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margaret; I want to correct one thing I wrote. Buffalo Baptist Church and Great Buffalo Creek is southwest of CLARKSVILLE, VA not Courtland.
I left that group when I discovered from family genealogists and historians that my Green and Neal families (claimed to have been Cherokee) have no documented evidence whatsoever of being descendants of the Cherokee tribe. Real historical records lead to a totally different history. One of Indian traders, frontier militia fighters, and Longhunters. It is a great and fascinating story in it’s own right. One to be very proud of.
It is my hope that we can all work together to reveal the origins of our heritage.
Dan.
Thanks Dan, You repled before I did I guess. William Green was also married to a Susan Finnell after Nancy died. She was also a Green on
her Mother’s side. It seems they all married cousins.
We have a Thoda or Rhoda Green marrying Jonathon Finnell and their
daughter Susan Finnell is the one marrying William Green. Their
daughter (I think) it is their child married William David Land. Their child
Mary Catherine Land 1872 Married William Oscar Webb 1873 only child of Mary Rogers 1849 and William Webb 1823. I always thought that my
husband’s Indian heritage possibly came from Mary Rogers but that is really hard to prove when they were on no known rolls.
Now I do have one interesting fact, my husband’s YDNA is a very close match with the Appersons and Calhouns not the Webbs. So that complicates
things even more. The Apperson claim Indian heritage from a Chief
Donohoe married to a Mary Wentworth. Their Guion Miller claim was denied, but some of them claim Cherokee back to the Browns. These
are the Appersons that include Phoebe Apperson who is a noted Indian
but again not on any roll that I can find. Maybe the Browns were.
Thank you very very much for the info on the Greens, it really gives
me more research material. Margaret K
Dan, I have one question? Are you still looking for the proof of your Indian heritage
or have you given up? Have you participated in a DNA study? In
studying the Appersons I really feel that Chief Donohoe was Indian but not of the Cherokee tribe. That is why their application was denied.
It could be the same for the Greens. When I looked at their pedigree
I didn’t see any Indian blood either. Barnes might be Indian? They sometimes
went as Barron or Barnes. I know that my husband Theodore and Roger Ted had to get it from someone. Maybe Mary Rogers. I don’t have any proof either and the Indian records are not good. There were some Greens also on the Otoe allotments. I also haven’t checked the Iowa
tribe. They all were in Payne co and Logan Co Oklahoma in 1900. That is one clue that was on my husband’s birth certificate. Keep in touch and I will let you know any thing I find out also. Thanks again, Margaret K
margaret; Of course, I NEVER stop searching! They did do a DNA study of our male Green line. It originated in England. That is what historical records would suggest also. It could be that Green men took Indian brides somewhere along the line. There are hints that it could be true, but there is no concrete evidence. I think we are geting closer to the truth though. Our Guion-Miller testimonies were not accepted in 1908 because they could find no connection between my Green family and the Cherokee tribe either. The Greens in different stages of their history seem to be very close in proximity to the Saponis and those that dealt with the Saponis.
Actually starting in 1724/25 Henry Green on the Nottoway River is just south of Sappony Creek in Dinwiddie County, VA. He is just about 15 miles northeast of Fort Christianna in Brunswick County, VA. Saponi Indians were recorded to still be there in 1729. He is said to have married a Griffin. A Charles Griffin was the Schoolmaster at Fort Christianna. There is the association with his Wall neighbors on the Nottoway River and their association with Fort Christianna. In 1719 Samuel Eaton gave a deed of release to whom we believe was my John Green in what was then concidered a part of Prince George County, VA. We all know, and it is recorded, that William Eaton, when he removed from VA to Granville County, NC, allowed Saponi Indians to live on his land.
When Henry Green and his children settled on Great Buffalo Creek around 1745, they were just a few short miles from Occaneechi and Tutelo Islands on the Roanoke River. Great Buffalo Creek empties into the Roanoke just a few miles above present Occanechie State Park. There they were neighbors and relations with Edward and William Sizemore (their Guion-Miller testimonies were not accepted either). Other Nottoway River Indian trading families moved into this settlement area such as the Wynnes, Pettypooles, and Jones. The Buffalo Creek/Aaron’s Creek/Hyco Creek settlement area is very near the Saponi settlement at Bluewing and Mayo Creeks which empty into Hyco Creek in Halifax County, VA.
What I am asking is, what is the most likely guess for tribes for early intermarriage for my Green family? The Nottoway/Wyanoke/Meherrin and the Saponi/Cheraw/Catawba are my two choices right now. This may change with added historical information.
Dan.
Dan, this is very interesting. We have several researchers of the Webbs
that are connecting to these tribes also. We can find nothing on Joseph Webb abt 1786 NC until 1830 when he is in Claiborne Tenn. ONe of the birth certificates of his Grandson’s says that his son Allen Webb was born in 1808 Shelby Co Tenn. Shelby Co didn’t exist then. We also have a Jesse Levi Webb Marion Co Tenn married to a Vina Green that matches our Webbs in DNA. Our Webbs are haplogroup 1. My husband is E3B which is really Melungeon or Mediterranean. Some where along the line an E3B baby was born to a Webb woman or a Roger’s woman or even a Green. Everyone of the Webbs have a family history of having Indian heritage also. I think it was Beverly N that put out a statement that the Northern Cherokee of Misssouri had Jewish heritage. Maybe some of them also tested E3B.
I know I found that very interesting because at the time I had just gotten back my husband’s DNA report. Well any ways this research is very challenging. At this point we do not even know who Margaret was that
married Joseph. He might have had even more wives than we know of.
Margaret
Margaret; You must discount anything and everything coming from Beverly N and her group. You have stumbled across a truth about our Green family, though. They are not Melungeon , but their history , culture, and migration were very similar to the Melungeons. My Ben Green, son of Gardner Green, grandson of John Green, and great grandson of Henry Green recieved land in old Hawkins County, TN from his father-in-law, John Rice. John Rice deeded land in Hawkins County, TN in 1796 to Ben Green, in Sizemore’s Valley, on the waters of Joseph Walling’s Mill Creek. His neighbor was the Melungeon, Micajah Bunch. It is said that Micajah Bunch was the first Melungeon to settle on Newman’s Ridge in present Hancock County, TN. This ridge extends into Lee County, VA. and is contained within the Clinch River to the south and Blackwater Creek to the north. Joseph Walling’s land began at Kyle’s Ford on the Clinch River (present Hancock County, old Hawkins County, TN) and extended north up and over Newman’s Ridge into Lee County, VA.
Captain Robert Kyle married the daughter of Thomas Brooks, the Nottoway River neighbor of Henry Green. My Gardner Green is said to have married Margaret Coil/Kyle and I think Robert Kyle did have an aunt named Margaret. Thomas Brooks’ three sons, Thomas, Castleton, and Littleton Brooks, went to western Va. and were Longhunters along with Isaac and John Rice and the Wallin/Walling family. One of them married a Wallin as did Isaac Rice. I believe sisters of Joseph Walling. Robert Kyle and Thomas Brooks ended up in old Hawkins County, TN as did Joseph Walling and we have Walling’s Cemetery on the north side of Kyle’s Ford just above Brook’s Island on the Clinch River and near the mouth of Blackwater Creek today. As close to the Melungeons as you can get.
Castleton Brooks was a Longhunter.
Littleton Brooks represented the Watauga Association at the Treaty of Sycamore Schoals in 1774 with the Cherokees on the Holston River, called the Henderson Purchase.
A Thomas Brooks (perhaps Thomas brooks 3rd ?) was in the TN militia and helped destroy the Chickamauga Cherokee towns in 1777. He was a frontier Indian Spy and was stationed on the Holston River at Rice’s Fort in 1780, six miles below where Kingsport, TN is today.
Dan.
The Saponi settlement I refered to on Bluewing and Mayo Creeks in Halifax County, Va is the High Plains Sappony of Person County NC. They stradle the VA/NC line into southeastern Halifax County, VA. Their settlement at Christie, Halifax County, VA is about 12 miles from where Henry Green and his sons lived on Great Buffalo Creek in southwestern Mecklenburg County, VA.
Dan.
Writing all of this from memory, I want to correct something else that I wrote. Littleton Brooks, son of Thomas Brooks who was a neighbor of Henry Green on the Nottoway River, married the daughter of Joseph Walling of the Kyle’s Ford area of Hancock County, TN. Isaac Rice, brother of John Rice who was the father-in-law of my Benjamin Green, married this Joseph Walling’s sister. This Joseph Walling was the son of Elisha Walling Sr.
Dan.
Thanks Dan so much. You must have really worked very hard to have all that information. Trying to find connections to what I have. You know we have another Webb that connects to the
Greens. An Elisha B Webb. He has no DNA matches, not even of another
surname. I will get their gedcom for you. When I saw Elisha Walling in
your history it made me think of this Wiliam Green. No one really knows
what William Green this is either. Margaret K
Dan, here is the Ged com. What is interesting is that the author of this
writeup, Claude Crandall is a cousin to Shirley Kays, my fellow researcher of our Greens.
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2223423&id=I117605620
Dan, I suppose you have seen the records of Young Wolf of Bethlehem Pa.
I was just thinking that Young Wolf could have been an Indian slave of Gardner Green or a son of an Indain wife and that is how they became a part of the Green family, intermarrying. It would be nice if we could research this mentor. I had the same problem of an Alexander Harris slave and owner in Jackson Co Missouri. Could be an answer or a clue. Margaret
JERRI.CHASTEEN 
(View posts) Posted: 18 Sep 1998 4:00AM Classification: Query
Surnames: Green, Young Wolf
Doris-
This is only one of the documents that the G/M Commission were looking at when they rejected all of those applications– The ages of the two men were way off. In fact, he could have actually been “the mentor” of Young Wolf. This comes from the official school records of the mission.
Reel 26, Box 197, Folder 5 “Records of the Moravian Mission” Archives of the Moravian church, Bethlehem, PA
Name: U’S’Ti Wa’ya
Native or White: native
Age: about 9 years
Place Whence; Coosawattee
Baptized or Unbaptized: Unbaptized
Parents or Guardian: Mouse & NN {not named}
Entered School: 1 Fb 1819
Left School: Aug 14, 1826
Remarks: We name him Gardiner Green after his guardian {mentor} in Boston.
Margaret; Their are many false myths created around my Gardner Green. The Gardiner Green listed on the 1835 Henderson Roll has no known connection to my family of Greens at all. He was a member of the Cherokee Nation in those days and the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma still knows who he was and where he went. Only the Moravian archives were what was in Pennsylvania.
Young Wolf AKA Gardiner Green was named, temporarily, after a rich Boston , MA merchant named Gardiner Green. He re-took his Cherokee name of Young Wolf after his schooling and was removed to Indian Territory in 1838/39.
Our family genealogists and historians are doing the right thing and thoroughly and slowly researching our Green family. It is painful at times waiting for new discoveries, but it is being done properly. My part is to take their discoveries and step by step reveal elements of the stages of migration, the historical record of those times, and the life and associations of their neighbors.
These migration stages are as follows; Boone County, MO, Silver Fork Creek, 1831/33 to present. Henry County, KY, Drennon’s Creek, 1800 to 1831/33, Now Hawkins/Hancock Counties, TN, Clinch River, Joseph Walling’s Mill Creek, 1786 to 1800. Now Grayson County, VA, Elk Creek area, ca. 1770 to 1786. Now Mecklenburg County, VA, Great Buffalo Creek, ca. 1745 to 1770. Nottoway River, Now Dinwiddie County, VA, Licking Place Branch, now called Rainey Creek, ca. 1724 to 1745.
Dan.
Thanks Dan, I would be very interested in any new findings your genealogists come up with because of my Green connections also.
Would you mind posting them here or send them to me direct at
cliff2usa@msn.com. Would also love to solve the Green mystery maybe
also solving the Webb mystery. Margaret K
It was very nice to meet you here at Saponitown. I would like to keep updates posted here. Saponitown is a great place to share and you know your info will be here for others to see.
Dan.
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