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Howdy Bee….nope…I am referring to Richard Carlson…he attends the yearly reunion in MI….saw Rich H just last weekend at the Pow Wow but we didn’t chat alot about family Collins….busy weekend! Take care Bee~~~~Laurie
Oh, ok. Thanks, Laurie.
Did you guys see the news about the Lumbee being a step closer to federal recognition? I hope they get approved. Am tired of hearing (reading) people using, “Oh, they’re not a real tribe anyway” as an excuse for putdowns.
Guess that’s one of the things that makes recognition desirable, although in some cases it does not stop the riffs.
I didn’t hear about that yet Bee…although now I have thanks to you…LOL….I saw a few Lumbee at the PW last weekend in fact…and some Cree too…and one fellow who I am almost certain was Cherokee….was a nice intimate smallish group…weather turned out to be lovely and I did get to dance in honor/memory of Aubrey and Brenda! That was just awesome….and after that dance that Cherokee drum fellow came up to me and said: “There is a whole lot of healing going on here tonite isn’t there?”
I couldn’t have agreed more. Met some new cousins too and bought soem nice gifts for my little ones. Anywho….got off topic…thanks bee…take care~~~Laurie
Collins,
Thanks for starting this link…where have I been:o
Moreover, thanks for the link. I too, would like to share the letter I sent; I made it short and sweet (maybe not so).
To Whom It May Concern,
I am writing to express my concern as to the criteria needed to become a Federally Recognized Tribe. My concern it that I have seen this process break up families and clans, as well as cause family information to be purposefully hidden or skewed, which makes it almost impossible for those trying to prove tribal affiliation. What I have seen of the process thus far is not to bring together and strengthen a culture, but to pull it apart, thus, destroying it.
My personal story is the same as many who are officially unaffiliated with a recognized tribe; however, many documents and books have been written about my ancestors. Moreover, they were also enumerated as Mulatto and Free Person of Color in census records, as well as written statements stating they appeared to be Native American.
I would like to see the recognition process changed to reunite tribes, clans and families and bring back a culture, which has been on a steady decline since the first reservation was formed.
Sincerely,
Shirley Marroquin
collins wrote: Thanks for the compliment Jack, hope I get an A on that in my English Comp I class. It was my final research paper and as I was writing it I discovered the senate committee and figured, well I’m mad as hell about it all so why not voice it with my essay as a letter.
Beeleaf: quote,”Been awhile since last reading that letter. Thanks for the refresher. I wonder how certain he was of using the word “all”. There is a Collins researcher who has written a book (which includes my family) who seems to disagree. She says they were English, but married some Indian women. She did not know there were Collins in Orange County NC or Pittsylvania CO, VA before her family arrived in Pittsylvania Co, so am not sure what to make of it.”
I know about some in the Collins family that flat out refuse to believe that the Collins were Indian. They argue the wrong piont. They have it stuck in their head that we couldn’t have been Indian before a certain piont. I disagree with that assessment. I also disagree with the Pennsylvania material for an orgin of our Collins. There is just no proof of it for my line of Collinses and DNA has prooven the link between Old Thomas and John Collins father to my David Collins of 1750 and we know that John,William, and Samuel Collins were brothers and sons of Old Thomas.
The information that often is cited that the Collins were purley English goes back to the incorrect line of John Collins of Bertie County, N.C. Martha Dempsy IS NOT David Collins of 1750’s mother.
See the following information Bill Childs provides to follow.
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Originally Posted by Bill Childs
Most of these questions have been answered and are posted on saponitown.
There are two David Collins and people have copied obviously contradictory information.
The “other one” was born abt. 1758 Bertie Co., NC, and is still there in 1790, 1800 and 1810 census records. Bertie Co is in eastern NC.
His parents are Joseph Collins (1790 & 1800 Bertie Co Census), b.1726 Bertie NC, d. 1802 Bertie NC who m’d Elizabeth Bennett Penny. This Joseph left a Will in Bertie, writted 2 June 1799, naming his children.
Joseph Collins’s parents are purported to be John Collins, b.1690 Nansemond Va, d. 1 Feb 1751/2 Bertie NC who m’d Martha Dempsey. This line is white on all records.
At the time this Collins family line is documented to be in Bertie Co., NC, the group comprising David Collins, b.1750, is documented as being in western Virginia and later in western NC – a long way from Bertie Co.
While I like to keep an open mind, the reference to a David Collins, b.1750 in “Grayson Co., Va” with a mother Martha Dempsey is factually in error on a number of accounts, having been confused with the David Collins of Bertie Co., NC, whose grandmother is purported to be Martha Dempsey.
1) Grayson didn’t exist until 1793 when it was created from Wythe Co., Va.
2) The David Collins, b.1750, is listed on the 1790 Wilkes Co., NC census along with Ambrose, George, Hardy (Vardy?), Martin and Valentine Collins as well as Joel, Archibald, Ezekiel, Jordan & Andrew Gibson and Jo. Nicols, Jesse Bolin (and Henry Hardin). This, at the same time the “other one” is listed on the Bertie Co census.
3) Rowan County North Carolina Marriage Bonds:
1 Oct 1772. David Collins and Thompsey Posting.
Bondsmen: Henry Zeody, Alex Brown.
4) Who are the parents of David, b.1750? John Collins the Saponi (1742 Orange Co., Va Court Records) is an excellent candidate but as they were “living as Indians in Virginia” having “stolen” the Collins surname for their use and recorded as living on “Indian Lands” in an area west of Montgomery Co., Va, I doubt you can prove it in as direct a way as you would in more recent times with white people.
5) Please read some of the documented background listed as links in the “Share Historical Research” section of saponitown….here are a couple…
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvnichol/bd…emttocross.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1…latt_river.htm
(this last URL didn’t wrap properly – I’ll see if I can get it to work)
There are more.
There’s no doubt you’ll get an “A”:) great work!
beeleaf wrote: Shirley,
That’s an excellent letter.
The length even fit my attention span. ;~)
Thanks Bee:) I have learned certain things need to be short and to the point, else the point may get lost…
Blessings,
Shirley
Jack Adkins wrote: I wonder where we can go to find out what conclusions this committee has come to, if any?
Jack,
Good question…I wonder if Collins will be able to fill us in??
Shirley
I found a blog that should report on it, apparently — but hasn’t done so. (From the site of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs itself, I can’t see any evidence that the hearing actually happened. There was supposed to be a webcast, but it doesn’t play on my computer.) Anyway, this blog has a lot of links along the left side that might lead to some interesting stuff. I don’t have time to pursue it. It’s pretty specific to Virginia Indians that are already recognized — but the Monacans are among them, and therefore (I hope and trust) Eastern Siouan issues are not completely ignored.
http://jurisprudence-va-indians.blogspot.com/search/label/Oversight%20%20Hearing
PappyDick wrote: I found a blog that should report on it, apparently — but hasn’t done so. (From the site of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs itself, I can’t see any evidence that the hearing actually happened. There was supposed to be a webcast, but it doesn’t play on my computer.) Anyway, this blog has a lot of links along the left side that might lead to some interesting stuff. I don’t have time to pursue it. It’s pretty specific to Virginia Indians that are already recognized — but the Monacans are among them, and therefore (I hope and trust) Eastern Siouan issues are not completely ignored.
http://jurisprudence-va-indians.blogspot.com/search/label/Oversight%20%20Hearing
Thanks Pappy for the link…will check it out:)
Shirley
Check it out!
http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096417324
Kudos to cousin Scott for such a well written letter~~~Laurie
Makes a persons heart feel real good when someone stands up and speaks the good words. Now if those with a good ear will listen and see the way?
Something that might help : Understanding The History of Tribal Enrollment
…. By Nora Livesay …. http://www.airpi.org/pubs/enroll.html ….. or make you mad?
BlondeyeLaurie wrote: Check it out!
http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096417324
Kudos to cousin Scott for such a well written letter~~~Laurie
Thanks Laurie for posting Scott’s letter…well said Scott!
Shirley
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