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Sounds great Crystal. Thre is a lot of information right now on traders, but it is scattered a little here and a little there. Putting it all together in one place might very well be helpful.
Brenda, I too have “Wood/Woods” ancestor’s.
Techteach, I like the religion aspect also. If it were not for Methodist records and researching them, I’d have never found that photograph of a cousin (Rev Jonathan Wayland, 1813-1884) to a direct ancestor of mine. If church records exist, why not utilize them?
vance
This link shows a map of the Batts and Fallam/Fallows route. It’s kind of small print though. It is at: http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/eta.htm , just scroll down a little bit (after the Preface). It shows Fort Henry on it as well as the Sapony Town and the Totero Town.
Stacey
Thank you for that link to that map. However it doesn’t “blow up” very well — it is out of focus as a larger image. Fort Henry is near Appamattox which appear just south of Richmond. I used to be a Civil War buff when I was a kid, and I’d thought Appamattox was further west.
Also there is a ?Kanasha? River running through SW part of West Virginia. Near where that river runs into the Ohio is a Shawnee Town. Upstream from there on the Kanasha River is the name of a village I can’t make out. Anyoneknow what this is? Looks like “?”Moneton?” Village (meaning Monacan perhaps?). Can anybody make that out, maybe someone with better eye site than I have? The map dated 1673 or 4 I think.
A couple of observations.
That is waaaay too close to the Shawnee Village unless they were very good allies, or one of them would have wiped out the other. Perhaps the Monacans (if that is who it is talking about) asked for help from an old enemy?
Also they have a “Cherokee Town” in NE Tn. I wonder if maybe thta should be “Euchee/Yuchi? Once Cherokee were further north so that might be right, though.
I don’t think the people who created this map knew Indians might live on one area during the hunting season (usually winter) and another place in the summer (growing season). Maybe they ran into a hunting camp and called it a Village on the map? It is possible these places were temporary homes only, or were called a “Town” but in reality were simply camps where they lived until the game ran out, or their farming lands grew less fertile, and they moved on a few miles in one direction or another.
I don’t know these things for a fact, but it is something to think about when you look at a map and see an Indian Village listed. It probably means they were at that location the year the map maker was there, and maybe 2 or 3 years prior to or 2 or 3 years afterwards only. Maybe they would return a decade or 2 later once the game had returned . . .
thanks
vance
Hi Vance,
Thank you for that link to that map. However it doesn’t “blow up” very well — it is out of focus as a larger image. Fort Henry is near Appamattox which appear just south of Richmond. I used to be a Civil War buff when I was a kid, and I’d thought Appamattox was further west.
From what I have read, Fort Henry is present-day Petersburg. On Columbia’s Encyclopedia’s website (http://www.answers.com/topic/petersburg-virginia), it says this about Petersburg…Petersburg, city (1990 pop. 38,386), politically independent and in no county, SE Va., on the Appomattox River; inc. 1850. A port of entry and an important tobacco market…Fort Henry was built there in 1646 on the site of a Native American village. A trading post was then established, and in 1784 three villages—Petersburg, Blandford, and Pocahontas—were combined as Petersburg town….
I assumed the Appomattox listed on the map is the “Apomatacks town” that Batts and Fallam left from mentioned here (http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/battsandfallamjournal.pdf).
Originally posted by vance hawkins
Also there is a ?Kanasha? River running through SW part of West Virginia. Near where that river runs into the Ohio is a Shawnee Town. Upstream from there on the Kanasha River is the name of a village I can’t make out. Anyoneknow what this is? Looks like “?”Moneton?” Village (meaning Monacan perhaps?). Can anybody make that out, maybe someone with better eye site than I have? The map dated 1673 or 4 I think.
It is Kanawha River and, yep you read it right, it says Moneton Village. The map shows the routes of:
Lederer ?ose, Second Expedition (Conjectural), 1670
Batts and Fallam, 1671
Needham and Arthur (Conjectural), 1673
Gabriel Arthur (Conjectural), 1673 – 4
From an excerpt of Swantan’s Book online (http://www.hiddenhistory.com/PAGE3/SWSTS/wstvrg-1.HTM), it says:
Moneton. Meaning “Big Water” people.
Connections.—The Moneton belonged to the Siouan linguistic family; their nearest connections were probably the Manahoac and Monacan of Virginia and perhaps the Ofo of Ohio and Mississippi.
Location.—Probably on the lower course of Kanawha River.
History.—The Moneton were first mentioned by Thomas Batts in 1671. (See Alvord and Bidgood, 1912.) Three years later they were visited by Gabriel Arthur, an indentured servant of the trader Abraham Wood, and this is the last we hear of them as an independent tribe. They probably united with the Siouan people in the Piedmont region of Virginia.
Population.—Unknown. Arthur calls the principal Moneton settlement “a great town.”
Cherokee (see Tennessee), Conoy (see Maryland), Delaware (see New Jersey), Honniasont and Susquehanna (see Pennsylvania), and Shawnee (see Tennessee) settled in various parts of West Virginia from time to time, but none of them was established there at an early date for an appreciable period except perhaps the Conoy, whose name appears to be perpetuated in that of the Kanawha River. There is no information regarding the Moneton residence there other than the preservation of their name.
Stacey
Hey, this is all so fascinating. Thanks for posting that link Stacey. The map really helps me a lot, being someone from never, never land who has no clue about the far side of the country!
Vance, you’re right, I used Glenn’s reading glasses and it says Moneton. I am so glad you guys have the brains, cause I definately need someobne to point this stuff out to me! Thank you again.;) Lynella.
And these guys are right, this does warrant some special attention, because I am very good at drifting off track, try as I might. It seems inevitable. But I don’t want to miss out on learning all this important stuff either.:p Maybe someone could print a summary once in a while to fill the rest of us in!!!!;) L.
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