maiden-hair in many places, and no where a larger quantity than here. They are both excellent pectoral plants, and seem to have greater virtues much in this part of the world than in more northern climates; and I believe it may pass for a rule in botanics, that where any vegetable is planted by the hand of nature, it has more virtue than in places whereto it is transplanted by the curiosity of man.”

::”We quartered on the banks of a creek that the inhabitants call Tewahominy,

or Tuskarooda creek, because one of that nation had been killed there-abouts, and his body thrown into the creek.”

Miny and moni sound alike….So I guess the saponi called the Tuscarora….”Tewaho” Which I guess is their way of Saying “Hemp growers”?”

I don’t know what the Saponi called the Tuscarora, but Tewahominy refers to a creek were someone died. In English we could call it “Deadman Creek”::

Miny means a body of water.

Tewahominy means Tuscarora creek….because one of the Tuscarora was killed there….Tuscarora means “Hemp gatherers”. I had quote word for word where the name as we know it came from. It came from william Byrd.

Calling it deadman creek would not be fully correct…because the name refers to a specific person dying…a member of the Tuscarora.

Here is close things……these are the “Algonkian” words…since the Saponi had both Siouan and Algonkian in their nation then you can replace missing Siouan words with Algonkian……There was not much difference between the Saponi and the NC Algonkians….religion, Dress style, etc was pretty much the same…there was some controversy over if the Saponi was Siouan or Algonkian…..since at the Saponi reservation the recorded words was both Siouan and algonkian and a 3rd unknown language……it is though the Saponi words was gotten from different people at the reservation and proves that NC Algonkians had been adopted into the Saponi.

Algonkian words:

my beloved friend, winggapo Powhatan (Strachey 1612).

my dear friend, netap Powhatan (Strachey 1612).

my foot is well, wingam outssemetsumneic Powhatan (Strachey 1612), wingan outssemetsumneir Powhatan (Strachey 1612).

myself, neir Powhatan (Strachey 1612), neire Powhatan (Strachey 1612).

But since there is a Tutelo word for love…then we should use the Tutelo word,

love, yandowasteka Tutelo (Hale 1883).

me, wi Tutelo (Hale 1883).

mine, migitowe Tutelo (Hale 1883).

my dear wife, mihu mima mikito Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

my service to you queen, kenepaskiniwiky Saponi (Fontaine 1716).