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Everyone,
You must order NATF Forn 83 for each file that you request.
Write a letter to request forms to: (as many as you need)
Old Military and Civil Records (NWCTB)
Textual Archives Services Division
National Archives and Records Administration
700 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20408-0001
After you receive your forms the instructions will be attached. Each file/request is $17.50.
You can also go here
http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/native-americans-guion-miller.html
to find your names and the roll #’s
Good Luck,
Valerie
Thank you for the detailed instructions.
What did you find out about your Anderson Cole Eastern Cherokee Application?
I am having a problem uploading the Anderson Cole files. It seems that my files are to large. Can someone tell me what to do. It is to much to retype.
Thanks
Val
I think you could right click the file on your computer & check the file size. If it’s under 100 KB (anything MB would be over). You could copy and paste in Word and break the file into smaller ones if it’s more than 100 KB. I think it might work to:
click “manage attachments” at the bottom of the post page, then
click “browse” button to the right of “Upload Files From Your Computer”
go through and find it as it comes up, then
click “Upload” and watch the middle message box to see when it is done.
It doesn’t show up under Preview Post but does when you click Submit Reply.
Wachinika wrote: These are such popular names it could affect many people here and serve as an educational tool for others. If you have time I’d like to know the process you followed to receive your information.:)
Dianne
Hello Dianne….I too have sent away to recieve numerous ECA’s and other documents via NARA…it is relatively easy to do but time is of the essence as it appears that they will very soon be increasing their prices for all of their documents. You can DL the forms from online or call or snail mail them to order the proper forms…the form to recieve an Eastern Cherokee Application is called the NATF Form 83…the fee I paid for each was $17.50 and you must have the person’s name/s and their ECA number…you can email NARA to recieve copies of the form by emailing them at: inquire@nara.gov or you can snail mail them at: Old Military and Civil Records (NWCTB) , Textual Archives Division, National Archives and Records Administration, 700 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, D.C. 20408-0001. You DO NOT send payment with the form once you recieve it, fill it out and mail it…they have a link where you can check on the status of your order and once they retrieve or locate the form, they will contact you for payment. Same goes for obtainign copies of old Civil War pension files and records…and the price for the entire file for war service is expected to go WAY up…from currently $37.00 for a full pension and land warrant and service file to an expected $125.00 EACH! The form for obtaining military files is form NATF 85. I highly recommend ordering any you wish to have NOW. On average it takes about 60 days to recieve a ECA once they recieve your request…for a full military pensioner’s file it takes a bit longer…about 120 days but varies depending on the number of requests they have. I just recently myself ordered 3 more full pensioner’s files and 5 ECA’s…and am awaiting recieving those. DO check with others in yoru lines to discern who has ordered what…I’d hate to see anyoen order a duplicate if someone else already has it. As an FYI…the ECA’s I ordered are for the following maternal ancestors of mine:
1. Eliza (Bowman) Cole
2. Logan Nichols
3. Nancy Jane (Gibson) Nichols
4. Louisa (Gibson) Perkins
5. Flora (Gibson) Nichols
The soldier’s files I sent away for are from my paternal lines and are for:
1. Elijah Beeman
2. Harvey Whitacre
3. George Washington Sellars.
I already have copies of the following ECA’s:
1. Newton Pee Nichols
2. Hayden Nichols
3. Dicey Nichols
4. Savory Joe “Jo” Nichols
5. Lawson “Los” Nichols
6. Sherman Nichols
I also have some transcriptions of a few other ECA’s that don’t coem to mind of the top of my head at the moment…feel free to email me your “short” list if you wish to inquire/order…I’ll gladly post if I am aware of anyone else having a copy of it on any of the Myfamily.com sites I belong to.
Take great care…hope to learn more soon…and by all means, post what YOU have by way of applications etc…there is NO sense in others paying for data that someone else already has in their possession. Blessings~~~Laurie
Mystic1231 wrote: I am having a problem uploading the Anderson Cole files. It seems that my files are to large. Can someone tell me what to do. It is to much to retype.
Thanks
Val
Hey Val…do let me know if you cannot copy and paste the file here…I have a copy of a transcription of Anderson’s ECA that I can post. Wish I knew you were ordering it…althought, it is oft times right nice to have the actual paper file with signatures and fingerprints on it as well. Take care~~~Laurie
I just checked my files at MY site at Myfamily.com and noted that I also have either a transcription copy or teh actual ECA;s for these additional ancestors:
1. Kizziah Gibson
2. Ruben Mullins
3. Nancy Elizabeth Gibson
4. Polly Ann Nichols
5. Candy Nichols
Blessings~~~Laurie
Hello everyone….to reply to Dianne’s Q fisrt: ECA = Eastern Cherokee Application. *grin* sorry girl for the lingo tossing.
Also have the following ECA’s or transcriptions in my files:
1. Jahazy/a Cole
2. Shepherd Cole
3. Wallis Cole
4. Alonzo Cole (and minor CH)
5. Jesse Cole (and minor CH)
6. Chester A. Cole
7. Elbert Cole
The remaining one’s I have are deep in my FTM files so that will take some serious hunting to locate and list them all here. I’ll gladly take a peek for anyone if you share my ancestral tree/names…just message me here or email me. If any seem particularly pertinent to this forum I can post then or send a shared file…those that are actual scanned copies from the originals are largish files…the transcriptions are nice but take up less space and not all have been transcribed by myself or others who shared them with me/my family. I’d greatly appreciate it if anyone else who comes here and has other ECA’s, if they too coudl list those that they have in their possession so that duplications do not occur….at (now price) of $17.50 each…it can get to be very costly. Blessings~~~Laurie
BlondeyeLaurie wrote: Hey Val…do let me know if you cannot copy and paste the file here…I have a copy of a transcription of Anderson’s ECA that I can post. Wish I knew you were ordering it…althought, it is oft times right nice to have the actual paper file with signatures and fingerprints on it as well. Take care~~~Laurie
Thanks Laurie
I can not get mine to work. Please post what you have. Also post Sheperd Cole. Also I was wondering if anyone knows about a uncle of Anderson Cole
named Ezekiel Cole?
Val
Here is a copy of a transcription for the Eastern Cherokee Application submitted by Anderson Cole:
” Recieved Aug, 1 1907
1. English Name: Anderson Cole
2. Town and post office: Ivyton
3. County: Magoffin
4. State: Kentucky
5. Date and place of Birth: Knox County, Ky Apr 25 1833
6. By what right do you claim to share? If you claim through more than one relative living in 1851, set forth each claim separately? Through my Father Jack Cole and my myself .
7. Are you married? yes
8. Name and age of wife or husband: Elizabeth Antrobus born in 1848, years old 57 when she died.
9. Give names of your father and mother, and your mother’s name before marriage.
Father
English name: Jack Cole
Indian name: Cherokee
Mother
English name: Peggy Higgins
Indian name: Cherokee
Maiden name: Peggy Higgins
10. Where were they born?
Father: Buncomb Co, North Carolina
Mother: Richmond Virginia
11. Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time?
Father: Lee co Virginia
Mother: Richmond Virginia
12. Date of death of your father and mother?
Father: Mch 7th 1864
Mother: don’t know
13. Were they ever enrolled for annuities, land, or other benefits? No
14. Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and if not living , the date of death:
i. Mary E. Cole
ii. Emanuel Cole
iii. Alvira Cole
iv. John Cole
v. Harrison Cole
vi. Elizabeth Cole Born Oct 1838
vii. Thomas J. Cole 1831
15. Sate English and Indian names of your grandparents on both father’s and mother’s side, if possible:
My grandfather was John C. Cole, my grandmother was Cuzzie Cole.
16. Where were they born? North Carolina
17. Where did they reside in 1851, if living at the time? Don’t know.
18. Give names of all their children and residence, if living ; if not living, give dates of deaths:
Luana Cole, Ezekiel Cole, Jack Cole, Charles Cole, Wm Cole, Wils Cole date of Deaths all unknown to me Except Jack Cole died Mac 7th 1864
Sir:
I hereby make application for such share as may be due my minor children of the fund appropiated by Act of Congress approved June 30, 1906, in accordance with the decree of the Court of Claims of May 18, 1905, and May 28, 1906, in favor of the Eastern Cherokees, and I ask that this be made part of my original application No. 31697
1. State your full name: Anderson Cole
2. Residence and post office: Ivyton
3. County: Magoffin
4. State: Kentucky
5. Date and place of birth: born April 25th 1833 Knox Co., Ky
6. Are you married: yes
7. Name and age of wife or husband: wife dead.
8. To what tribe of Indians, if any, does he or she belong: Cherokee
9. Names of all your children who were living on May 28, 1906:
1. W. J. Cole, age 18, 1889 May 30
10. Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benefits? If so, state when and where, and with what tribe of Indians: No
Remarks: signed Anderson Cole
16 Aug 1907
D B Galyer
My commission expires Mch 2, 1908
Affidavit
Personally appeard before me J. F. Atkeson and Augustus Arnett who, being duly sworn, on oath depose and say they were well acquaninted with Anderson Cole who makes the foregoing application and statement, and have known him for years and years, respectively, and know him to be the identical person he represents himself to be, and that the statements made by him are true, and they have no interest, whatever in this clain.
Signatures of Witnesses
J. F. Atkeson
Augustus Arnett
29th day of July 1907
Notary Public B W Higgins
Commision expires Mch 14th 1908
Affidavit:
Personally appeared before me J. W. Cole and Harrison Cole who, being duly sworn, on oath depose and say that they are well acquainted with Anderson Cole who makes the foregoing application and statement, and have known him for 30 years and 35 years, respectively, and know him to be the identical person he represents himself to be, and that on May 28, 1906, he had the children living as above set forth, and that the statements made by him are true, and they have no interest whatever in this claim.
signatures of Witnesses,
J W Cole
Harrison Cole
16th Aug 1907
Anderson Cole, being duly sworn and examind, deposes says:
My name is Anderson Cole: I was born in Know Co., Ky in 1833: I claim my Indian blood thru my father. I make no claim thru my mother: she was of dutch and French Descent: my father was born in N.C. in 1827; my father died in 1862. I think it was in Buncombe C. in 1787: my father died in 1862. My father claimed his Cherokee Indian blood thru both his father and mother; I think my grandmother’s maiden name was Cuzzie Anderson. I never saw the grandparents thru whom I claim: My grandmother thru whom I claim died before I was born so I have been told. I don’t know when my grandfather died. He died in Lawrence Co. Ky,.
I am unable to trace my Cherokee ancestry back farther than my grandparents.
I have an older sister who if living at the present time would be over a hundred years old. She was born in Lee Co. Va.
In 1835 I think my grandfather lived in Lawrence Co. Ky. my grandfather came to Kentucky from Tenn before I was born.
In 1835 I think my father and I lived in Lee Co, Va. In 1851 I think my grandfather was dead. In 1851 my father and I lived in Lee Co. Va.
I heard that my father and I lived with the Cherokees as members of the tribe. At the time of my birth 1855 neither my father or grandfather lived with the Cherokees.
None of the Ancestors thru whom I claim were ever held in bondage. None of the ancestors thru whom I claim were ever enrolled. none ever received any money or land as an Indian. None of my relatives ever went to the Indian Territory and received land there as an Indian.
Each of the grandparents thru whom I claim were three quarter Cherokee. My father was always a voter. I have always been regarded in the community in which I lived as being of Cherokee and white parentage.
signed Anderson Cole
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*Note: transcription generously provided to me by cousin Irene Cole and was apparently transcribed by another Cole cousin. My tree reflects that Anderson also went by the name of William Anderson Cole. Furthermore, I wonder about his maternity…as his siblings, Chaney (born 1832) and Mariah (born 1816) also filed (or had children file) an ECA and their mother was Katy nee Gibson.
Blessings~~~Laurie
Here is a copy of my transcription of the Eastern Cherokee Application for Shepherd Cole. Take care~~~Laurie
” Recieved Feb. 1, 1907
1. English Name: Shepherd Cole
2. Indian Name: Cherokee
3. Residence: Gullett, Ky
4. Town and post office: Gullett
5. County: Magoffin
6. State: Kentucky
7. Date and place of Birth: Floyd County, Ky Feb. 24, 1849
8. By what right do you claim to share? If you claim through more than one relative living in 1851, set forth each claim separately?
I claim through my Father Charles Cole and my Mother Charlotte Cole also myself Sheperd Cole
9. Are you married? yes, twice 1st wife Nancy J Cole born. Sept. 10, 1851 Sy and died Dec. 6, 1905
10. Name and age of wife or husband: Deemas Patrick born Jan. 6, 1870 last wife
11. Give names of your father and mother, and your mother’s name before marriage.
Father
English name: Charles Cole died July 14, 1878
Indian name: Cherokee
Mother
English name: Charlotte Cole died Oct 23, 1898
Indian name: Cherokee
Maiden name: Charlotte Cole
12. Where were they born?
Father: Lee County, Va
Mother: Kentucky
Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time?
Father: On Licking River in Floyd, Co. Ky
Mother: On Licking River in Floyd, Co. Ky
13. Date of death of your father and mother?
Father: July 14, 1878
Mother: Oct. 23, 1898
14. Were they ever enrolled for annuities, land, or other benefits? No
15. Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and if not living , the date of death:
i. Wallis Cole B. July 14, 1847
ii. Sheperd Cole b. Feb. 24, 1849
iii. Apperson Cole b. Mar. 10, 1851, d. July 1901
iv. Nancy Jane Cole b. Jan 13, 1853
v. Meredith Cole b. Apr. 25, 1855, d. Apr 24, 1881
vi. Page Cole b. Dec. 31, 1857
vii. Cam Cole b. July 22, 1862, d. unknown
16. Sate English and Indian names of your grandparents on both father’s and mother’s side, if possible:
Wm Campbel was my Father’s Father Louana Cole was my Father’s mother. William Cole was my mother’s Father. Biddy Collins was my Mother’s Mother.
17. Where were they born? unknown
18. Where did they reside in 1851, if living at the time? Louana Cole lived in Tenn. in 1851 and Wm Cole lived in Floyd Co., Ky in 1851.
19. Give names of all their children and residence, if living ; if not living, give dates of deaths:
Louana Coles brothers and sisters: English name: John Cole, Charles Cole, Nancy Cole, Margret Cole, Polly Cole. All dead date of death unknown except Nancy died Dec. 16, 1906.
Wm Cole borhter and sisters”
English name: Kizziah Cole, Tiney Cole, Oma Cole, Mima Cole, George Cole, Charlotte Cole, John Cole, Sookey Cole and Hiram Cole.
Sir:
I hereby make application for such share as may be due my minor children of the fund appropiated by Act of Congress approved June 30, 1906, in accordance with the decree of the Court of Claims of May 18, 1905, and May 28, 1906, in favor of the Eastern Cherokees, and I ask that this be made part of my original application No. 31697
1. State your full name: Shepherd Cole
2. Residence and post office: Gullett, Magoffin Co., Ky
3. County: Magoffin
4. State: Kentucky
5. Date and place of birth: born Feb. 24, 1849 in Floyd Co., Ky
6. Are you married: yes, Twice
7. Name and age of wife or husband: 1st wife Nancy J. Cole b. Sept. 10, 1850
8. To what tribe of Indians, if any, does he or she belong: Cherokee
9. Names of all your children who were living on May 28, 1906:
i. Lois E. Cole, age 36, b. Sept 19, 1870 married G W Maddox 22 Dec 1887
ii. John Morgan Cole, age 25, b. Oct 23, 1881 marroed Emily Gullett 5 mar 1903
iii. Melsena(?) Cole, age 13, b. June 20, 1894
10. Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benefits? If so, state when and where, and with what tribe of Indians: No
Remarks:
I was married the 2nd time to Deemas Patrick Mch 1st. 1906. My Great Grand Father John Cole moved from North Carolina to Tennesse about 20 years ago or more. My grandfather William Cole came to Ky from Tenn about 100 years ago before 1830.
Affidavit
Personally appeard before me James M. Collins and Charles d Minix who, being duly sworn, on oath depose and say they were well acquaninted with Shepard Cole who makes the foregoing application and statement, and have known him for 33 years and 16 years, respectively, and know him to be the identical person he represents himself to be, and that in May 28, 1906, he had the children living as the above set forth, and that the statements made by him are true, and they have no interest, whatever in this claim.
Signatures of Witnesses
James M. Collins
Charles Minix
15th day of July 1907
Notary Public E. M. Howard
Commision expires Jan 17th 1910
Affidavit:
Personally swear that the foregoing statements made by me are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.
Shepherd Cole
29th Jan 1907
commision expires Mch 13th 1908 B. W. Higgins N.P. W.C
Witnesses: Nelson Salyer known 55 years and Whitaker known 25 years.
Shepherd Cole, being duly sworn and examind, deposes says:
My name is Shepherd Cole: I was born in Floyd Co., Ky in 1849: I claim my Cherokee Indian blood thru both my father and mother: my father was born in Lee Co., Va. in 1827; my mother was born in Kentucky, I don’t know the county. in 1826: my father got his Cherokee blood thru his mother : my father’s mothers maiden name was Luana Cole: my father was illegitimate child and took the name of his mother: I have been told by my grandmother that she was born in Tenn or N.C. I don’t know county. I do not know the year in which she was born; Luana Cole got her Indian blood thru both her father and mother: Her fathers name was John Cole: I don’t remember her mothers name. I’ve heard from my grandmother that my great grandparents as members of the Cherokee tribe in N. C. I do not know when they lived with them or in what County of N. C. I do not know when my great grandpartnets died.
My mother claimed her Indian blood thru her father who was a brother of Luana Cole, my grandmother.
In 1835 my father lived in Lee Co., Va and my mother lived Ky. In 1851 I and my parents lived in Floyd Co. Ky. None of my ancestors were ever enrolled that I know of: none ever recieved any Indian money or land as an Indian: none of the ancestors thru whom I claim were ever held in bondage.: none of the ancestors thru whom I claim ever had a Indian name that I know of:
My grandfather thru whom I claim was a three fourth Cherokee. My grandmother Luana Cole was also a 3-4 Cherokee. All my ancestors have always been regarded as Cherokee Indian and English descent.
My mothers father moved from Tenn. to Ky before 1835.
Signed Shepherd Cole
#42247 Easter Bailey is the great grand daughter of Luana Cole;
#41518 Fielden Collins is my second cousin. His grandfather Tiny Cole is the brother to my mother.
#39993 Dorcus Nickles gardndmother Sucky Nickles was my mothers sister
#34765 Newton Cole is my first cousin. His grandfather’s name was William Cole. “
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I know you knew before requesting the records, were they accepted or denied? I’ve seen where they give the reason for denial.
Thank you for sharing, Laurie and Mystic.
Dianne…it has been my experience thus far that all of the claims were denied…the vast majority due to a “reason code” such as/similar to the following example from Sherman Nichols’ ECA which was rejected and states: “Cousin of #16346 and claims through same ancestor”. Jo Nichols’ ECA has the exact same rejection comment as does Hayden Nichols’ and Dicey Nichols’ and too Newton P. Nichols’. It is my understanding that if ANYONE else from that same line/family applied before them then they would be met with rejection from the court of claims office….which strikes me as bogus and unsettling but who am I to say how things should have worked back then?! I personally have not seen an applications rejected because a person was deemed NON Native American but I hear tell it has happened before…I have also heard of other’s beign rejected because they were not members of the exact tribe that they reportedly were a part of…meaning that perhaps they were not Cherokee but soem other tribe such as Creek or such. Perhaps someone else on board can better answer to the exactitudes of rejection reasons etc…thsu far I have only seen the “cousindry” rejections for those in my lines. Hope this answered your Q’s…LOL. Take care~~~Laurie
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