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Hi All,
First of all my husband was a stolen baby of native descent. His male
surname was Webb and his Mother’s was Smith. He was born in Jackson Co Missouri. I have been trying to find out his Indian heritage now for about 5 years. We finally had a breakthrough when my fellow researcher went to KC this summer and actually talked to my husband’s half brother Roger
Ted Webb. He told Bonnie that his Indian heritage came not from the Webbs but the Greens. Now these Greens that lived in Howard Co Missouri are of the same family that Dan Akin has talked about on your forum. We go back to a William Green married to a Nancy Barnes, then
married again to a Susan Green Finnell and supposedly a daughter born of
this union a Thoda Frances Green born 1842 married a William David Land.
Of this union a Mary Catherine Land was born 1872 and married William
Oscar Webb 1873 Mo. Theodore Webb 1907 is the father of both RogerTed Webb and my husband Theodore Russell Webb but different Mothers.
I really can’t prove in any way that this family was indeed Indian.
But if Roger Ted claims he is an Indian, and my husband was told from his earliest days that he is Indian and a cousin claims Indian heriage, they
can’t all be wrong.
I was totally surprised when I got this news for I have been searching
the Webb lines for the answer. I do believe that our Webbs that lived
in Chickasaw lands in 1808 had INdian blood also but I can find no records of his wife or wives or land records till 1840 when Joseph Webb arrives in Missouri.
We are trying to document the entire family so we do have a page
called “The Webb Family of JacksonCo Missouri” on Ancestry.
Some of our main surnames are Webb, Rogers, Bridges, Mayes, Green, Land,
Gentry. It is not published yet but I can give invites.
Thanks, Margaret K
PS I would love to exchange information with Dan or anyone else that
is involved with Indian heritage of these lines.
Welcome, Margaret:
Try a search. You could PM some of the folks who turn up. However, just so you know – I have lots of Greens, but they are not the same group. Mine were Shawnee.
Techteach
Thanks, Techteach,
I am not ruling out any tribe. These Greens originally came from
Virginia and Kentucky. It seems that some of this family is denying
any Indian heritage which is ridiculous. They could all walk on the rez
and no one would give them a second glance. I was so happy when my fellow researcher talked to my husband’s half brother, he would never talk
to us when I started this search about 5 years ago. Bonnie says
that he spent 15 minuets talking about his Indian heritage and everyone knew that he was an Indian and he wore his black hair shoulder length.
He was very proud of his heritage. Of course he did have 2 Land Grandmothers, Mary Rogers 1849 married William Webb 1823 and after
William died she married John M Land of the Jesse James gang. So
both of his Grandmothers were Lands. He could be mistaken where his
heritage came from.
I notice that you had Swearingen as a surname. The Webbs were also
involved with the Swearingens. He is mentioned in Joseph’s Webb 1786 NC’s will.
Thanks again, the search is still on. Margaret
The Greens that I come from began in Port Tobacco, moved up the Potomac to Berkeley County (Shepherdstown, WV), then to Licking County, OH, and finally eastern IA. The Swearingens intersect both my Carpenter line (Grandpa) and my Green line (Grandma). The story is that the Greens were Shawnee. I have never found a connection with Dan’s Greens.
Techteach
PS: The story is that my Grandmother’s line is connected with Frank James who married a Ralston. I have a picture of one of their hideouts very near to where my folks were found in IA.
William Webb who was my husband’s GGrandfather rode with Bill Anderson (Bloody Bill) and most of the Webbs in the family were connected
to Jesse James in some way. I just had a notice about Frank James
but I forget what it was about. Let me try and find it and send it to you.
We might have more connections through the James gang.
Margaret
Techteach, I remember what it was now. It was about his DNA findings,
that he matched the Scott surname. I guess Zerelda was married to a Scott also, I will try to find that post and send it to you.
Margaret
Techteach, here are the posts on the gen forum. Maybe you are aware of this discussion. I was interested because my husband had one Scott DNA match.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?scott::james::38629.html
That does not appear to be the same Frank James. Anyway, if it is even true (The James family denies it, but my great aunt’s memoir includes a story of one of the Ralstons catching Frank’s wild west show and talking with him afterwards where Frank is reported to have said that they were second cousins.), it is through marriage. His wife was a Ralston (See my signature line.). The James family says that she was part of a wealthy St. Louis family, and her father immigrated from Ireland. Me, I think it is fishy. I know that some Indians disguised their accents and looks by claiming Irish heritage and having one of their hideouts so near my Ralston family is suspect, especially given the story in my great aunt’s memoir. Probably, though, the James family has more concrete evidence than this story.
Her father or grandfather was named Samuel Ralston. One of my ancestor’s brothers was named Samuel and cannot be accounted for. He was thought to have gone south.
Techteach
I know all about that. I have one researcher of the Green line that
swears that they have no Indian heritage because the DNA does not show
any sign. I guess she doesn’t know that DNA only checks direct male and female lines. I didn’t think of Mary Catherine Land having Indian heritage
either because that is an Irish name and Finnell is also so I was very surprised with Bonnie’s news. I don’t think Cliff’s half brother is that much off in his story. He might have Indian heritage from the Rogers and Webb lines also. Too bad we just can’t go back in history and really find out the
truth. It seems all the Webbs claim INdian heritage now but nothing on paper. Well maybe some day we will find out the truth. I search about every day along with Bonnie who is also doing the tree. All the Webbs
also claimed that they were of the Webb Boone line but very few of them
are showing that. We are written up all over the internet as belonging to that line even after the DNA has proved that to be false. Sometimes
it is frustrating. I do know that one Webb researcher has proved Indian
heritage from the Bass line, one of the Virginia tribes but nothing current.
I also have a Derrick Keith that is researching the Waccamaw tribe where 2 of his uncles are Webbs and chiefs.
Techteach, you did know that Frank and Jesse had some Indian heritage? Not everyone knows that. But I imagine you did with Frank in your family.
It is really exciting to know that our ancestors were part of that history.
Margaret
Yes, I did. But, Frank only married into my family, if indeed he did. And as far as I know, the Ralstons have Indian due to my ggggrandmother, and then the Green descendents that several of her children marry.
There are Webbs that marry Greens in the genealogy I have too, but it is later. And actually, they seem to intermarry with the Streets.
Techteach
margaretk: I live in Central MO, Sedalia, where are you? I may be able to assist you in some way. Have you tried contacting the Heart of America Indian Center for some info about Webbs in the area? I knew of a Webb family who were Cherokee down in Marshfield MO, near Springfield. These folks have long since passed away and I’m not sure of any more family. I know some Rogers who live in the Springfield area. There are many Greens in MO/Ark/OK who are of Cherokee blood. Some are also Shawnee.
I too am kin to the James family, though several generations. Grandpa said his Mom knew these folks and became very defensive when talked bad about. They were kin to the Youngers who are also kin of mine, way back. Cole Younger’s Mom was a Woolery. The James were kin through my side of the Howards. Not exactly sure if by Smith or Howard or whom, it was Jesse and Franks Mom.
You may e-mail me, direct if you wish. dwoolery@aol.com. Id yourself and the topic. I usually delete any mail I don’t know who it is from.
Bob Woolery
Hi Bob,
I am going to send you an invite to our tree and it will show you all
the relationships between these surnames. It will come from ancestry
so it might go to your spam folder. If you are a member of ancestry
just search Theodore Webb 1907 Missouri and it should take you there.
Maybe you can find connections to your ancesters also.
I am at a disadvantage because I only had 2 names on a birth certificate
to go by when my husband applied for SS. He had to prove who he was
so they had to furnish us a birth certificate. So that is how this search
began. I was lucky to find a cousin on the internet also searching so we decided together to build this tree. We are in Ohio. My husband was born in Missouri. My fellow researcher lives in California.
Thanks Margaret K
Margaret; The William Green who married Nancy Barnes and who died in Howard County, Mo in 1848, was the son of Martin Green and Francis Gentry. This information can be found at the Worldconnect Project website as was posted by fellow Boone Countian (MO) Virginia Easley DeMarce. She has retired from her job as a genealogist at the BIA.
Martin Green was the son of Stephen Green of Madison County, KY. This Stephen Green removed to Madison County, from the Ford of the Yadkin River (old Saponi River) area near Salisbury, NC. Before that Stephen lived in what is now Mecklenburg County, VA on Great Buffalo Creek where Buffalo Baptist Church is located today, southwest of Courtland. This Stephen Green was the son of Henry Green who moved to Buffalo Creek around 1745 from the north bank of the Nottoway River. Around 1728, Henry Green lived on what is now called Rainey Creek in Dinwiddie County, VA on the Nottoway River. Back then Rainey Creek was called Licking Place Branch. Henry green’s neighbors were Joseph Wall, Daniel Wall, Gabriel Harrison and Thomas Brooks. Across the river in Brunswick County lived John Wall (near John Green) on Waqua Creek and Seth Pettypoole, son of Wm Pettypoole, lived next creek to the east. Seth Pettypoole was also a near neighbor to Henry Green when he moved to Great buffalo Creek. John Wall aided in the removal of the Saponi Indians to Fort Christianna. Wm. Pettypoole was a licensed South Carolina Indian trader from Virginia listed with David Crawley, John Evans, and others. Another son of Henry Green was John Green. He is is listed on the 1764 Titheables List for Southside Virgina with Gardiner Green. This Gardiner/Gardner Green is my 6th great grandfather, father of my Benjamin Green. The now very distantly related lines of the brothers, John and Stephen Green, immigrated to Howard and Boone Counties in MO seperately in the 1830’s and 40’s, but both ended up in north Boone County.
This Green family has no known documented connection to an American Indian ancestor. I believe evidence is showing some type of envolvement in the Indian trade originating along the Nottoway River in the early 1700’s. We are still searching.
Dan.
Hi Dan.
As you probably have heard that my husband was a native baby taken
from birth to Ohio in 1934. I have been looking in the Webb and Rogers line for
Indian heritage with no luck even though it might be there.
My fellow researcher Bonnie Stanfield talked to my husband’s half brother
this summer in KC Missouri. He told Bonnie that his Indian heritage came from Mary Catherine Land 1872 Mo daughter of William David Land 1836 and Fannie Green 1842 Howard Co Missouri. They trace to your Green line.
I do not know if this information is correct but I just know that from birth my Husband was told that he was Indian and now his half brother even now
does not know of his half brother’s existence claims Indian heritage.
We also have a cousin from this line that claims Indian heritage.
It would mean so much to my husband to know his Indian heritatge before he dies. He didn’t even know who his birth parents were until 2002
when I started this search from the birth certificate that was furnished to us for Social Security.
We have been doing a tree on Ancestry the “Webb Family of Jackson Co Missouri”. I have no idea if this lineage is correct but would love for
you to look it over to see if you have any connections.
Now my husband’s half brother might be confused about his Indian line for his Grandmother on his paternal line Mary A Rogers 1849 married first
William Webb 1823 and when he died married John M land of the Jesse
James gang. So both his Grandmothers paternal and maternal were Lands.
Dan I would love to give you an invite to the tree we are doing. If
you are a member of ancestry just do a search for Theodore Webb 1907 Missouri. If not my email is cliff2usa@msn.com and I will issue an invite
where you can make comments on each person. I would like to know more about the tribe that you are a chief of. Are they still seaking admission to BIA. Thanks so much for
your reply. Margaret K Peggy Woolfork Webb
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