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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Alliquippa and here is another Ollie/ Yollie/ Alli/ yohl i . I wonder if this is Ollie mom ? maybe . oh wow ..maybe I will see what I can find out .
no wonder I didn’t remember her name..:eek: anyone have any ideas how do you say it ?
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oh my it probably is.. oh wow … from the wikipedia ‘seneca” page . It lead me to this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mingo
wow .. and her great great is Lady Cofitachigui dropped of by Desoto near the Coosa river. . and her first cousin 1000 years removed is Yolh i k’nai
I sure wish I knew what those names really mean better..
but
so there is a trail of some ” blackfoot” and “cherokee blood” into 6 nations.
so the next time someone ( usually someone who calls themselves indians ) makes fun of your grandpa ( which isn’t any kind of traditional (Corn ??? you “traditional full blood ” faux maybe you should have been listening to your grandma more ) and they mock her stories and they mock (cherokee princesses and black foot princesses )and then worse and the latest is try to call her a prostitute .. my relatives you now have all the links and you can tell them where to shovel their ” Traditional “stuff anyplace place else. :mad::mad::mad:
Ps I am related a few times to Ollie Nionee.
but I haven’t confirmed in anyway I am a direct descendant of her sister.
except for a few names I had suspected were related someplace are turning up on matches list.. but I am not sure that it proves I am related to Mrs Barker.
with that wikipedia I can eliminate story was from only coming from Dolly’s line because we just linked Logan with Queen Alli and Ollie and Oconostota with Alli , and the story still can be from Ollie and maybe dolly too . because I know for sure Dolly had Souian .
but only Lord Pakals’s mtdna is going to prove anything for sure.
there is not a chance there is a mummy left in North America anywhere they found them all and ground them up or whatever the dead worshippers and voyeurs might have done with them they did it to them already .
and everyone else from that age is most likely buried at sea.
Lord Pakal’s is our best Hope for mtdna match .
that says grandpa, it should say grandma! listen to you grandma guys, they have no agendas but your good! and you can’t really say that about very few other humans.
well after reading more about a few possible Alliquippa’s around there then , it might take me a while to sort it out.
but it sure looks interesting…. for one reason is tecumseh was related some wild way or another also too .. and the youngest Alliquippa has a twin sister named ‘Snow in the face’ and Tecumseh’s family has been years trying to figure out how the name Snow or Ice comes into their family.. so maybe I will show them this. just it case it tears down that their brick wall.
but which Alliquippa is which is the hard part.
when did one replace the other . who was born where ? so maybe it might take me awhile to sort it out or maybe I never can .
by Caitlin
http://coolchicksfromhistory.tumblr.com/post/102786806496/queen-aliquippa-art-by-caitlin-tumblr-etsy
which one ?
is there anywhere a clan or tribe called anything like Keppa? AHHHHHHHHH( something older like kheba) also said like ‘ Sheba’ some places now .. yep.. ‘a daughter of the Oath’.. in other words the promise. wow.. I am telling you Jesus is awesome… thank you Lord! hehehe.. He is so Cool. yahoo for promises ! so Allequippa is a title not a name..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanacharison
in all the confusion of concepts and ideas , they say he was catawba. and so the one who died still might be Ollie’s mother .. but is the one who was born in 17(60′-80)s the same lady ? then she was really robbing the cradle when she had children with Ococostota .
so maybe there is two ladies with the same title and both just the same clan/ line/ inheritance lady or the white folks records are just confused about who was where when and what they were and why.
also did anyone notice in Tanacharison’s name is both a name like Tana and harison and ( I wonder if Tana is the word I remember as Tandy?) and are there any Harrison looking for their indian relations? Can Thonariss be a name like Thomas harison / Tom Harison/ Tom Harris too , I mean his kids could have done that to his name maybe? they might want to find this just in case one of his sons takes this name and other sons take all those other names the white awarded him. the British or the French give a few more names that any of his sons or daughters may have used maybe also too.
oh boy it looks like about 26 pages of people looking for a “cherokee indian princess” named Harris..I will check harrison next.. oh my poor lost cousins been catching all kinds of hell for that no doubts .. from all those “pure blood s” and “traditional indians ” i’m sure..
so really maybe some of those traditional really they just up and picked some new “traditions” that they liked better ?
ON Tecumpseh
I thought he was Ollie sister’s son or grandson so , Ollie’s mom’s sisters son or grandson works for me better than great! and now that I learned Alli was a twin to Snow .it appears a few cherokee ladies were taken I wonder when, obviously I forgot.
I might have to rethink if Shoeboots has a twin sister……… so by the time I got to him and there was no twin sisters Except for Elizabeth Shoeboots son Robert Ross and he had a twin sister Eliza Anne (Robert Ross was father of the great grandma who told me the stories) and thus he was a twin) and I knew of lots more twins than that . I knew there was more than one set of twins that had sisters and from records we learned dolly has twin boys , so I figured there is missing twin sisters someplace . so I assumed it was Shoeboots who had a twin sister . so maybe he does and maybe it was only Ollie’s mom who had a twin sister. so for sure Shoeboots has sisters but now I am not 100% sure one is his twin. but as you can see twin sure runs in his family. but I still think it is possible he has a twin. maybe less likely because ollie mom is a set of twin girls.
now that has been one thing that made me suspect daughter who married Barker was only a half sister of Ollie.. because since Oklahoma no one in our family has twins and neither were they very big/ tall .. … but heck most were stunted ( but are now at the last reunion some younger ones are getting taller)even being born in OK during the dust bowl years some of the boys got very tall. but some of the rest seems like kind of anorexic of some sort with crohns, celiacs and every kind of food allergy and lupus and nope no has twins in the family not so far . maybe that happens when only food available and provided in schools and such was not food to anyone in our lines ancestors .. natives didn’t eat wheat, or cheese , or rice( maybe wild rices) or ?? I mean has anyone seen Oklahoma , there is hardly no wild foods on those prairies and or fruits there maybe, but unless you know where to look for them if they are there at all .. everything changed every bit of the food and forage and water, everything changed.
I believe we were called corn people for a reason but it wasn’t the only food they ate , all the food changed when they took them out of their environment . but now with GMO corn that causes leaky guts and it is what kills even pigs and cows with that stuff and then canola that causes heart attacks in cows because it mess with omegas and vit E so much . ..by the time they are a few years old those cows die and the pigs don’t breed at all.. if they are raised on that as food they are all dead in a few years . I mean really if a wild thing won’t it should you ? nope we don’t have twins in my line not now anyway. so I don’t know if Ollie sister is the same clan/line as Ollie , they could be half sisters ,, is that is other reason why I did our mtdna or we are just now all so screwed up from eating non food to us foods…. but we should know when they reveal Pakals’s / with it Yohlik’nal ‘s mtdna. whatever Pakal’s it is probably Ollie’s and Alli’s and of course Snows and( Summer’s too ) mtdna .
I wonder if we once did have more twins when we were eating what God provided in that environment that He provided it to us and like our ancestors always had provided for eions before that and thus even their cells were adapted to it and that would of course mean that their genetics could be at it’s maximum physical type .
so much for scientific advancements…better living ( or dying ) through science !
http://www.nps.gov/fone/learn/historyculture/upload/FONE%20Alliquippa%20SiteB_NBl_pc-header.pdf
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Treaty_of_Penn_with_Indians_by_Benjamin_West.jpg
so I am sure I don’t understand the timing at all. behind the lady nursing who happens to be waring the same blanket at in another picture of her.. is another lady dressed nice that looks very similar to the lady nursing. is that the twin sister Snow or her ?
who is the husband or is one of those men in there Oconostota ? I always thought Oconostota sounded lots like Conastoga , I always get it misspelled because they are close enough.
Can he one of them there i mean how did all those cherokee get up there in with the mohawks and when ? or Is Ollie Nionee in there too ? it says 1701 and I can’t make what I think the math is, I wish I could up load this picture
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Treaty_of_Penn_with_Indians_by_Benjamin_West.jpg
. Attacullakulla is born around 1705 give or takea few , would he have a wife that is 10 years older than him if the little girl is Ollie nionee ? I don’t know that doesn’t sound right .. someplace in that picture is relatives or at least the same clan as Ollie Nionee . and bunches of Logan’s Relatives are killed at Conostoga and this is the treaty that made for the land to put that town.
just wow. I think those who look like twins look like my niece kind of , and the little girl looks close enough like my sister at about 10 and it sure appears that it be the same clan/ maternal line .
but my niece and my sister have dads or their mothers dads that are from that area or maybe catawba .. so that makes sense also.lots of goodies hiding here.
http://archive.org/stream/wildernesstrail03hanngoog/wildernesstrail03hanngoog_djvu.txt
“Widaagh, or Oretyagh, with Kyanharre, both chiefs of the Cones-
togas, attended a conference at Philadelphia in July, 1694. Six years
later, as already stated, Oretyagh and Ojunco, another Conestoga chief,
conveyed to William Penn all the lands of the Conestogas on both sides
of the Susquehanna. In October, 1701, Oretyagh came to Philadelphia
with some of his people, and some Shawnees, to take leave of William
Penn before his final departure for England. In May, 1704, Oretyagh
is referred to in the Minutes of the Provincial Council, as ” ye chief, now,
of Conestogoe.” Connoodaghtoh had evidently died since the time of
the treaty of 1701.
Chief Andaggy-junkquagh, or Ojunco, visited Philadelphia June
4, 1706, and September 21, 17 10. On the latter occasion he accom-
panied the ” Queen,” Connoodaghtoh’s widow, who is recorded as having
sent friendly messages to the Council from Conestoga as early as Febru-
ary, 1708. In 171 1, she sent a message, desiring the Governor to visit
Conestoga. This chieftainess is mentioned in July, 1712, as “the old
Queen, Conguegos.” On October i, 17 14, the Conestogas informed
the Governor that “their old queen was dead.”
Thomas Chalkley, a member of the Society of Friends, who travelled
extensively in America during the first decade of the eighteenth century,
visited the Conestoga Indians in 1706, and met their queen. The fol-
lowing description of his visit is given in Chalkley’s Journal: “When
I was travelling in those parts [Nottingham Township, Chester County,
Pennsylvania], I had a conceit on my mind to visit the Indians near
Susquehannah at Conestogoe. . . . We got an interpreter, and thirteen
or fourteen of us travelled through the woods about fifty miles. . . .
When we came, they received us kindly. . . . We treated about having
a meeting with them in a religious way, upon which they called a council,
in which they were very grave, and spoke one after another, without
any heat or jarring. And some of the most esteemed of their women
do sometimes speak in council. Our interpreter told me that they had
not done anything for many years without the counsel of an ancient,
grave woman, who, I observed spoke much in their council; for I was
permitted to be present at it; and I asked what it was the woman said.
He told me she was an empress; and they gave much heed to what she
said among them. Here were two nations of them, the Senecas [C ones-
togas] and Shawanese. We had first a meeting with the Senecas.”
The Queen’s counsel to her tribe was, to receive and welcome^ the
missionaries, as they came on a good errand. “
in 1714 one “old Queen” dies and we know that Logan’s Mom and sibling are born
after this date. and also the one in the picture doesn’t look old to me in 1701 if that is when it painted . so there is more than one queen in the area…. and lots more princesses oh I know there are no indian princess so we have boats loads of empresses in waiting around :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Connoodaghtoh died or left by 1714, I wonder who he is or what happened to him.
Nannanae;37870 wrote:
Connoodaghtoh died or left by 1714, I wonder who he is or what happened to him.
then from http://chickamaugacherokee.org/ChiefOconostota/
ALTERNATE NAMES: Oconostota, Oconastota Moytoy, Cunne Shote, Warrior of Chota, Stalking Turkey (a name which causes confusion with his uncle Kanagatucko, who was known as “Standing Turkey”), Groundhog Sausage, Beloved Warrior, First Warrior, Great Warrior, Skiagunsta Chote
ALTERNATE SPELLINGS: Oconastota, Oconostata, Oganatoga, Shote is a variant of Chote or Choat or Choate, Cumnacatogue
it seems similar. but looks more like or exactly like the
” uncles “name ( if it is really only the uncles spelling of a name ) . but for now I am not convinced it is a match. it is all very very close though. and he looks similar also.
but is he the same man? and we know he did not die . but that can be an assumption the whites had about ‘widows’ ,
‘divorce’ or even ‘wifes” and those in native culture isn’t the same thing either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mingo
this says it means mengewi .. so are the Iroquois mengewi ? here is the father of Menegewi . or just someof them are now….. but which line is Menegwi
looks kind of familiar.
I found another spelling for Alli , Ollie …. Oloye and some more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_(ruler)#Aristocratic_titles_among_the_Yoruba
and here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alupa_dynasty
also did anyone notice
in that William Pen picture of at least 12 male indians only one is clearly asiatic ?
as far is REV 12 and Is 24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality
I wonder which 12 will be the stars?
http://rewild.com/anthropik/2007/05/legends-of-the-allegewi/index.html and really just don’t remember who which group of Allege / Elishah/ Aleshiyah really is here. that site says that it Allegewi spoke Souian, then Souian should speak the same as many cousin and as the mayan and same as in that list of other Alle = and the matrilineal clans lines around the world.
My mtdna or closer types of U5 is showing up at most of these places including India and China and all of Indonesia . and the most abundant is Sardinia and where all places that were known trading places with Tarshish including India.
But Menes took the heads off of the 10 kings of Elishah ( see Narmer/ menes Stele) before the event called Turtle island . so with the ten clans of Elishah and his brothers 2 clans it was twelve and I think Tarshish didn’t have sons so his whole kingdoms went to a female line which was to marry any tribes of Elishah’s 10 clans , but Menes or Canaanites messed that up I think.( maybe something about Hercules or ?)
so which one is which clan now ? I don’t remember and maybe wasn’t told , so it went something like that . but Menes wiped the ten kings before the event and put his line in then maybe after the event also. I think I will let the male clans figure out who is still here and what those clan lines should be . which all tribes were here , but truth is just as all tribes were at Carthage and Tyre and us before those events memorialize by Serpent mound which destroyed the eye world and it kingdoms. so the tribes need to figure out or they won’t because they don’t want to know.
the Tall indian in the front sure could be a male from our line so maybe he is Allequippa’s brother? of course so could the asian looking one if his daddy was of an asian type. but these are dressed very differently and tall indian matches Alliquippa’s dress as do the other blanket covered indians behind indian with the red feathers.
can Tall Indian in the front be the Tanaharison ? and what the Eqyptians called or recorded on their walls ( Menes/mengewi ) called the Tamnahu ( sp?)( they two feathers, loin clothes and lots of tattoos and a blanket coat ? )? he is the right type or is the Tamahu a male clan line of maybe Tyre( or like Tara) or Alleshyia(sp?) / Elishah ? or maybe that type only happened when you cross a tall lady x and Elishah male line . I don’t know .
I don’t know if ( Tamahu ) it is a clan name/ line or just a name that Egyptians called Big white/light guys who did tattoos . but that type can come from my maternal line. I don’t know if the boy or the man is Tanaharison though .
“The White-skinned nomadic Tamahu were a strange people to the Black Egyptians. They had no apparent skill except trouble-making. ”
nomadic ? sea trading tribes were nomadic but that doesn’t mean they didn’t have a land that you Eqypt stole all of them at least once . “no skill” but trouble making Tarshish and Alleshiyah and his ten clan is one of the greatest producing people and traders and builders ever.. It was Menes / Egypt who stole all of it and killed it kings and placed it own men/clan in as leadership. just see the name of Allesehir’s kings name Eumenes and Attalus even nearly 1200 years later menes is on the thrown nad it was never patriarchal societies . Egypt/ Menes stole a land and it people and after the cosmic events that causes the turtle island/ bronze age colapse / Serpent mound memorial and all the sea tribes there ruled by Menes and they all then refuses to take in the refugees from that cosmic event , refugees from lands they stole and they benefited from . so who is the trouble makers again? Menes was the invader! it saw goods and wanted them and found a way to steal all of it and after the event there wasn’t a world to trade with , but only the tiny Mediterranean Sea could be sailed and the rest of the world’s seas appears to be mud. . the sea levels had dropped maybe as much as 1200 feet. and everything was in turmoil and confusion. no Menes was the trouble makers who got greedy and wanted to be like God’s and steal it all !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamaulipas TAMA ULI PAS
and in mexico, hey I got to ask Mexicians who mock North American Native people..
I think that name sates name means it is big white guys land or is this name just a memorial to the last of them there ? hummmm I wonder what happened to them ?
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