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http://home.fuse.net/genealogy/cornblossom.html
Interesting to check out this tree and see where these people were born. NO INDIANS IN KENTUCKY…….ya right…….
At the above website it says —
Sources that have been very helpful:
Angela Arnett, Gretta Spradlin, descendants of Cornblossom
Library at Monticello, Wayne Co., KY
Kenneth T. Coffey book “Legend’s of The Che-nee River People”
Betty Rainwater Craig, Ellen Minton Meece
Several sites on the internet, through Family Tree Maker and Rootsweb.
North Georgia internet site
Alene New’s book Precious Memories
Notes of Margaret Mounce-internet
Coats Family Blueprints-internet
Stray Leaves by Eric James internet site
Anyone ever heard of “Legend of the Che Nee Paople”? or know where any of the other websites are located. I have neve seen any proof that Cornblossom ever existed, altho this photo it “evidence”. That is an interesting photograph, and I sure wish whoever had found it had not asked anonymity.
I also wish people with this evidence could get to gether with Cherokees and discuss it logically. Many Cherokee who are asked about this will not even talk to you (or will say “there were no Cherokee in Kentucky” before hanging up on you) and some of those who say “there WERE Cherokee perminantly living in Kentucky” will accuse those seeking indisputable for proof of her existence of many things too.
Everyone will admit Cherokee used Kentucky as hunting grounds, even going there in the Spring and leaving after Corn was harvested and dried in the fall. After the Treaty of Grenville (1794 or 5) the Ohio Cherokee went south to the Cherokee Nation never to return to the North (including Kentucky) even for hunting, in any numbers.
I have tried everything for the past year I can to find proof of Cornblossom’s existence, and have come up with nothing. I suspect until historical documents show up this lack of credibility will not go away. The author of that website also says he/she has no proof.
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What a nice site!
There must be proof somewhere that Corn Blossom was a real person, Iam sure it’s out there, perhaps she was listed by her Cherokee name and not the English one. As for Cherokee people in Kentucky, I see why not, many of the Shawnee-Cherokee people were and are there so why not, ?
Has anyone heard that Sequoia’s diary does exist?
howdy Tom,
I’d love to see a copy of any diary of Sequoyah. If it exists, It might have something in it about my family — but with my luck it won’t. 🙂
Here is a photo I was recently given of an ancestor, Hariet [Guess] Brown — family story says she was Sequoyah’s niece or great niece, b. 1818 d. 1886. The baby is my great grandma, Josephine Brown.
I was given the photo by Carla Davenport, whom I found online. Her husband’s grandma was Etta Richey Davenport, grandma’s oldest sister. Carla told me when her husband’s grandma (my Great Aunt Ettie) died in the 1960s, she saw many old tin types being thrown out and she saved them, one was the one attached. She told me Etta had showed her this photo and told her who was on it, and so I kept begging her (emailing her once ever 2 months with the same request) for a copy of it and she finally sent it through snail mail. I scanned it and hopefully it will attach itself here.
Harriet’s daughter, Josephine Brown (1854-1932) married Jeffrey Hoten Richey in 1872 and they moved from Arkansas to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) that same year. Jeff was raised by his Uncle Hamilton Richey, and Hamilton has a son who married a Rainwater girl in the 1880s. You’ll see the surname “Rainwater” in the “sources” of that website mentioning Cornblossom that Brenda brings up here. Hugh Rainwater was the Pastor (Methodist Episcopal South) who married Josephine Brown and Jeffrey Hoten Richey in Arkansas. We can document these things.
Well I see no attachment. I have used the “edit” option” (I am using it now) and it tells me the attachment hariet guess brown 3.jpg is ALREADY attached . . . so I don’t know what to do to make it show up. I had to keep making it smaller and smaller (which means the resolution is not as good) until it finally told me it had uploaded.
Linda, I need help. 🙂
Anyhow, Doublehead was Sequoyah’s Uncle, and unverified family story says Hariet was Sequoyah’s niece or great niece. Sequoyah lived until about 1843 and Hariet Guess was born in 1818 so they may have known each other. We can show the man we think was Hariet’s father (his name is written “Thomas Gist”) was about 7 miles from Sequoyah’s cabin near the Ok/Ark border in 1828, but that is about all we can do. We can’t prove a family connection, and we can’t prove Thomas even was her father. We know Thomas and Nancy Gist married 1818 near where Hariet’s Husband’s family (lands in North Alabama that were ceded in the same year 1818 from the Cherokee and Chickasaw — it was jointly claimed by both) was and they had a daughter Harriets age on an early census. On Harriet’s marriage license, her surname is spelled “Guess”. Her husband was recorded as David B. Brown.
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ps — I have placed 3 photos here before (with Linda’s help). Two Richey Boys” — they’d be the sons of Josephine Brown, who is the baby in what I hope will be displayed here soon. Hariet was their maternal grandma. The father of the “Two Richey boys” was Jeffrey Hoten Richey, and Rev. Jonathan Wayland (whose photo was also uploaded) was Jeff’s mother’s cousin. Jeff’s mom’s maiden name was Sarah Ann Wayland, cousin to Reverend Jonathan Wayland. That is how the photos fit together.
http://home.fuse.net/genealogy/cornblossom.html
Also at that website it says, speaking of Doublehead’s murder, it says —
Suddenly, Ridge blew out the candle in the Tavern and fired a shot at Doublehead which shattered his jaw. Having thought they killed him, they slipped out into the dark.
However, they soon learned the tavernkeeper had moved the wounded Chief to his house and then again to the loft of a Mr. Black, who taught in Gideon Blackburn’s school. By then, two men from Bone Polisher’s clan had joined them and together they rushed the room where Doublehead lay. As they approached, the wounded chief sprang up, drew a dirk, and tried to draw a pistol but was caught up in the sheet around him. Both Ridge and Saunders leveled their guns at him but misfired. Doublehead then grappled with Ridge but Saunders drove his tomahawk into Doublehead’s skull so hard that it took two hands and a foot to pry it loose.
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It speaks of a school teacher named “Mr. Black”. That was Jonathan Black, and I have been searching for more information about him for some time, but don’t seem to find anything. He taught at that Presbytarian School in Hiwassee where Doublehead was killed, and Gideon Blackburn was the man who ofunded that school. Apparently before dying Doublehead went to Mr Black’s house seeking refuge, implying maybe Doublehead or his friends knew Jonathan Black. Brainard Mission at Creekpath was also a Presbytarian Mission, so I assume Blackburn and Black may have known many Cherokee “Brown’s”, as many Cherokee Brown’s are associated with Brainard and later with Dwight Mission in Ark/Ok, which were Presbytarian Missions. My ancestors John Brown married Polly Black in 1820. I have researched Blackburn’s school and it seems to have been in existence between 1804 and 1814. My ancestor David B Brown was born @ 1820. He was son of John and Polly (Black) Brown.
David was husband to Harriet Guess, and are my great great grandparents. I was wondering who Jonathan Black’s wife and children were. I can’t find any records of them anywhere. I am pretty sure Jonathan was a White man, but he may have had a Cherokee wife, so he might have had half-Cherokee children since he lived in Hiwassee for about 10 years at least I think. Any information about Jonathan Black would be appreciated. Might be a dead end, but ya never know . . . 🙂
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You can send me the images in an email and I’ll publish them, but it may take awhile. I’m having computer problems.
Hey Vance that diary is supposed to be in California I belive at the Los Angeles co. Museum of Natural history , I think I’ll double check , actually an old Anth. from the coast told me about it, I can’t recall his name, but he couldn’t find it in the archives and he said that it was probably in the the library; check back with me in a bit and I’ll see what Ic an do.
I have heard of the Blackburns they were from N. Ga and were affiliated some how with the Hardins from over there , probably through the Methodist Church is my guess.
It’s be some time since I looked into that.
Ps, that Anth was the late Norman Feder, he had sent me a bunch of slides form The cherokees, these were in that museum , I gave my letters to a U. library and will ahve to check if someone can clarify my thoughts. The moccasins may have once belonged to Sequoia, seam that the museum claimed to have several items blonging to him.
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