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Jane,
I’ll take the easy stuff first.
From U.S. Census:
1880 Casey Co., Ky; ED 21; 12 June; page 728B;
dwelling 263, Family 263 (otherwise stated as “263, 263”):
Black, Linsey; W, m, 63, farmer, Ky, NC, NC.
…….., Siltire; W, f, 62, wife, Ky, NC, NC.
…….., Andrew; m, 23, son, Ky.
…….., Josephine; m, 21, wife, Ky.
…….., Betsy A.; f. 4, Gran-dau, Ky.
…….., Martha B.; f, 1, Gran-dau, Ky.
(Josephine is Andrew’s wife. Betsy & Martha are their children. “Linsey” and “Siltire” are Andrew’s parents.)
next door, at 264, 264:
Black, Marshal; W, m, 36, farmer, Ky, Ky, Ky.
…….., Vileta (?); W, f, 27, wife, Ky, Ky, Ky. (Violet? Violetta?)
…….., Andrew; m, 10, son, Ky.
…….., LINSY G.; m, 9, son, Ky.*******
…….., Sarah A.; f, 7, dau, Ky.
…….., Mary M.; f, 2, dau, Ky.
(Re: “Ky, Ky, Ky”.
The first “Ky” is where Marshal was born. The 2nd “Ky” is where his father was born. The 3nd “Ky” is where his mother was born. When the children’s parents’ birthplace doesn’t contradict the info for the parents they’re living with, I don’t duplicate the childrens’ parents’ info on the line for each of the children. On the 1850, 1860 & 1870 census, only the birthplace of an individual is listed, not their parents’ birthplaces. On census records earlier than 1850, no place of birth is recorded and only the “Head of Household” ‘s name is listed.
Earlier census info that I’ll post, shows that the older Lindsey Black, b. abt. 1817 (or 1822 is more likely), is the father of Marshall G. Black who is the father of your husband’s grandfather Lindsey (“Linsy”) Grant Black. Lindsey, b.abt.1822, is listed in several “family trees” as Lindsey Greene Black.
The 1850 census lists Lindsey Black’s (b.abt.1822) wife as Adaline, b. abt.1823, so he was married twice. Adaline (maiden name not yet found) is the mother of Marshall G. Black.
Lindsey Black married 2nd, in abt. 1855, Syltire MULLICAN, b. 22 June 1816 in Lincoln Co., Ky.; d. 5 Oct 1904 Casey Co., Ky. Several of Lindsey’s siblings also marr’d Mullicans who may have been related.
Lindsey Black was born about 1822 in Pulaski Co., Ky. He reportedly died 10 Oct 1895 in Casey Co., Ky.
Adaline died after 1850 and before 1860. While this is just an educated guess, the gap in ages between Lindsey’s son Calvin, b.abt. 1850, and his son Andrew J., b.abt. 1857, would indicate that Adaline probably died between 1850 and 1857, and that Andrew J. is Syltire’s son, not Adaline’s. A descendant of one of Lindsey Black’s siblings claims Lindsey marr’d Syltire about 1855, so Adaline may even have died in childbirth in 1850. I don’t think anyone really knows for certain at this point.
1870 Casey Co., Ky Census; District 1; P.O.: Middleburg, Ky; 7 June; pg. 365, at 233, 233:
Black, Lindsey; 53; m, W, Farmer, $300, $500, Ky.
…….., Hannah; 52; f, W, Ky. (presumed same person as Syltire)
…….., Calvin; 19, m, Ky.
…….., Andrew J.; 13, m, Ky.
1870 Casey Co., Ky Census; Jenkins Pct; P.O.: Middleburg, Ky; 22 June; pg 207A; at 172, 172:
Black, Marshall; 23, m, W, Farmer, $0, $200, Ky.*******
…….., Victory; 16, f, W, Ky. (presumed same as Violet)
…….., Andrew J.; 2 months, m, W, KY.
(The first “$” amount shown is the value of Real Estate owned.
The 2nd “$” amount is the value of Personal Property owned.)
1860 Casey Co., Ky; District 1; P.O.: Middleburg, Ky; 7 June; pg. 365, at 84, 84:
John Haggard; 81, m, W, farmer, $2700, $200, Va.
Rachel………..; 78, f, W, Va.
Benj…………..; 51, m, W, Va.
Salley…………; 48, f, W, Va.
Next door, at 85, 85:
Lindsey Black; 43; m, W, farmer, $300, $500, (born) “Pulaski Co.”
Siltara………..; 43, f, W, Ky.
John M……….; 13, m, W, Ky.
Rachel………..; 16, f, W, Ky.
MARSHEL G….; 12, m, W, Ky.*******
Calvin…………; 10, m, W, Ky.
Andrew J…….; 3, m, W, Ky.
1850 Pulaski Co., Ky Census; Division 2; 7 Sept; pg.108A
at 485, 485:
Levi Haggard; 22, m, – , Ky.
Margaret……; 27, f, – , Ky.
Joseph………; 1, m, – , Ky.
at 486, 486:
Moses Black; 69, m, – , farmer, Va.
Katherine….; 62, f, – , Va.
Christian…..; 25, f, -, Ky.
Elizabeth….; 20, f, – , Ky.
Shadrick…..; 18, m, – , Ky.
Patience…..; 12, f, – , Ky.
at 487, 487:
Lindsey Black; 28, m, – , Ky.
Adaline……….; 27, f, – , Ky.
John…………..; 12, m, – , Ky.
Silas…………..; 10, f, – , Ky.
Francis……….; 8, f, – , Ky.
Marshal G…..; 4, m, – , Ky.*******
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More later,
Bill
From World Family Tree Vol 9, Tree 2277:
(these kind of things have to be looked at critically, but this one looks legit, barring any gross contradictions.)
Moses Black, Sr., b. abt. 1781 Va; d. 1864 Pulaski Co., Ky; marr’d on 29 April 1812, in Pulaski Co., Ky (& per county marriage records), Katherine DYE, b.abt. 1788 Va; d. 1892 Pulaski Co., Ky.
Their children:
Wm. Dye Black
Polly Jane Black (“Polly” is a nickname for Mary)
Moses Black, Jr.
Lindsey Greene Black
Joseph Black
Christina Black
Calvin Black
Sarah Black
Elizabeth Black
Shadrick Marion Black
Patience Black
Moses Black’s parents:
John Black, b.abt. 1760 Va.; d. 1830 Pulaski Co., Ky., marr’d
Jane Newell, b. ?, d. 1834 Pulaski Co., Ky.
(I’m still working on John Black’s origin, but provisionally, I place him in Augusta Co., Va. – more work needs to be done on that.)
Katherine Dye’s parents:
William Dye, b.abt. 1747 Va.; d. 1823 Pulaski Co., Ky; marr’d
Rebecca Randolph; b. ?; d. abt. 1799 Pulaski Co., Ky.
(Wm. Dye may also be from Augusta Co., Va., as the only DYE I’ve found in this time period was in the Shenandoah Valley. There is a mixed blood line of Randolphs in west-central Virginia in this time period but we can’t take this to the bank without more work.)
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Bill
Bill, this is so very interesting. I certainly appreciate your help. I am a true ‘green-horn’. I will attempt to get a little more oral history from my husband’s older sister. Bye for now, Jane.
Bill,
I got lured into this one when I saw Hodge in the title. Sorry to interupt!:) I’m still checking all over for info on my Hodges. Haven’t found anything but the Cherokee numbers. Are any of mine related to any of these??? (Aaron, Polly etc.) Love & Light, Lynella.
Not knowing who may have interest in this thread, I’ll greet with Hi, Bill Childs et al.
Could John Black have been the Augusta Cty., VA orphan of Anthony and (Elizabeth , died 1761 ?) Black? This may also be the John Black, Sr., who lived on the South River Augusta Cty., VA
in 1780. (This may put John Black too young to have been
a Sr. in 1780.) I have not located any info on children born to
Anthony and (Elizabeth ?) Black.
On August 29th of 1766 William Dye, age 14 and the orphan son of David Dye of Augusta Cty., VA, was bound to Samuel McKee.
This as far as I have gotten. Have a great day! Jane.
Hey! Good work, Jane,
Note: Senior and Junior were used a little differently than we use them today, i.e., in the 1700s and early 1800s, a John Black could be termed “senior” and his nephew termed “junior”.
There were several John Black’s in Augusta Co., and there may have been more than I found.
Some tidbits from “Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, Vol.III, Abstracts of Wills of Augusta County”, page numbers in parenthesis:
Anthony Black’s estate was inventoried Sept. 4, 1761 by John Finley, James Sayers and Daniel __?__ . (pg.68)
On 19th August, 1761, Elizabeth Black’s bond (with James Black, Sam’l Craig) as administratrix of Anthony Black was recorded.
(pg.65)
August 21, 1771, Samuel Craig is appointed guardian of John Black, orphan of Anthony Black. (pg.164)
August 21, 1771, Samuel Craig’s bond (with William and James Bell) as guardian to John Black, orphan of Anthony Black. (pg.120)
17th March, 1773. Recorded – Samuel Craig’s account of his guardianship of the estate of John Black, orphan of Anthony Black, deceased. To rent of plantation on Middle River for 176- and 1764 – Samuel Craig; 1765-Hugh Martin; 1766-Robt. Clendennin; 1768-, 9, 70, 71 – Robert Clendennin; 1772-James Lock; by cash paid Hanah McKanear for stockings; by cash paid Margaret Craig; James Black’s payments for the use of the orphans; 1767-paid to Thankful Finley; by cash for rent in 1776.
(pg.128)
(this may be a final accounting of the guardianship when John Black turned of age – I don’t know.)
Other Black Wills and Inventories of Augusta Co., VA. from county records index:
Jno., 1758 Will.
Alex., 1765 Inventory.
David, 1769 Will.
Sam’l, 1783 Will.
Cutlip, 1790 Will.
Jno., 1795 Will.
In 1781, John, William & Anthony Black signed the same Augusta Co., Va., Petition. This is obviously not the Anthony that died in 1761, but this may be the “John Black, Sr., on South River Augusta County, Virginia” of 1781/2, who billed the U.S.Govt for costs associated with taking in and nursing back to health, “John Davis, a soldier in the Western Battlion, being wounded on the 26th day of Novenber, 1780, and had his leg taken off at the said John Blacks.” (pg.526)
“17th July, 1808. John Black’s will – To brother, William, and sisters, Peggy and Sally; to brother Anthony Black’s five sons, John, Hugh, William, Samuel, James; to sister Eleanor Shields’s two sons, Robert and Thomas Shields. Executors, brother Anthony, Samuel Long and Samuel Blackwood. Teste: Joseph Long, Samuel Black, Samuel Black. Proved 26th September, 1808.”
(pg.232)
I don’t know if the listing of two Samuel Black’s was a typo or if there really were two of them.
Additionally, there was a John Black on the 1788 Fayette Co., Ky Tax List.
Jane Black,
Hey! 🙂 How are you? I hope all is well. I was skipping about here and thought I’d check in to see if there has been any news on your HODGE line? We’ve made a tiny dent in ours and the dent is pretty much that we had the wrong ones! But we’ve found a few threads to try and weave up some semblance of the right ones!;) Happy hunting! Love & Light, Lynella.
Sandy,
They have been (region and ethnic-origin specific), i.e.,
think of how you hear an Australian “g’dye” (“good day”). It’s much the same in rural Scotland today and all of ’em (English speaking) a couple hundred years ago. It depends on where one’s from.
Bill
Wish I’d seen this earlier. Lawrence County, Alabama, 1820 in nov, John H. Brown (1785-1838) married Polly (Mary) Black (1801-after 1870). One of their daughters was Lindsey Brown. One of their sons was David B Brown — he was my great great grandpa. This family is found in Walker County, Alabama in 1850 census and Lawrence County, Arkansas in 1860 census (where David was in 1850 and 1860 census). Mary is head of household on both census records as John died @ 1838.
Jonothan/Jonathan Black was a teacher at a Christian Mission school in the Cherokee Nation from about 1803-c.1814 at the latest. It was in his home that Doublehead was killed in 1807.
I do not know if they are related to your Blacks, but the name “Lindsey” is in both families. Could be a coincidence.
vance
Thanks Bill. You confirmed what I have believed for a long time.
Vance, you mentioned Doublehead. Was he the father of Cornblossom who was at Yahoo Falls and was Chief Red Bird with her?
Thank you,
Sandy
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