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If this is the correct county formation, then Hanover wasn’t formed yet when Old Thomas Gibson was born.
Hanover County was named for George I, who at the time of his ascent to the English throne was elector of Hanover in Germany. The county was formed from New Kent in 1720. Its area is 471 square miles, and the county seat is Hanover. Hanover is one of the Commonwealth’s Burned Records Counties. Most county court records were destroyed during the evacuation fire in Richmond on 3 April 1865. A few isolated record books that were not sent to Richmond and various scraps of loose papers survive.
St. Paul’s Parish was created in 1704 from the western part of St. Peter’s Parish, New Kent. The bounds of Hanover County were conformed to that of St. Paul’s Parish when it was created. The western part of St. Paul’s Parish became St. Martin’s Parish in 1726.
Funny you should mention that, I had just been reading a few minutes ago that one of your ancestors (Robert Allen) was born in Hanover Co. in 1675.
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1009&highlight=Memucan+Hunt
But as we all know, somebody can be born in a place before it gets called what people later will call it. I have no personal knowledge of where or when Old Thomas Gibson was born.
Hello Pappy…all….having been otherwise busy these past few weeks I just this morning started examining this line of Collins and Gibsons from Louisa Co, VA yet again and the name Pouncey caught my eye/ear…so looking in my notes I came across quite a lil cache of information on a certain Pouncey Anderson who Pappy mentioned as being an assignee in old Thomas’ will…by dates, name and location he appears to be the following:
“Children of Richard Anderson and Charity Pouncey are:
+ 2 i. Richard7 Anderson, born Abt. 1700 in New Kent County, Virginia; died Aft. 1766 in Hanover County, Virginia.
+ 3 ii. Pouncey Anderson, born Bef. 1704 in New Kent County, Virginia; died August 1781 in Louisa County, Virginia.
+ 4 iii. Robert Anderson, born Abt. 1706 in New Kent County, Virginia; died Bef. 1769 in Louisa County, Virginia.
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*Note: some researchers think/feel that Richard Anderson’s wife was alternately named Mary nee Pouncey…irreguardless, Richard and this Pouncey woman did have a son named Pouncey, listed as CH #2 above. The notes for Richard are rather extensive and include the following:
” 1. Richard6 Anderson (Robert5, Robert4, Richard3, “York Watershed”2, “Colonial Virginia”1) (Source: (1) William Pope Anderson, Anderson Family Records, (W. F. Schaeffer & Co., Cincinnati, Ohio; 1936)., (2) William Pope Anderson, Anderson – Overton, A Continuation of Anderson Family Records (1936) & Early Descendants of William Overton & Elizabeth Waters of Virginia & Allied Fa, (Cincinnati, Ohio; 1945.)., (3) C. G. Chamberlayne, The Vestry Book of St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County, Virginia 1706-1786, (Clearfield Company, Inc.; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Maryland 1999).) was born Abt. 1673 in New Kent County, Virginia, and died Aft. 1723 in Hanover County, Virginia. He married Charity Pouncey (Source: C. G. Chamberlayne, The Vestry Book of St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County, Virginia 1706-1786, (Clearfield Company, Inc.; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Maryland 1999).), daughter of Anthony Pouncey. She was born Abt. 1680 in New Kent County, Virginia, and died Aft. 1756 in Hanover County, Virginia.
Notes for Richard Anderson:
Richard’s existence is derived from St. Paul parish precessioning records and the 1704 rent roll. He is identified in the St, Paul’s parish vestry book as responsible for the cures of two different individuals so I am assuming he was considered a doctor.
Curiously I have found no patents or deeds for him but he is listed as a land holder in the precessioning records.. He survived for a significant period in the St. Paul Parish precessioning records and it is possible that he had purchased a plantation and never moved from it. He is superceded in those records by his widow Charity Anderson. It is possible that his widow is the Charity Anderson listed as a daughter of Robert Anderson by Edward L. Anderson and others. He lived in a precinct defined separate from his bothers but within one plantation of his brother Matthew.
The Quit Rents of Virginia, 1704, by Annie Laurie Wright Smith, Virginia State Archives; 1957.
Anderson, Robert New Kent County 700 acres
Anderson, Robert New Kent County 900 acres
Anderson, David New Kent County 300 acres
Anderson, John New Kent County 100 acres
Anderson, John New Kent County 100 acres
Anderson, Richard New Kent County 200 acres
This is Richard and his father and brothers. The extra John is believed to be his uncle and died in 1706.
1706 Richard Anderson 60 lb tbco to his account St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1708/9 Richard Anderson precessioner precinct 4 St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1711 Richard Anderson precessioning precinct 25 St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1711 Richard Anderson precessioning precinct 26 St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1715 Richard Anderson precessioing precinct 20 St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1717 Richard Anderson 520 lb tbco for keeping Mary Clark St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1717 Richard Anderson 1000 lb tobc for keeping Mary Clark one year and if he cure her leg & foot 500 more St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1718 Richard Anderson 450 lb tbco for keeping Mary Clark and her burial St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1719 Richard Anderson precessioning precinct 25 St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1719 Richard Anderson precessioner precinct 34 St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1723 Richard Anderson 500 lb tobco for curing Eliz; Haflin St. Paul’s Parish Vestry Book
1. William Pope Anderson, Anderson Family Records, (W. F. Schaeffer & Co., Cincinnati, Ohio; 1936).
2. William Pope Anderson, Anderson – Overton, A Continuation of Anderson Family Records (1936) & Early Descendants of William Overton & Elizabeth Waters of Virginia & Allied Fa, (Cincinnati, Ohio; 1945.).
3. C. G. Chamberlayne, The Vestry Book of St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County, Virginia 1706-1786, (Clearfield Company, Inc.; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Maryland 1999).
Notes for Charity Pouncey:
Charity supercedes Richard in the St. Paul’s parish precessioning rolls. It is possible and now I think likely that she was Charity Pouncey. In the 1731 precessioning roll she is co-resident in the precinct with Anthony Pouncey.
1731 precessioning St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County
1735 precessioning St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County
1739 precessioning St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County
1743 precessioning St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County
1751 precessioning St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County (not present but agreed to see it done)
1755 precessioning St. Paul’s Parish, Hanover County
Accounts from Store of Francis Jerdone, Hanovertown, Hanover, Virginia
1736 Folio 55 William Sladden Tobacco Cask Mark Contra by Richards Stations widowed 3 Levies & quit rents widows land @ 1.32 NW 00.2.4. Go by Charles Davock last year Levies .66 By James Hall Do .66 (88) By Charity Anderson 9 levies 1.32 NW (92) By Alexander Cock .1.13.00 (94) By Michaell Satteveshites 1.86 By Elisazer Davis 4 Levey quit rents .60 5.10 (96) By Mary Oliver 5 Leavey .15 By James Hooper 3 Do .45 June 6th (1736) By Jno Gardner 3 Do & last year .36 By Sherrad Tinsley .15 By my own leavies 5 Do .75 3.6 By Robt Macay 1 Do 12 .55 By William Basigpan .45 By David Tyree 1 Leavey .15 By Jno Haejtin 2 Do .30 By Meekan James 1 Do .15 Credit 2.4.8
Magazine of Virginia Genealogy – beginning with Vol 34 – 1996 #3 – continuing series
Merchant’s Account Book: Hanover Co., Va. 1743-1744 – Francis Jerdone, merchant.
Abstracted by Edgar MacDonald for the Virginia Geneaogical Society –
Hanover 1 Oct 1743 – list of debts due to the Cargo of Neill Buchanan of London –
Nathaniel Anderson, deceased
Charles Anderson
Robert Anderson
Nelson Anderson
Bartelott Anderson
James Anderson
Capt. Thomas Anderson
Jane Anderson
Matthew Anderson
Robert McCoy & Bartelott Anderson by Mr. Thomson
Charity Anderson
Nathan Anderson
Magazine of Virginia Genealogy – beginning with Vol 34 – 1996 #3 – continuing series
Merchant’s Account Book: Hanover Co., Va. 1743-1744 – Francis Jerdone, merchant.
Abstracted by Edgar MacDonald for the Virginia Geneaogical Society –
Mrs. Charity Anderson in Hanover
1743 – 1 pr womens shoes, 2 quarts rum, 3 pint mugs, 1 chamberpot, 2 sauce pans
1744 – Contra – 90 lbs beef
This record identifying her as Mrs. clearly indicates she was a widow as she is listed in the precessioning rolls and if she was single she would be a Miss.
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Additional notes on Pouncey Anderson from my previous “diggings” show the following:
” 3. Pouncey7 Anderson (Richard6, Robert5, Robert4, Richard3, “York Watershed”2, “Colonial Virginia”1) (Source: William Pope Anderson, Anderson Family Records, (W. F. Schaeffer & Co., Cincinnati, Ohio; 1936).) was born Bef. 1704 in New Kent County, Virginia, and died August 1781 in Louisa County, Virginia. He married Elizabeth Holland. She was born Abt. 1705, and died Bef. 1796 in Louisa County, Virginia.
Notes for Pouncey Anderson:
Pouncey Anderson was believed by William Pope Anderson to be a grandson of Robert Anderson I, but no researcher to date has been able to prove from which son. Of the six candidate fathers of the second generation, Robert, John, Matthew, Thomas, Richard and David we actually only know the children of Thomas from his 1757 will in Albemarle. Other evidence suggests the children of Robert, John, Matthew and David and therefore I have assigned Pouncey to Richard because Pouncey named a son Richard. In addition the Holland family and Pouncey family precessioned land in 1731 and 1739 in St. Paul’s parish adjacent Richard Anderson, whom I believe to be the son of Richard Anderson senior. An examination of the widow of Richard Anderson, Charity Anderson, should be made to see if she was a Pouncey, in 1731 St. Paul’s parish vestry book precessioning records she is listed in a small precinct wtih Anthony Pouncey. Charity was a common Christian family name for the Pounceys.
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more coming~~~Laurie
From VA land patents:
Pouncey Anderson
08/17/1725 400 acres Hanover County
patents Book 12/Page 234
both sides of Hinson’s Creek.
1728 adj. William Chamberlayne
January 4, 1733/4
John Nickols of St. Martin’s Parish to Pouncey Anderson
188a eastside Taylor’s Creek
witness Nelson Anderson, Hardin Burnley & Anthony Nickols
4 Oct 1734 Thomas Dalton and Pouncey Anderson bond of Dalton to adm. on est. of Wm. Scholler
Nov 1734 Edward Nix gave bond to adm on est of Thomas Gibson Dcd. He gave as security “Anthony Pouncy” who signed himself Pouncy Anderson
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1763 TITHABLES:
Bartlett Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 150
David Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 1244
Benjamin Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 150
Thomas Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 335 acres
Sarah Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 210 “
Henry Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 201
Nelson Anderson Hanover Co 1763 672
Pouncey Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 1114
Richard Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 200
Robert Anderson Hanover Co. 1763 721 & 213
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From Research and collections of Linda G. Cheek, 247 Cross Hill Road, Easley, SC 29640-8857
E-Mail: LGCheek@Aol.com
David Johnson appraiser of the estate of Nicholas Johnson 1766 with Pouncey Anderson. A suit in Louisa Co VA 12 Aug 1766 between Richard Anderson, Richard Johnson and John Boswell petitioners VS Thomas Johnson adm of Nicholas Johnson.
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Pouncey Anderson d. Aug 1781 Louisa Co VA m. Elizabeth Holland d. 22 Nov 1794 Louisa Co VA Will 7 July 1791 prov 8 Dec 1794 d/o Michael Holland
Estate of Pouncey Anderson. After decease of his widow Elizabeth Anderson on 22 November past (1794) Dated 11 Jan 1795 Sg: James
Dabney Exor. Rec. 12 Jan 1795. Louisa Co VA Will Bk 3 pg 582
Anderson Family Records by William Pope Anderson, Press of W.F. Schaeffer & Co., Cincinatti, Ohio, 1936
page 46 contains a full transcript of his will
Will of Pouncey Anderson of St Martins Parish 28 Jan 1781 Rec. 13 Aug 1781
Wife Elizabeth Son Richard, Michael, children of my daughter Judith Dabney.
To my daughter Judith Dabney 260 acres purchased of Owen Dabney on Taylors Creek.
To my great grandaughter Ann Anderson Johnson d/o Christopher and Elizabeth Johnson.
To grandchildren, children of Richard and Mary Anderson: Frances, Mary, Judith, Richard, Christian (grandaughter) and Jane Anderson.
To children of Michael and Sarah Anderson my grandchildren: Thomas, Ann, Pouncey, Wm Reuben, Edmund and Richard Anderson.
To children of James and Judith Dabney my grandchildren: Elizabeth Johnson, Cicely Dabney, Ann Anderson Dabney, Wm Dabney, Mary and Charity Dabney.
Exors: wife Elizabeth Anderson and sons Richard and Michael Anderson and son-in-law James Dabney.
Wit: Nathan Sims, Mary Sims and Samuel Dabney.
Louisa Co VA Will Bk 2 pg 379
Notes for Elizabeth Holland:
Will of Elizabeth Holland Anderson (wife of Pouncey) 7 July 1791 Rec. 8
Dec 1794 Parish of St. Martins:
Sons: Michael Anderson, Richard Anderson then to his son Richard Anderson
Daughters: Judith Dabney wife of James Dabney
Grandchildren: Richard son of Michael Anderson, Thomas M., Pouncey, Reuben,
Edmund and David Anderson, Ann Thomson wife of Edmund Thomson and Elizabeth
Anderson children of Michael Anderson. Elizabeth wife of Matthew Anderson,
Frances Holland wife to Christopher Holland, Mary Woodson wife to John
Woodson, Kitty Perkins wife to Robert Perkins, Judith, Jane, Susannah,
Richard, Ann, Shandy and Joseph Anderson children of Richard Anderson.
Cisley Shelton wife to Thomas Shelton, Ann Hardin wife to Thomas Hardin,
Polly Dabney, Charity Dabney, and William Dabney children of Judith wife of
James Dabney, Exors: son Michael Anderson, James Dabney and grandson Thomas
W. Anderson. Sg: Elizabeth Anderson X. Wit: John Thomson, Zacheriah
Pulliam. Louisa Co VA Will Bk 3 pg 572
Goochland County WIlls 1742-1749, page 222
10/10/1746 will of Michael Holland names dau Elizabeth Anderson and son-in-law Puncey Anderson
Children of Pouncey Anderson and Elizabeth Holland are:
+ 6 i. Michael8 Anderson, born Bet. 1735 – 1744 in Hanover County, Virginia; died 1797 in Louisa County, Virginia.
+ 7 ii. Richard Anderson, born 1735; died August 17, 1819 in Louisa County, Virginia.
+ 8 iii. Judith Anderson, born March 12, 1740/41 in Hanover County, Virginia; died Aft. 1781 in Louisa County, Virginia.”
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*Note: this initially caught my eye because as mentioned above, this Pouncey Anderson had recieved land from a John Nickols which was witnessed by an Anthony Nickols…and well, Nichols is my primary maternal surname. Additionally, the surname Anderson, as it relates perhaps to Cuzzie nee Anderson who MD John Jack Cole was another lil inkling that led me down this path to Pouncey…I still have no concise idea of how all of these “players” fit but there just seems to be a ruminating connection between many of these folks….the Anderson’s, Nichols(sp), Collins & Gibsons. What ultimately led me to this Anderson surname info was a search I did for surname Nichols spelled as NUCKOLLS…a spelling variation that some feel strongly was the origin of my VA descended Nichols line…I happened upon a Nuckolls Rootsweb archive and just started scouring thru them all and bumped into info about Pouncey and the other Andersons. The Nuckolls archive post link can be located at URL:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NUCKOLLS/2003-02
To read the Anderson family information in it’s entirety go to URL:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~anderson/va/trees/richard1.html
Hope this info helps to some measure…maybe eventually we’ll be able to string all of these surname families together eh? Happy hunting~~~Laurie
Cleland,
Hello cousin! I also am from the Collins/Gibson line in Hancock, Hawkins Co. Tenn. Louisa Co, and suspected Orange Co NC. I do not have my geneology with me right now. My daughter has it. But I will tell you what I do know off the top of my head. My Gibson Collins line. My grandfather is Russell Gibson,son of Hallie and Leonard Gibson, Son of Elizabeth Gibson and ? (Could be a Mcnally, Golden, or Roberts/Roberds) Daughter of Shepard (Old Buck) Gibson and Margaret (Spanish Peggy) Collins-Gibson. Now from there, with out my paperwork I am trying to remember. I think it goes Thomas Gibson jr was Sheps dad, then of Course Thomas Sr, who was the son of a Charles (?) All the B and D deaths and Counties are at my daughters right now tho. My Gibsons also migrated notrth into KY, settling into Berea and Richmond. My grandfather moved his family up here to Cincinnati when my father was a young teen. He is 71 now. Anything click with you here?
hello
I am too researching my family’s history and my great grand mother’s name was Minnie Gibson .
She was from South Carolina and I was told by a geneologists that the Gibson’s were free blacks that intermarried with mostly Cherokee peoples .
I have a pitcure of her and you can see that she looks at lease half indian if not whole. Hopes this helps
tia
There were also Saponi families by the name of Gibson. The Saponi are documented as moving in with the SC Catawba at one point. Some theorize that later, after the tribe had disbanded according to the government, that some survivors merged with the Catawba. There is one family that migrated out to Ohio who originated from Hillsborough, NC, I believe it was, who nonetheless called themselves Catawba. There have been other instances of this, making me think that a merger of sorts took place, with Saponi descendants identifying themselves as Catawba.
If you google jfgibson, you will find the Jsoeph Fisher Gibson Family. It shows the lineage from Joseph Fisher Gibson to several generations. My Aunt, Thelma Banks, was married to Elmo Gibson who is a direct descendant of Joseph Fisher Gibson of Sneedville, Tennessee. They lived on Newman’s Ridge.
Hamilton Gibson came to Knott County, Ky. from Newman’s Ridge. He was known as Ham. One of Ham’s sons was James Gibson. One of James’ sons was Theodore Roosevelt Gibson. Roosevelt had a son named Elmo.
Sincerely, Ben Banks.
Hello Ben,
I noticed your post mentioning Joseph Fisher Gibson. I had sent a link to your post to a Gibson/Collins researcher who is a descendent of Joseph Fisher Gibson. She is not a member of the forum, but asked me to post this:
“Hamilton Gibson was born in VA on December 28, 1931 and died on January 10, 1919 in Knott co., KY. Death Certificate F6983. His mother was Marinda Gibson and his father was James Gibson. James Gibson was the son of Joseph Fisher Gibson. I was the person who provided the Joseph Fisher information for the website Joseph Fisher is my gr gr grandfather.
I am constantly in contact with the Hamilton Gibson family. I will be glad to provide you whatever help I can if you will send your descent. I am not a member of the Saponi board, however, my e-mail is “
Don Collins
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