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[Discussion on this family was brought to this section from a thread at http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1353]
Linda J.,
As a starting point, I’ll list Bill & Arlene Guy in 1930 to show that Arlene was also known as “Irene”, their children proving this is who she is:
1930 Scott Co., Va Census – ED2 DeKalb District; 22 April; Sheet 11B, visit 220, 220; (all persons and their parents were born in Va unless otherwise noted):
GUY, Bill; Head; m, W, 38, m, 21; Farming.
……, IRENE; wife; f, W, 28, m, 20.
……, Grover; son; m, W, 4.
……, Charlie; son; m, W, 3.
……, Bonnie; dau; f, W, 8/12.
Bill m’d at age 21, 17 years earlier than 1930, so this is probably his second marriage. “Irene”/Arlene m’d at age 20, only 8 years earlier in about 1922.
(I’ll post the GUY line later.)
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Arlene said she was a COLLINS.
1920 Wise Co., Va Census – ED169 Gladesville District, Tacoma (town); 9 March; pg. 107A; visit 8, 8:
COLLINS, Patrick; Head; m, W, 50, marr’d. Miner(?), Coal Mine.
………….., Callie; Wife; f, W, 29, marr’d.
………….., IREENA; dau; f, W, 18, single.*******
………….., Phillip; son; m, W, 4, single.
Arlene/Irene’s “sister” Callie may not have been born by 1920 or she regarded her stepmother Callie as a sister. I haven’t found Pat’s family in 1930 so can’t say for sure.
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1910 Scott Co., Va Census – ED69 Floyd District, P.O.: Estillville; 22 April; pg.91A; visit 39, 39:
COLLINS, Patrick; Head; m, W, 35; m2, 2; Farmer.
………….., Callie; Wife; f, W, 19; m1, 2, 0/0.
………….., Grover; son; m, W, 10.
………….., Maudie; dau; f, W, 8.
………….., Arlene; dau; f, W, 7.*******
This is Pat’s 2nd marriage and Callie’s first and she has had no children so she’s not Arlene’s mother. Pat and Callie have been marr’d for 2 years.
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Suspend any judgement that you knew anything about “Race”.
1900 Scott Co., Va Census; ED62 DeKalb District; 22 June; pg.202A;
Visit 275, 280 (Patrick’s parents):
COLLINS, Enoch; Head; B, m, Jan 1835; 65, m, 40; Farmer.
………….., Ludemia; Wife; B, f, Feb 1840; 60, m, 40, 4/4.
Enoch and Ludemia have been marr’d 40 years. Ludemia has had 4 children and 4 are still living.
Visit 283, 288:
COLLINS, Patrick; Head; B, m, Jan 1876, 24, m, 4; Farmer.
………….., Laura; Wife; B, f, Mar 1880, 20, m, 4, 2/2.
………….., Grover; son; B, m, June 1898, 2.
………….., Maud; dau; B, m, July 1899, 11/12.
(Pat & Laura have been marr’d 4 yrs and Laura has had 2 children. Laura is the Laura Bell that Arlene spoke of. Laura Bell must have died between 1903 and 1908.)
The following COLLINS’ households (Pat’s cousins) are listed as visit #s:
287, 292: Robert Collins; b.Jan 1879, 21, farmer.
289, 294: Marshal Collins; b.Jan 1878, 22, farmer.
289, 294: Feby (sic: Phebe) Collins, b.Aug 1843, 56, widowed.
(she is a GIBSON)
290, 295: Benton Collins; b.June 1878, 21, farmer.
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1880 Scott Co., Va Census – ED73 Floyd District; 5 June; pg.175D; visit 58, 59:
COLLINS, Enoch; Mu, m, 39; Head. farmer.
………….., Ludemia; Mu, f, 50; wife.
………….., Washington; Mu, m, 14; son.
………….., Elbert; Mu, m, 11; son.
………….., PATRICK; Mu, m, 7; son.
(Enoch and Ludemia’s ages are probably listed here incorrectly.)
(Enoch’s parents are both listed as born in Tenn, and that may be true.)
1880 Wise Co., Va Census – ED104 Lipps District; 21 June; pg.327C; (Laura Bell Collins and her parents.)
Visit 165, 165:
COLLINS, Isaac; Mu, m, 23, farmer.
………….., Mourning; Mu, f, 21, Wife.
………….., LAURA BELL; Mu, f, 1, dau.*******
(Isaac Collins marr’d Mourning SEXTON on 17 January 1878 in Scott Co., Va. More on Mourning later, but her mother and grandmother are GIBSONs and her grt-grandmother may have been also.)
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Now, hold onto your hat for one of those complicated situations that we all know well….
Parents of Isaac Collins, b.abt.1853 OR abt.1857:
1860 Scott Co., Va Census; P.O.: Estillville, Va; 4 Sept; pg.197;
Visit 1284, 1284:
Thornsbery COLLINS, 27, m, – , farmer, $0, $15.
Chaney……………….., 26, f, – .
ISAAC………………….., 7, m, – .*******
Sarah………………….., 5, f, – .
Ichabod……………….., 2, m, – .
(Thornsbery’s wife Chaney’s parents are Cyrus (“Sirius”) GIBSON, b.abt. 1815 Va; and Courtney ROSE, b.abt. 1820 Va., per the 1850 Scott Co., Va Census; pg.413B, visit 849.
Chaney’s sister Lucinda Gibson, b.abt. 1840, marr’d on 13 Feb 1858 John I. SEXTON, and are the parents of Mourning Sexton who marr’d Isaac Collins.)
Same census, Visit 1281, 1281 (Thornsbery’s and Enoch Collins parents & siblings):
John COLLINS, 50, m, – , farmer, $0, $40.
Matilda……….., 40, f, – .
Phebe…………, 20, f, – .
Elizabeth…….., 18, f, – .
Eliza……………, 16, f, – .
Martin…………., 14, m, – .
Cinda………….., 11, f, – .
Josaphine……., 8/12, f, – .
Visit 1282, 1282 (Enoch Collins and 1st wife)
Enoch COLLINS, 23, m, – , farmer, $0, $30.*******
Marinda…………, 20, f, – .
Winfield S………, 3, m, – .
Harriet………….., 1, f, – .
(I haven’t found Marinda’s family.)
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1850 Scott Co., Va Census; Western Division; 28 August; pg.421A, Visit 246, 246:
John COLLINS, 31, m, – , farmer, $0.
Matilda……….., 30(?)(50?), f, – . (age probably incorrect.)
Peggy…………., 22, f, – .
William K………, 21, m, – .
Phebe…………., 19, f, – .
THORNSBERRY.., 17, m, – .*******
ENOCH…………., 16, m, – .*******
Elizabeth………., 14, f, – .
Eliza…………….., 12, f, – .
Lucinda…………., 5, f, – .
Malinda…………., 2, f, – .
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I didn’t find any of the Collins or Gibsons in 1870, but they may be in Russell or Lee Co, Va., or Hawkins Co., Tenn.
I’ll continue working on this as time permits. I “predict” that these are descendants of our Thomas Collins and Thomas Gibson.
As such, they are related to many of us here.
Bill
Linda J.,
Haven’t found Bill Guy except for the 1930 listing.
My candidate for Bill Guy, a William T. Guy, b.abt.1896 next door in Washington Co., doesn’t work.
There is a William Guy in 1920 Scott Co., ED92 Gates City, but he is listed as 38 which is 10 yrs older than your Bill Guy should be.
Bill
Linda J.,
Patrick COLLINS’ 2nd wife Callie, was likely the younger sister of his 1st wife Laura Bell.
Callie COLLINS, b. Apr 1890, is listed as the Daughter of Isaac and Mourning (Gibson) COLLINS on the 1900 Wise Co., Va census, ED123 Gladesville District, pg2B, visit 30.
I’m still working on some of the other questions you asked.
Bill
That makes sense about Callie. The neice’s had found some papers with her name on them after Arlene passed away. They thought that Callie was Arlene’s mother the way the papers were made out. I didn’t see them, but it must have been the marriage license for Pat and Callie.
Bill Guy is another matter. I was told that there are some of the Guy family buried in the cemetery at Gate City, VA (Scott Co.) I haven’t been able to find him on ANY census of the area, and I joined Ancestry for just that reason! After several years of searching I think God dropped him out of the sky full grown! :p
My line is also from Collins’s that settled around Wise Co., VA. Although I can’t say that any of the line listed is related to my Collins’s, I also have Gibson’s in my line by marriage.
Anyway, might I have a suggestion? The Historical Society in the town of Wise, VA is a wonderful source of information. Early birth, death and cemetary records, along with individual family research. I live in Fl, but have made numerous trips to Wise, just to do research there. Mr. Paul Kilgore at the society has been able to locate marriage records that I had search for 5 years to no avail on my own. What a blessing this place has been to me in my desire to KNOW my ancestry.
I would highly recommend contacting them with you family questions, as Collins and Gibson surnames are very, very numerous in Wise & Scott Co. You can contact them at ;
PO Box 368
Wise, VA 24293 or
http://www.wisevahistoricalsoc.org/
Good luck with your research.
I have attached picture of Arlena Collins/Guy Born 1896, Died 1988.
Sorry
I guess it didn’t get in. Need to figure out how first.
Linda
Linda Guy:
You have to email it to the forum leader, Linda. She has the permissions needed to upload it.
Techteach
Bill Guy has proven to be a really tough nut to crack.
I’ve taken a lot of shots at this but still haven’t exhausted all the spelling variations, I’m sure.
Hope you can get that picture of Arlena to Linda Carter to post.
Bill
I did send the picture to Linda before I tried to post it, as she asked if I had one. I haven’t heard from her to know if she received it.:confused:
I see that Bill Guy will be my brick wall. Very little was said about him in the family. He was supposed to be from the Gate City area is the only information given.
A little overview for any newcomers — all these names, Guy, Gibson and Collins are very much core names in the genealogy of the remnants of the VA/NC Siouan tribes. I belive all three are documented to tribal Saponi (aka VA/NC Siouan). And there are only six such names. So I guess it’s no surprise Arlene looks as she does. It certainly gratifies me that she identified herself as Blackfoot! 🙂
Hello Everyone, just a quik note, can we be pointed to a single source of SAponi core names, a reference.
ASwell when do the firdst Collins-Gibson families show up, the first appearance of thier names.
I wanted to let you know I have found my husbands sister Bonnie!:D I will be picking her brain this coming weekend. Bill Guy is listed on the marriage certificate with Arlena as William Bill Guy, and he also was divorced. I’ll get copies of these papers when I go down this weekend. Oh, and Bill Guy WAS Native American also!
All these little clues coming out about him, finally! Maybe these will help find where he’s from and who his parents were. 😀
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