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Oh, Bible ref briefly um The Tower of Babylon, hold up let me get my bible, AHHHH yes Tower of Babel, Genesis; chap 11 read on my people.
Sorry I have alot of interests: Camping, parasaling, long walks on the beach, and the Bible:D
Yes, I’m extremely familiar with the Tower of Babel account about building the tower and then God confusing the languages as a punishment. The tower build was initiated by Nimrod, the grandson of Noah. After the languages were confused, the people began migrating to all areas of the earth, which again follows along with actual migration patterns that have been studied ad nauseum.
Actually, this last thread and all the nonsense associated with it has helped me decide that this forum is not the place for me. “Searching for Saponi Town” led me to believe this would be a place for people with ties to the Piedmont and Virginia Native Americans, specifically Saponi-Tutelo, to talk, share research, and to try to “connect the dots” between people who have actual ancestors from Brunswick, Southampton, Hertford and other counties where our ancestors once (and still) lived.
However, this is more like the “theory of the day” club to discuss anything and everything, whether it makes sense or just “feels good”.
I am too much of a “scholar” as you put it (nicely, I know Christina – you are my homegirl you know 😀 ). But I enjoy actually researching and discussing history too much to just sit and battle about theories and good stories.
This will be my last post everyone. It was fun while it lasted.
Tom
Sorry to see you go, you just have to pick a side and present it, you did and thank you.
Iam not a missionary and I don’t want everyone to see the world the way I do, I don’t believe in the Bible , I have nothing in common with those desert people, Iam not an ape, I just believe that we have always been here, kinda like some of the oldest stone ever found is in the Blue ridge Mountains.
Did the Siberians leave North America we don’t know yet!
The 2 theories you present are great for Christians and scientist’s but not for everyone, kinda the flavor of the century!
You should read some of Vine Deloria’s books might help you see what Iam saying.
Signed
Born Again Heathen
Look at your Hotmail.
Ok I see what your saying about the theory of the day, but you know there is some compelling information here, you dont have to buy into everything, but there many avenues in attempting to understand what happend to the Saponi/Saponi Town, yes some avenues might be a little far fetched, but I think you can see that people want to share their documentation with you, their documentation is different than yours, and there is no reason on this topic for people to get irritated, no one should be deffensive because, we all have different experiences leading to one mystery. We have to take all things into account, except I can do with out the whole Viking thing myself.
You’ve been doing major research on the Blackfoot the past few days????????????
What the heck?
I don’t even know how to say what I am thinking. But some of us here have been researching for longer than some have been alive…anyway, hate to say what my hubby would have to say who has taught for 33 years now. And the Bible? Don’t even get started on that one…I don’t think anyone could be more “scholarly” on that subject. What I am the least impressed with is when someone asks me a direct question about ME and cannot find the time to respond to it.
GOOD GRIEF CHARLIE BROWN.
Sue J
P.S. This sure will not be my last post.
Oh, and Tom,
I should have supported you more.
I don’t believe in the Bible either even though I’m climbing out on a large rickety branch to say so.
But no, I can’t except that one.
Mother Earth, her beauty and power, yes.
OH Well.
Each to his or her own. I guess.
Sue J
Well, it has been many years it seems since Linda and I, along with Karen P., first shared our grand parents stories about Blackfoot ancestors on the Mingo language list. Almost everywhere we looked we found others with similar backgrounds and stories.
I am very grateful that Linda has created this forum as a repository for information and as a place for sharing research. There are so many stored threads I am sure I will not get to them all for a long time. I also appreciate all the research she and others have done and shared. I appreciate a place where those of us with Eastern Blackfoot traditions can come to discover and research the patterns that may lead us to some answers about the paths our ancestors walked. There is so much here to pick through and ponder. The recent Berkley Co. locations were intriguing, as others have been.,,,
Linda is a dynamo. I have wondered about the Eastern Blackfoot since I was a little girl, but I would have never taken the bull by the horns and created this special place as Linda has done. I am a grateful guest. Thanks to Linda and all the moderators and participants.
I also thank my grandfather from “Bloody Mingo” WV who shared his past with me and I respect what he has told me, and that he taught me manners, and taught me to fear no man– only the wind.
That sounds like a good-bye, Brenda. I hope not.
I too am grateful for the chance to explore a past that I only found out about 3 years ago.
Techteach
Oh, no, no. Not a good-bye. I may get lost in the woods for awhile, sometimes a long while, but I’ll always meander back. I just think it is important to state that, even as a “member”, I am a guest here of others’ caring and hospitality, as we all are in a way, and I hope to remember that and behave accordingly. That includes saying that I am grateful —even though I probably shouldn’t get hooked on responding to someone’s flaming bad manners. [This thread started off with an attitude.]
You know what, I left this board yesterday with a very heavy heart, I know that Tommy made some people mad but he has not been doing this research a few days but more like 13 years oh and he was a genealogy teacher, he has had personal dialog with Auntie Linda and concretely has Saponi blood running in him and he proved it, in other posts and was welcomed back. Just becuase I write a bible refrences, does not me I thump, it’s just an interest, and I do try to live by it, I never made any refrence that if you do not follow the bible anyone is a Heathen-re: Toms signature, furthermore, incase anyone noticed Dreaminghawk, Saponi1, collins and I got in a pretty heat post, but you know what we were able to work it out and learn from eachother, I am younger than alot of you and I have only been doing this for 7 years, Tommy Tsunami is looking for answers, but he likes challenge, was that not aparent? He is only about 36 years old, and still trying to learn and make sence of this all himself. And what did the brothers and Sisters I respect so much doo? I basicly watched you slap your own blood proven relative in the face, because he did not say what you wanted to hear. I really really have a heavey heart about this and it has even caused me a tear or 2, to watch my people get so mad that they would alienate their own, that is how tribes fall apart…
By the way just to reinterate what my signature says in Lahkota,
CREATOR UNITE THE PEOPLE
Brenda says>>>> That includes saying that I am grateful —even though I probably shouldn’t get hooked on responding to someone’s flaming bad manners. [This thread started off with an attitude.]
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This thread started with several wasted days of research to disprove and ridicule something that all here have known since we came here….indeed, is the reason many arrived at saponitown. ……. IE… the knowledge that there is no relationship between the eastern blackfoot and the BLACKFEET.
If someone would take the time to read the work amassed in the history and genealogy section, rather than jumping the gun and ridiculing our efforts to unravel the mystery, then that someone may discover that there is more DOCUMENTATION collected on this site than anywhere else on the internet. I am also grateful for this site and ever thankful for the opportunity that Linda has provided with this site. To someone who comes with attitude, talks for a few days, doesn’t study what is here and then writes it off as hogwash, I gladly say GOODBY.
Well, it is too bad that he feels he has to pick at things, because this forum does do what he came here looking for.
Concerning the Berkeley county folks, in the past, I have followed the Ricketts line that begins in MD, moves to Antietam, and then intersects my Sinkeys in Lancaster, and goes with them to Ohio. I followed them to the Blackfoot Cemetery in Pike County also. Along the way, the family intersects with Mason (Meason), and Green in MD. They also marry into the Chaney line.
One of the sources for this family on genealogy.com states that Edward Ricketts, Jr marries a “squaw Indian” (pardon my use of that phrase!). He lives right next to my own William Sinkey and they both serve in the same unit as Rangers in the Revolution. And one family will has a Green taking over the family of a Sinkey who dies early. (Actually, this is new information that I ought to tell Deb. Hope Lynella reads this. She comes from the Rickett line.)
I have also found that the Presbyterian church connects all these locales and my Greens were Presbyterian.
Techteach
I think the thing that hurt most feelings was the implication that this wasn’t a site for hard, fact-based research. That search button at the top will open up the greatest repository of obscure early eastern sources and links that you will find anywhere on the net. Search longhunter… or indian traders….. or indian slaves…… court references….. early writings……. a wonderful group of people individually searching and combining every obscure scrap we find…. and still trying to sort it all out.
I’ll be out back in the cemetery if anybody needs me 😉
You know, i was tooling around today thinking “WHAT DID i MISS?” was there something Imissed when the whole discussion went south? So I decided I was going to read this thread in it’s intirety 3 more times. And from tommys first post, I could not see, how it got so crazy…sigh, and I honestly dont think he should have left infact I asked him to stay. Tommy did have some really interesting things to contribute to the forum as a whole, and I think he could have learned too. He would have been a great long term addition to our already wonderfull Bill Childs. But I cant be happy or glad that he left, I just think it’s sad, He cant even be apart of his own people becuse he was confused and being challenged and asking for answers, even if he missed some of the information on this site, there are people on here who know how to present fact, with out getting defensive, his first post states he was not trying to offend anyone or point fingers, and you know what? just because your Saponi does not automaticly mean you know anything about the Blackfoot/Sioux people or that there was any corelation between the 2 people. There just could have been so much more on both sides to offer.
Oh and if people were so mad, why not private message him, call on the phone and work it out, geeesh is it so hard for people to let go of a little pride (sometimes a little humility on one person side can go along way/killem with kindness). You know there are truley people out there trying to debunk us… Tommy is not that person, he just wanted answers.
To All,
Hey, I’ve read some very good points of view here. I’m not even certain how I found this! As far as human origin, true spiritualism aside, I can say one word that comes to mind and it is part of a book title that really does not bear on this, but the word I’m thinking is Starseed.
I believe in the grand scheme of things we are all somehow related to every other living natural particle of this universe as well as our dead.
We all believe what we believe. Live and let live, don’t throw stones and you won’t get stoned! WE KNOW there ARE the Blackfeet our more Western realtions, and we ALL KNOW WHO WE ARE, WE ARE THE SAPONI (BLACKFOOT) Southeastern Siouan, Native Americans. Key word being “NATIVE”…….. Having said that, WE are ALL here for a purpose and what ever we find that is, we follow our own path and get our work done and wake up each day feeling more and more gratified with our own work because we follow our own path. When our paths cross in research, or in spirituality, or in the woods meditating, or chasing butterflies, picking chokecherries or bathing. We simply need to make life work.
I bought a tee-shirt this spring with a photo of Geronimo and a couple other NATIVE Americans on there and under it, it says, “Homeland Security Making the Country Safe Since 1492.”
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