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There is a cure for the recognition game that the government and now some government allied tribes are playing. The following is a post from another forum:
Perhaps the situation is very similar indeed. There are 4 million Indians in the United States, which is (I believe) PATHETIC. In no other country of the Americas the Indians were so wiped out of existence like in the United States.
In Hispanic America the average Indian blood is 25%, in the Hispanic Caribbean is around 15%. In Brazil is over 20%. Even in Canada there are more than a million Native Americans making the 5% of the population at least. Quebecoise, for instance, are proud of their Indian great-gran mothers.
What happened in the US?
I very much believe than MANY Indians were absorved by the white population. Some tests have shown a 6% of Native American admixture in White Americans. The number for the admixture in the Black population is around the same as well. So, a 6% of the genetic pool of non-Hispanic US people would represent about 14 million individuals if they were an isolated population !!!
Indians mixed with whites and never told their descendents about their past. That is “passing”, another of those curious US racial behavoirs.
However, the cure is comming. Mexicans migrants that go to the States are about 60% Native Americans and they dominate Hispanic immigration to the US. Hispanics in the States are more that 40 millions already and the number is growing daily. Because they are growing so fast Native American blood is starting to flow in mass to the United States at last.
If you follow just a simple calculation, you will find out that the sum of Native Americans, the admixture in Whites and Blacks and the contribution of Hispanic populations add to the equivalent of a population of 4+14+24=44 million peoples, or over the 15% of the population.
Not too bad for an extinct race. Isn’t it?
(And that is without counting some East Asian groups that are closely related to Native Americans)
That’s good news, I guess. The Americas are Indian lands after all. “
Regards, Omar Vega
http://backintyme.com/ODR/about855.htm
I don’t necessarily agree with this guys figures but his point is on target and can be taken futher. 90% of Mexican’s are Indians and the illegal border will not stop 100,000,000 of our Native American brothers and sisters from re-browning the US. And they have retained much of their Indian culture. What will government recognition mean when there are 100 million non-recognized Indians in the US and we begin organizing in powerful ways.
The key is not recognition but organizing tribally (which means economically, politically and socially) and Mexicans are already 60% there. They are the sleeping Native American giant!
Barry
Thanks Barry for sharing that information. My husband’s father was from Mexico, the family has Mayan roots. My skin tone is medium as is my husbands (his mother was German), but I have one daughter who is darker than us both and is black-eyed. It is something to think about.
Shirley
When I grew up in Southside VA there were two races – Black and White. Brown people were few and far between. We were always the minority. I went to the “colored” school until the third grade and I was a minority among a minority. I was the lightest kid in my class. And from the 4 to 7th I went to the white school and was a minority there. I was the darkest kid in my class. Then the schools integrated and I was still a minority. Almost everywhere we went in the south we were a minority. The south has been like this for 300 to 400 years with the exception of small isolate communities such as Greentown and Holister. The shame of this all is that the Southeast like the rest of the US has always been brown.
I was in Wilson NC last night at Wal-Mart and approximately 1/3 of the people there were brown—Mexican—INDIAN. WOW! It really felt good. It felt good to be in a public place in the south surrounded by Indians and be not be a minority. I walked around the store smiling and speaking to them all.
Many of the Indians in Wilson don’t speak Spanish or English. They still speak their Native Indian languages. Most still live in close nit extended family units – looks like tribes to me. The vast majority of Indians yesterday were with their families because they are still tribally-family oriented. Many have their tribal name printed across the front top of their windshield—Gonzanles, Garcia, Arizpe. Right down the road from where I live in Clarksville lives Jeronimo. He has it proudly displayed on his license plate. Who would have ever though that Jeronimo, my hero, would be living in Occoneechee VA in 2006. Most are still eating Indian foods, which by the way is healthy. Yes the vast majority of American Indians today in the US don’t admit publicly they are Indian and most Euro-Americans don’t see them as Indian. As the ancient prophecies foretold before, the Europeans came, the re-Indianing of America is occurring directly before our eyes. The beauty of Euro-Americans not seeing Mexicans as Indians is that the re-Indianing of American is being done in stealth mode. The Whites shamed us into not acknowledging and forgetting who we were and in the process they also forgot. Now they don’t see that Indians are re-taking America. I walked through Wal-mart with a big smile on my face knowing that THE INDIANS ARE BACK!!!! They’re Home.
When Thomas Jefferson publicly advocated for the mixing of the Indians and Whites to form one race, I don’t think he had in mind that race being brown. Well sorry Thomas you lost!! When 90% of the country is Brown within the next 100 years, culturally, economically, and racially what will BIA recognition mean? Maybe then we will see cards for white people.
I was fortunate to spend my childhood in the West (Montana), and have lived in the Midwest for the past 25 years. Not that prejudices are not alive in the North, it is just not as common. I am not personally familar with life in the South, but have done some reading. I am taking African-American History as a summer class through North Carolina A&T University. Family on my father’s side lived in the Cumberland Penninsula (Virginia) and it was common for them to travel in and out of the surrounding states in search of food and to avoid persecution; they too lived in clans/tribes. It looks like Walter Plecker was one of the persecutors; some of our family surnames were on his watch list. Below is one of his letters:
The following is a transcribed copy of a 1943 official bulletin from Dr. Plecker to Virginia county officials which includes a watchlist of surnames.
Commonwealth of Virginia
Department of Health
Bureau of Vital Statistics Richmond
January 1943
Local Registrar, Physicians Health Officers, Nurses, School Superintendents and Clerks of the Courts
Dear Co-workers:
Our December 1942 letter to local registrars, also mailed to the clerks, set forth the determined effort to escape from the negro race of groups of “free issues;” or descendants of the “free mulattoes” of early days, so listed prior to 1865 in the United State census and various types of State records, as distinguished from slave negroes.
Now that these people are playing up the advantage gained by being permitted to give “Indian” as the race of the child’s parents on birth certificates, we see the great mistake made in not stopping earlier the organized propagation of the racial falsehood. They have been using the advantage thus gained as an aid to intermarriage into the white race and to attend white schools, and now for some time, they have been refusing to register with war draft boards as negroes from Caroline County were sentenced to prison on January 12 in the United States Court at Richmond for refusing to obey the draft law unless permitted to classify themselves as “Indians.”
Some of these mongrels, finding that they have been able to sneak in their birth certificates unchallenged as Indians are now making a rush to registrar as white. Upon investigation we find that a few local registrars have been permitting such certificates to pass through their hands unquestioned and without warning our office of the fraud. Those attempting this fraud should be warned that they are liable to a penalty of one year in the penitentiary (Section 5099 of the Code). Several clerks have likewise been actually granting them license to marry whites, or at least to marry amongst themselves as Indian or white. The danger of this error always confronts the clerk who does not inquire carefully as to the residence of the woman when he does not have positive information. The law is explicit that the license be issued by the clerk of the county or city in which the woman resides.
To aid all of you in determing just which are the mixed families, we have made a list of their surnames by counties and cities, as complete as possible at this time. This list should be preserved by all, even by those counties and cities not included, as these people are moving around over the State and changing race at the new place. A family has just been investigated which was always recorded as negro around Glade Springs, Washington County, but which changed to white and married as such in Roanoke County. This is going on constantly and can be prevented only by care on the part of local registrars, clerks, doctors, health workers, and school authorities.
Please report all know or suspicious cased to the Bureau of Vital Statistics, giving names, ages, parents, and as much other information as possible. All certificates of these people showing “Indian” or “White” are now being rejected and returned to the physician or midwife, but local registrars hereafter must not permit them to pass their hands uncorrected or unchallenged and without a note of warning to us. One hundred and fifty thousand other mulattoes in Virginia are watching eagerly the attempt of their pseudo-Indian brethren, ready to follow in a rush when the fist have made a break in the dike.
Very truly yours,
(signature)
W. A. Plecker, M.D. State Registrar of Vital Statistics
(attached to the above letter is the list of surnames by county as follows)
Albemarle:
Moon, Powel, Pumphrey
Amherst:
(Migrants to Allegheney and Campbell) Adcock (Adcox), Beverly (this family is now trying to evade the situation by adopting the name of Burch or Birch, which was the name of the white mother of the present adult generation), Branham, Duff, Floyd, Hamilton, Hartless, Hicks, Johns, Lawless, Nukles (Knuckles), Painter, Ramsey, Redcross, Roberts, Southwards (Suthards, Southerds, Southers). Sorrells, Terry, Tyree, Willis, Clark, Wood
Bedford:
McVey, Maxey, Branham, Burley (see Amherst)
Rockbridge:
(migrants to Augusta), Cash, Clark, Coleman, Duff, Floyd, Hartless, Hicks, Mason, Mayse(Mays), Painters, Pults, Ramsey, Southerds (see Amherst), Sorrell, Terry, Tyree, Wood, Johns
Charles City:
Collins, Dennis, Bradby, Howell, Langston, Stewart, Wynn, Custalow(Custaloo), Dungoe, Holmes, Miles, Page, Allmond, Adams, Hawkes, Spurlock, Doggett
King William:
Collins, Dennis, Bradby, Howell, Lanston, Stewart, Wynn, Custalow(Custaloo), Dungoe, Bolnus, Miles, Page, Allmond, Adams, Hawkes, Spurlock, Doggett
New Kent:
Collins, Bradby, Stewart, Wynn Adkins, Langston
Henrico and Richond City:
(see Charles City, New Kent, and King William)
Caroline:
Byrd, Fortune, Nelson (see Essex)
Essen and King and Queen:
Nelson, Fortune, Byrd, Cooper, Tate, Hammond, Brooks, Boughton, Prince, Mitchell, Robinson
Elizabeth City and Newport News:
Stewart (descendants of Charles City families)
Halifax:
Epps (Eppes), Stewart (Stuart), Coleman, Johnson, Martin, Talley, Sheppard (Shepard), Young
Norfolk County and Portsmouth:
Sawyer, Bass, Weaver, Locklear (Locklair), King, Bright, Porter
Westmoreland:
Sorrells, Worlds (Worrell), Atwells, Butridge, Okiff
Greene:
Shifflett, Shiflet
Prince William:
Tyson, Segar (see Fauquier)
Fauquier:
Hoffman (Huffman), Riley, Colvin, Phillips, (see Prince William)
Lancaster:
Dorsey (Dawson)
Washington:
Beverly, Barlow, Thomas, Hughes, Lethcoe, Worley
Roanoke County:
Beverly (see Washington)
Lee and Smyth:
Collins, Gibson (Gipson), Moore, Boins, Ramsey, Delph, Bunch, Freeman, Mise, Bolden (Bolin), Mullins, Hawkins – Chiefly Tennessee “Melungeons”
Scott:
Dingus (see Lee)
Russell:
Keith, Castell, Stillwell, Meade, Proffitt (see Lee and Tazewell)
Tazewell:
Hammed, Duncan, (see Russell)
Wise:
(see Lee, Scott, Smyth, and Russell Counties)
End of document
This is true and also, this is why my family tried to stay as low key’d as possible in order to avoid trouble from the law or “others”!! This is why my family’s names are not on a list such as this.
Can anyone be ‘certain’ as to who torched the courthouse full of “Those Records” when the perfect opportunity during a war arose?? 🙂
I would have thought of it.
Lot’s of courthouses were burned but many of those were not in a ‘line of march’ .
Think about it.
Can anyone tell me from what county the Ray’s might have been from, also the Clevinger(Cleavenger’s) ? This paart of my family, as is the Maynard’s Lee’s Scott’s, and Gibson’s. Thanks Cathy Rowland
Hello … I am new to the forum. Hope someone out there can help.
My grandfather said he was Creek/Blackfoot from Oconee? I am searching for his ‘roots’. All I know is: His name was Sylvester Davis … born in Ms. 1855. Mother and father unknown but also born in Ms. (I got the info from his death record.) He married Eleanor Jackson … my grandmother … born 1870 in Greenwood, MS. Her mother was Charlotte Jackson, born 1826 in TN. on the Andrew Jackson plantation. Her mother was Hannah Jackson, housekeeper to Pres. Jackson … mentioned in historical writing about him. I give all this information in hopes that anyone who might have information on Sylvester Davis would also know some of the other tidbits, thereby confirming the person is one in the same. Thanks.
Tom wrote: In Canada we try to legislate culture in the USA they try to legislate race, when it’s our turn I’d like to bury all the “slates”.
when they first came here, they were jealous because indian were doing better. they wanted to be better yet. but never stopped to think of what was happening.now it to late to change the ways for the better again.:(
Bill Childs wrote: Can anyone be ‘certain’ as to who torched the courthouse full of “Those Records” when the perfect opportunity during a war arose?? 🙂
I would have thought of it.
Lot’s of courthouses were burned but many of those were not in a ‘line of march’ .
Think about it.
Many courthouses were burned but some records exist that were normally kept in those courthouses.
Felicia Cegelski wrote: This is true and also, this is why my family tried to stay as low key’d as possible in order to avoid trouble from the law or “others”!! This is why my family’s names are not on a list such as this.
Felicia you are so correct about families staying low key. My family left the area of South Hill, Va and tried to re-identify themselves in an attempt to stay under the radar by moving to the Hampton Roads area. Barry is also correct in his statement about southeastern, Va. You are either Black or White. That’s it. I can relate to Barry’s sense of standing out there. I was not black enough for the blacks but too dark for the whites. I was harassed at school by both groups due to the appearance of my family, especially my mom. We were always accused of being middle eastern foreigners. It took my mom years before she and my dad would share stories of who they were and what they experienced. It took years before my mom would speak of the chief who was secretly buried in the mountains to prevent the U.S. from desecrating his grave. Her refusal to give me his name or his location because the fear was still there that it had to die with her and those who did know. It took years before she would tell stories about her own mother. Stories of relatives passing for white and the others deliberately mixing with blacks. My dads stories of walking to the reservation to visit his grandmother as an 8 & 9year old. My mom always wanted to go back “home” to South Hill where she as a child, her grandparents, parents and some aunts and uncles left in an attempt to stay under the radar.
White Hawk wrote: BIA = Bury Indian Ancestry
Never thought of it this way….will remember and pass it on as much as possible.
Jade
I learned that here in WV, it was illegal to indicate that a person was Indian in WV from 1863 (when we became a State) until 1965…102 years. You could not own land either. So, needless to say, when people are trying to search for their Indian ancestors in WV, there are none on the census. WV has claimed for a long time that this area was only used by Indians for hunting…there is evidence that we lived here.
Actually, they are in the census. Not many, but there are consistently families and individuals listed as Indian in pretty much all the WV censuses. Local draft boards also classified some WV residents as Indian in WWI; again, not many but a few here and there.
Now certainly there may have been a reluctance on the part of many local officials to classify mixed people as Indian, and in other instances the people themselves may have preferred a status other than Indian, but I would be surprised to see actual legislation prohibiting listing persons as Indian.
Interestingly, none of these seem to have been part of actual communities; just scattered families and individuals. I can provide some examples if anyone is interested.
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