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Does anyone know anything about this Black Drink? I found this in a book called The Encyclopedia of Native American Religions.
BLACK DRINK. Black drink is a tea made by boiling the
leaves of the Yaupon Holly in water. Southeastern Indian
groups consumed it for ritual, therapeutic and social purposes.
Identintified as one of the sacred medicines of the Creek
people, it was used in rituals such as the BUSK or GREEN
CORN CEREMONY, to prepare for the deliberation and
debate of council, to cement friendship and social ties and
as a cleansing, purifying emetic. The name of Osceola, the
Seminole chief, is derived from Asi Yohola or “black-drink-
singer.” Other Indications of the tea’s importance include its
daily use and its ritualized serving.
Named black drink by the British for its dark color, the
beverage was called yaupon by Coastal North Carolina
Indians, assi-luputskior assi among the Creeks and cassina
by others. Its scientific name is Ilex Vomitoria Ait, and its
active ingredient is cafeine. After the removal to Indian
Territory, the yaupon leaves became difficult to aquire, and
the rituals associated with it were disrupted. Other “black
drinks” continue to be used.
I just thought this was interesting and wondered if our people used this as well. If so, by what name? If anyone has any more info on this I would love it. Thanks bunches you guys, love & light, Lynella.;)
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Does anyone know anything about a book called, “Migrations of Siouan Tribes” by James Owen Dorsey? I was just curious if there was amnything in there that might aply to us somehow. It would have been published in the 1800’s so. I doubt if I’ll be laying my hands on it anywhere! This Dorsey guy’s B-date is 1849 and his D-date is 1895. Well, I’m always looking for books with info in them. Thanks again, Lynella.
If you ever go to a Stomp Dance (Cherokee, but also all the Southeastern Tribes have them), they serve the Black Drink.
Be wary of people who talk about ceremony online as tho they were experts — noone that is authentic would do that.
I too have wondered if Siouan people had Stomps.
vance
Vance,
🙂 Thank you very much and I will be wary. Thank you, do you know if they still use the same plant for the black drink? I would love to visit a stomp sometime. I bet they’re a lot of fun. Well, thanks again. Love & Light, Lynella. 😉
Hey Lynella, that tree is ilex vomitoria or something like like, “poor man’s coffee if you live in Ga.
I have seen it many times and Iam sure that you can get at a “health food” store.
Like all plants etc it can be medicine or food, just like cherry or saskatoon etc.
Common sence is the best tool for everything, everthing in moderation just like Granny used to say.
Those authors,Speck, Dorsey, Gatschet, Mason and several others are kinda the standard names in southern research atleast they were the first to really notice southern people., others since then are Webb, Gregory, Medford, the authors from Georgia stae, if you find a book look in the back for the biblio. it will open big doors for you.
enjoy the snow yet!?
We got it good over the week end.
Be Good, Tom
Tom,
😀 Hey, THANKS! That’s interesting, I’ll have to check Vitamin Cottage just for giggles. I agree. I don’t actually mess with too many herbals unless I’m certain about them, ya’ know a lot of stuff my mom & dad taught me from the time I was little. A lot of common sense too, you’re right. Which, sense sometimes I have none, I do have to be carefull!
You know, I often forget to check the bibliographies and that’s really wierd because I use too. Hmmmmmm, OLD AGE:( !!!!
We’ve had a few nice snows, but nothing to get excited about yet. I love the snow so much. I don’t care for driving in it. But taking long walks in it, or just go sit out in it at night when it makes everything so quiet that you can actually HEAR the silence. I remember taking my son for a walk after a deep snow one night, he was about 9 or so. We bundled up and went down into the bottom of the canyon near where we lived, about a half mile or so from home. We sat there for over an hour just absorbing the solitude and watching a big orange moon rise over the ridge up above us. Our back sides got pretty cold, but it was so worth every second with him. I would never change any of those moments like that one. I hope he remembers it as well and as fondly as I do.
Well, I’ll be good, I promiss. My other son has desided to make me a grandma. Boy, now that makes me feel OLD! It’s already kicking so much, he says it’s gonna’ be a ninja!
Stay cozy! Love & Light, Lynella.;)
Snow?? Where do yall live? We haven’t even gotten close to a frost, yet — coldest it’s been is lower fifties. Our first frost is usually early/mid November.
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I’ve heard “Chickory” called “poor man’s coffee”, but I think that is something else. Anything with the name “vomit” in it tho, I think I’d think long and hard about trying . . . 🙂
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I don’t know what it is made out of. NC, SC Ga, E Tn, and Ala get more rain than we do, altho we both have relitively similar climates temperature-wise. But there are a lot of plants that grow here they don’t have back east and vice versa. It is very possible they found another plant to make their “black drink” from. But I don’t know anything about what it is or was made from.
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Vance,
Well thank you! I agree about that vomit part. It makes me think of that syrup of Ipacack (not sure how to spell it). I live in Bailey, Colorado. Up in the mountains. This house sits at 9500 feet. We’ve been waking up to frosts just about every morning for the last month. We’ve already been heating the house with the wood stove. I love that smell. Sometimes, when its a particularly cold night we’ll toss a big chunk of coal in just before we go to bed and that way its nice and toasty in here in the morning. Well, Love & Light, Lynella.;)
“Bailey” rings a bell, I think it might be close to where I once lived. There was a little place called “Pine” and another building or 2 called “Pine Junction” on the side of a mountain. I once lived in a little log cabin up there. It was on teh side of a mountain and one side of the cabin was on stilts, and we kept coal under there. Just walk around for a fallen tree, pine was abundant and it was easy to chop up, much easier than the hardwoods. So we’d get the fire started with pine and replace it with coal. This was back in 1973 I left there in 1974. Back then it was a lot cheaper to live there. I’ve heard it is more expensive now. But it seems like I remember hearing of “Bailey” from my stay there, it was so long ago tho I might be remembering something else.
I have 2 or 3 “cool” memories of that place.
One — seeing a UFO — it made the newspapers back then so others saw it too.
Two — hiking to the top of a mountain, and sleeping at the base of the top, waking up with a quiet yet audible “flop flop flop” sound, and looking up at the lowest branch of the nearest tree, and seeing the biggest bird I’d ever seen — an owl — a very huge owl — that had just landed that was staring down at our sleeping bags as I was staring up at him. I remember thinking he prob’ly stopped to see if we were dead or not. So when he saw me awake he realized “the jig was up” and he’d been spotted. He flew off after 4 or 5 minutes. Or at least I like to think me waking up might have saved us from bein’ nibbled on a little here and there. Prob’ly just wishful thinkin’. 🙂
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Hey Vance and Lyneela, I live in southern Alberta, Canada.
It’s the southern part that people from Florida find funny.
Really it’s ok, but snow or anything less than 50 above is not for me.
I’ve lived 750 north of here and it got down to -52 below zero, so the southern part is not as cold but does get to -40 or so, one winter the day time high was -35 for up to 6 weeks!
Iam really looking forward to spring already.
Chickory is a root that is used for coffee , common in the Louisiana area.
The mountains sound really quite neat but these days Iam looking for alot of “left wing , forward thinking right side of the brain” conversation, something rare in this “neck” of the woods.
The UFO sounds pretty cool, we have seen things in the night sky that cannot be explained, nice to think that there might be more intellegence out there.!
I have friends that claim to have had “big foot” expierences while in the mountains etc, kinda neat !
Anyway I hope all is well, Tom.
Vance and Tom,
😎 Way awsome, Vance! Yeah, Pine and Pine junction are as the crow flies about 3 miles from here. But, by road, Hiway 43 and hiway 285, it takes about 15 minutes or so to get over there. It’s on my way to anywhere else! Unless I’m going south tward Fairplay. That is just so cool! What a small, small world it truly is. I caught a good giggle from your owl story, Vance I got the visual on that. I was just telling Glenn the other day, we don’t see enough owls up here. I think they are really beautiful. My birdy of course is the hawk and I see those all the time. It sounds really nice to be laying around outside in a sleeping bag too. It’s been awhile since I’ve done that. I still can’t get over you having lived here. Come Back, so we can hang out! Bring Tom and we’ll look for more UFO’s. We saw one in broad daylight, summer before last. We were on the motorcycle up near Leadville, had pulled over to streatch our legs, looked up and saw it. It was so huge, I mean WAY HUGE. It was a triagle that was exactly the color of the sky. So you could barely detect it. But the corners were lit up and we could make out the lines of the triagle as the whole thing moved away from us. It was really something. I like to think there’s more out there too. I think its a cool thing. Not scary, just awsome! Tom, Ive heard that Canada is really beautiful and abundant with wildlife. Is It? This has been really good talking with you guys. Thank you so very much. Love & Light, Lynella.;)
Hey that triangle thing is familiar, back in the 70’s there was a news report, over the tv of a UFO seen near where we lived.
The anchor man said this woman that had been pestering the station always calling in saying that there was an object hovering over head , when they would check it , nothing until one day they were near by and caught on film and broadcasted it that night on the evening news. It was huge 3 sided kinda looked like 3 pipes joined together with something at the corners.
The police siezed the tapes shipped the reporters off to the capital and hushed everything up. Strange hay!
Like I had mentioed earlier, “just like going to Macdonalds, ever recogonize anyone from after they’ve been there for a while”!.
Tom,
😀 You make me laugh! I like that!
Yep, that sounds just like the one we saw. I’m frusterated cause I watch for it now and I’ve never seen it since. But yeah, strange for sure. Lynella.
hey Lynella, as you can tell , I have developed a pet peeve about “fast food in the food chain”, after this past summer of working in a plant. , one day I’ll share it with you.
Tom,
ps no visuals on the trianangulation as of yet but I’ll keep you posted! HAHA
Tom,
Howdy! I can’t wait to hear all about your “pet peeve.” I’ll be waiting anxiously! And I’ve actually heard that triangle referred to as the “ufant triangle” wierd, I know! They actually were talking about it on one of those UFO specials on T.V. But if you do see it, I won’t say “I told you it was out there!” Love & light, Lynella.:D
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