- This topic has 8 voices and 19 replies.
-
Posts
-
Crystal,
🙂 This is pretty interesting. I think I see where you’re going with it. At any rate it sounds like a fun bit of research. As far as maps go, I would check the old dusty section of libraries for books with old maps in them. They generally don’t let you take the book, but they may let you make photo copies. In Colorado, the Geological Survey maps sometimes have a slew of interesting details. I call their office at the federal Center and tell them what areas I’m looking for and they check to see if they have anything. If they do, I give em’ a credit card number and they send me the maps. BLM maps are pretty good too. If you don’t have a credit card you would want to use over the phone like that, you can go into their office and purchase them that way. On the Indiana Historical site I found a really old map that was in such good shape I nicked it and have it on my computer. It has where all the encampments were and all sorts of stuff. I’ve pinned down a lot of trails in Colorado, doing this very thing you’re talking about. It is really interesting to see with historical data and maps exactly where these people were/went. I’ve gotten over 600 miles of documented trails, that are still backpacking routes today, and a few of them became roads. So, It’s a hiker’s historical guide I’m working on. Good luck with this. It can be a lot of fun. Love & Light, Lynella. 😉
Is Fort Henry and Fort Wood the same place? Where is it/are they located. You also mention Fort Hood. Where is it located?
this is very interesting. thanks
vance
In searching through Dinwiddie info on the internet, I came across the Sapony Church that you listed…
The Sapony Church is listed on the National Register of Historic Places for Dinwiddie County. On the website (http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/VA/Dinwiddie/state.html) it states:
Sappony Church ** (added 1976 – Building – #76002101)
Also known as Sapony Church;Sappony Episcopal Church
S of Sappony Creek off VA 692, McKenny
Historic Significance: Architecture/Engineering, Person
Architect, builder, or engineer: Unknown
Architectural Style: No Style Listed
Historic Person: Jarratt,Devereux
Significant Year: 1726, 1725
Area of Significance: Religion
Period of Significance: 1700-1749
Owner: Private
Historic Function: Religion
Historic Sub-function: Religious Structure
Current Function: Religion
Current Sub-function: Religious Structure
There is also a picture of the church and a listing of the burials (as well as pictures of the headstones) at: http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/VA/Dinwiddie/state.html
The surnames of those listed as buried there are: Taylor, Jones, King, Fleming/Wells, Simmons, Hooper, Regen, Pierce, Lewis, and Wells.
It is on Sapony Church Road. This website also says it has a Latitude of 365816N and a Longitude of 0773810W. I plotted it on mapquest and it looks to be the same distance from Purdy as what Emporia is. It is little east of US85 (and McKenney), a little north of 40, and a few miles south of Hamilton.
Stacey
This post is very intriguing. Was a name ever given for the “other” (westward) path you mentioned above?
In yesterday’s mail, I received a copy of a 1940 newspaper clipping in which my great-great-granduncle, James Jones, was being interviewed. One paragraph states: The veteran was born in Greene county March 1, 1848, one of the 11 children of Harvey and Martha Rosser Jones. His parents were natives of Dinwiddie county, Va., and a number of relatives fought in the Civil war on the southern side against Mr. Jones and his two brothers, John and Benjamin.
This leads me to believe that there were still relatives that they knew about living in Southside Virginia (which I did not know).
My great-great-granduncle John Jones’ military papers give two birthyears (1837 and 1838) and three locations. Some papers say Petersburg (Dinwiddie Co.) and others say Greensville County, but one said Roanoke County. If I remember right, Roanoke County wasn’t formed until 1838. Now I don’t know if he truly meant Roanoke County, or maybe along the Roanoke River in one of the other two counties. The son that was born next was William. According to his death record, he was born 1838 in Parkersburg, (West) Virginia. According to census records, he was born anywhere from 1839 – 1848. I know he was born in Virginia, so it had to be before 1841 because that is when they showed up in Ohio.
Maybe somewhere in this confusion, they are trying to tell me the migration path that was used from Greensville County, Virginia to Greene County, Ohio via the westward path you mentioned?
Bef. ca. 1837 – Dinwiddie and/or Greensville County
ca. 1838 – Roanoke County
ca. 1839 – 1840 – Parkersburg, Wood County, (West) Virginia
ca. 1841 – Greene County, Ohio
Stacey
Hey you guys!:) This is way cool! I still have so much to learn about that entire area. I am really finding this very interesting. Thank you so much for posting all this. Love & Light, Lynella.
Stacey,
If you aren’t too wrapped up in your genealogy, maybe you could get a quick rundown of the early land patents and deeds for Dinwiddie as well as Amelia Co’s that we could compare with. If you can. Thanks
Hello Crystal.
Found this site and thought you guys might be interested. It has a great picture of a Tutero hut and tells some of the early histroy. WOODS is a name in my line. Eli TAYLOR ( remember the Taylor line we connect to) was married to Margaret WOODS. I have not been able to find her parentage.
http://www.explorepark.org/Historic_Areas/olhm_main.htm
One of these expeditions, believed to have traveled through the present-day Roanoke Valley, was the journey of Thomas Batts and Robert Fallows. Accompanied by Thomas Woods, Jack Weason, Penecute (their Apomatack guide), and several Apomatack Indians, they left Fort Henry on September 1, 1671 “for the finding out the ebbing and flowing of the Waters on the other side of the Mountaines in order to the discovery of the South Sea … .†Robert Fallows wrote these words in his travel journal. Heading west from the Okenechee Path, the party crossed the piedmont and entered the western mountains.
On this day, 332 years ago, Robert Fallows made this entry into his journal:
“Sept. 9. We were stirring with the sun and travelled west and after a little riding came again to the Sapony River where it was very narrow, and ascended the second mountain which wound up west and by south with several springs and fallings, after which we came to a steep descent at the foot whereof was a lovely descending valley about six miles over with curious small risings. Our course over it was southwest. After we were over that we came to a very steep descent, at the foot whereof stood the Tetera Town in a very rich swamp between a branch and the main river of Roanoake circled about with mountains. We got thither about three of the clock after we had travelled twenty-five miles. Here we were exceedingly civilly entertain’d.â€
Brenda
Brenda,
😉 Thank you so much! That is so awsome. Of coarse I had to look at everyhting. I want to just go back in time and be there! Love & Light, Lynella.
Alright, Brenda beat me to the link. 🙂 I found that one, too. Here is another one that goes into quite a bit of detail. It also gives some footnote details that helped me place them a little bit better. One was the Sapony River, which was actually the Roanoke (Staunton) and also the mention of the Tetera Town was near Salem (and also Roanoke), Virginia. Very interesting!
Here is the link…
http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/battsandfallamjournal.pdf
Before reading this I hadn’t heard of Hanathaskies. According to one website (http://monacanindian.com/powhatan.html), it says “HANATHASKIES was an Indian Town on the Sapony River ( In 1690 the Roanoke/Staunton River was called the Sapony River)“
Crystal, I will try to get to the library this week to see what books I can get through interlibrary loan.
Stacey
I think I know who’s doing the re-created Tutero village, if it’s the same people we’ve been re-enacting the Monacan village at Natural Bridge, in the same vicinity. I’ll have to make a point of going there sometime this year.
Crystal, I’m trying to remember the name of the book and the author. He’s a history professor at the University in Richmond. I think it was something like “Into the Wilderness — Explorations in Virginia.” He has a common, anglo saxon name. Emma knows of him.
He did a fabulous job interpreting the original source accounts and nailing down their locations. I think a search on the words “Norfolk & Southern Railroad” will find a post I did about this book. Anyway, he used modern topographical maps to be able to make sense of what these early explorers were describing. Fascinating work. So, if you can get with him on your question, I’ll bet you’ll get a definitive answer, or at least the info you need on finding that answer yourself.
Okay, here it is:
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=907&highlight=norfolk+southern
The author is Alan Briceland. The book is “Westward from Virginia.” If you search on the faculty directory for University of Virginia in Richmond (what’s the acronym? I keep forgetting) you’ll find his email address. He was very kind in replying.
I might add that a discussion on ministers might be useful. My names turn out to be ministers a lot. Deb and I have a Rev. Richard Sankey, son-in-law to Rev. John Thomson, who would be very interesting to research. The two of them and their descendents end up in very interesting places and connected with families that have known NA relatives, Patrick Henry, David Crockett.
My family seems connected with Presbyterians, Methodists, and Quakers
Techteach
Oops, Crystal, I was skimming postings too quickly and misread your posting on following up the movements of the ministers. My Rev Richard was interesting in that he began in Lancaster, PA where he took over a church begun by his father-in-law, John Thomson. Both are well-known presbyterian ministers. Rev. Richard took part of his congregation south from PA to Prince Edward County in 1759. It is clear that, while Rev Richard was documented as coming from Ireland, his family intermarried with NA. Some members continued to Georgia and Alabama.
On the other hand, Rev Thomson also followed a similar path. After serving Octoara, PA, he went to serve at Rockfish Gap (now) in Nelson County, at Cub Creek in Lunenburg (now Charlotte) at Buffalo and Walkers in Amelia (now Prince Edward) County, and at Hat Creek and Concord in what became Campbell Count. However, he ended up in Mecklenburg County, NC in 1751. Others of his family end up in an area of Tennessee that Bill sent me information on.
Anyway, these two ministers seem worth looking into, although I have looked at what I can find online. My Richard Sinkey appears in that area of PA at about the time when Richard Sankey moves to Buffalo, VA in Prince Edward County with many members of his congregation. My Richard lives among folks with names familiar to this forum: Rickets, McCarty and others. Rev. Richard’s movements and connections make him worth looking at. I have come to think that they are not likely related except perhaps in name borrowing, but who knows? Rev. Richard Sankey and Rev. John Thomson both were known to have preached in “the frontier.” They might be worth adding to your list.
Techteach
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
