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Lewis, I can think of a couple of other tribes — Natchez — who eventually mixed with Chictaw and Chickasaw — and Caddo, who were in NW La. Also the Quapaw were in E Ar along the western side of the Mississippi River.
I might take the racial test some time, too, so I’ll be curious as to what it says.
vance
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/tree_g-1.html#36014
There is a picture of grandma, dad, my 2 sisters, mom, dad with his 2 sisters and a photo of Uncle Eual Lee Hawkins, the one killed in Normandy.
If any of yall saw the photos of the 2 Richey Boys Linda put up taken about 1909-1910 — Hoten and Other, grandma (Loney Richey Hawkins) was their older sister.
Here are my Hawkins results
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hawkinsdnaproject/index.html
If you scroll down to “Other Hawkins participating in the project
that do not yet have a matching cousin:” you will see “36014” and
the field is blank. That would be my information if they ever place
it there . . . I don’t know why it is blank still. We are one mark off of group 3. Fields 3,4, and 5 for group 3 are 14, 11,11. Mine are
14,12,11. Otherwise my numbers are the same as group 3. But I was told that my field that mutated, fourth, is a very slow mutating field, meaning it probably occurred a long time ago, altho it could change in any generation. My y-chromosome halpo group is R1b — the most common European group there is I think it said.
vance
I’m also very interested in possibly getting tested. We always thought that my great-grandmother Viola Shortt (or Short), b. 1886 in Dickenson Co. Virginia, was half-Cherokee, but a great-uncle looked into it and felt fairly positive that she was “Eastern Blackfoot.”
Could anyone tell me, privately at spotter@mail.com if you prefer, how I’d go about the least expensive DNA testing? Is it through the Nat’l Geographic project?
Thanks much,
Suzanne
Hey, Spotter,
Nat’l Geographic looks like the most cost effective DNA method avalible today. It also appears to be the most qualitative available.
Hey, Lewis,
It’s easy for someone not in your shoes to say “don’t sweat it”, but ‘don’t sweat it’. Most of us are in your mocossins.
Unless we trace our people’s origins, we don’t know that they were “there” when we ‘think’ they were “there”. One or two generations in one place don’t ‘a place’ make.
Post, or send me, your familys’ known particulars and let’s explore who they may be.
Bill
Thanks much, Bill. You’re a wealth of information and very patient with this newbie.
Blessings,
Suzanne aka spotter – who wants SO badly for the Native oral tradition to be true
Did anyone catch the segment on the National Geographic project on the Today show yesterday? They did a pretty good job of explaining the project and DNA tests.
Techteach
I am ver yinterested in getting a dna test for myself and for my two daughters. They are both under 6 yrs. Is there a facility in Wash, DC?
Deirdre
The national geographic test is done through the mail. You send for the kit from http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic and take a sample and mail it in. They do the male and female test. You would only need to do the female test and only one. You and your daughters would have the same female markers, so the results for one of you would be the results for all of you.
Techteach
Had several tests done last month by dnatribes.com.
Results were delivered by e-mail and were downloaded into pdfs readable by Adobe Acrobat.
I believe (?) there are over 700 populations in their database.They match one’s DNA against said populations.
The 1st test listed my top 20 matches relative to native populations,global
populations,and world region.( 3 separate charts) Summing up,I showed strong matching with various African-American,Flemish,German, Guinea-Bissau,and Equatorial Guinea populations.
Because of my triracial background,I also had both African and Native American panels drawn also to show the top 20 matches in those categories.
The African panel showed highest matching with several Guinea-Bissau and Equatorial Guinea groups.
The Native American panel showed highest matching (trace possibility) to
3 Sioux-Chippewa groups in Minnesota.
The testing might not show exactly who one’s descended from since the
database only has 700 (?)+- populations listed.
Anyone else had experience with DNA Tribes?
Roca
Roca,
This is fascinating! In your Personal Profile here you say you are Mattaponi and likely Saponi. Saponi is the Siouan language and Mattaponi is an Algonquian language as the Chippewa.
Did you give them any information as to what you believed your NA to be prior to the test? If not this could seem to aid in tracing migration patterns of tribes. I hope to be tested someday. I won’t be at all surprised by any result. Thank you for sharing this with us here…Dianne
This would have been an Autosomal DNA test result.
You should do some independant research on this methodology before assuming anything.
vance hawkins wrote: Hi All,
Mrspatino,
This is not just to you but to many, it just so happens that you are the person who brought this up this time.
I am envious of mixed-blood Indian people in the East. Yall can go up to someone and say “I’m Indian” without someone eyeballing you from head to toe and replying “No you aren’t!” Then laughing as they turn and walk away. They are accustomed to seeing full bloods.
There is such a wide gulf between my experiences and the things I hear on the internet. Maybe it is an unfathomable gap. I took a trip East so I could understand yall better. I wish some of yall might come out here to see where I am coming from, a little better.
I am not sure what you mean by “full blood”. Perhaps the term means different things in different places. I learned that “better” on my trip East. Many times on many boards this topic of full bloods being practically extinct has come up, and it seems that this as acccepted as truth by many. Since I have had full blood neighbors since I was a child (I’m 52 now), this is sort of a pet peeve of mine. Maybe I’m just jealous because I can’t get away with claiming to be Indian as yall can. In Oklahoma, South Dakota, New Mexico, Arizona, and probably a few other places, there are still a great many full bloods. But there never were a lot of Indian people.
Here in Oklahoma, it just means “full blood Indian”. This might have been meant to include those adopted into the tribe in earlier times, but not today because of federal intervention into tribal laws.
Also, someone might be enrolled as “full-blood” Creek but in reality they might be part Navajo (the families might have met at a Pow-wow) or part Kiowa or part something else. These are mixed in historic times, without mentioning probable mixing with other tribes before 1 or 200 years ago. The term “Full Blood” has never met anything else to most Indian peoples. It never has “literally” meant “full Blood Creek”.
So when people say they are full blood, it is with those exceptions mentioned above as being implied. To many Indian people this is understood at a young age.
I invite you (or anyone) to come to any Oklahoma Pow-Wow — all (or nearly all) the dancers will “apear” to be very much full blood Indian, as will many (probably most) of the visitors in attendance. Those of us who are 1/8th or 1/4th will stick out like a sore thumb.
I desperately want people from the East to come out here and visit a Western Pow-Wow.
vance
To me full blood could mean all lines of your family….maternal and paternal are NA. In my case all my family married other indians..they were of course from different tribal connections but they were all NA. Having said that I consider myself full blood. It doesn’t have anything to do with everyone in the family being from one tribe….just my 2 cents.
Jade
Bill,
Thanks for the heads up.:) DNA testing doesn’t fit into my current budget so I have time to study up. I know little to nothing on the subject.
I ran across this post a few days ago by Vance Hawkins posted at rootsweb where he qoutes another person as saying (as I understood it), one does not inherit their DNA 25% from all four grandparents and that you may not actually inherit the DNA from an Indian line through a Grandparent where as a sibling could. My reaction::eek:
http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.melungeon.melungeon/697.1/mb.ashx
Maybe this is only refering to the straight matrilineal or patralineal as opposed to the percentage tests. The posts didn’t make any reference to sex of the siblings.
Any ideas or comments on this subject from anyone?:confused:
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