[vance hawkins]

Serry, Cindy –,

I am not sure what a step mutation is, but it must be more that 1 marker away from a perfect match. 🙂

Here is a page they put up about those mutations —

It does mention 2 exact matches (I said none at first, I wasn’t looking in the right place)

One is from Scotland and the other is of unknown origin. Dad always said he was told our Hawkinses came from Ireland — it could have been Scots-Irish from Ulster.

Step one mutation —

5 matches were R1b, locatons of the five — Demark, England (2), Scotland and Ireland. If you read Brittish history the Danes invaded England and conquered most of Northern England at one time, just below the Scottish border. Since England later conquered Sctland and Ireland, you can follow a migration there too.

Step two mutation —

Included 15 countries all R1b —

countries include —

Dinmark 1, Germany 1, Norway 1, Finland 1, Poland 2, Russia 1,

England 1, Great Britian 1, Ireland 1, Scotland 2, Shetland 1, Wales2

France 1, Italy 1,

Unknown 16,

I lumped the Slavs with the Germanic and the Celtic with the English, and the Latin speaking with each other. Shetland was a tossup but I put it with the Brittish Isles cause that’s what they are geographically.

Step 3 included Austria, Iceland, Mongolia, Netherlands, Polynesia, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine.

It also included one new halpogroup — R1, and about 80 or 100 R1b’s.

Step 4 mutation —

Add Israel, Canary Islands, Greenland, Guatemala, Hungary, Lithuania, Philipines, Slovenia, Switzerland.

There are about 4 or 5 markers for R1 halpotype and at least 2 or 3 hundred for R1b.

It says R1 is quite rare, and is in Europe, Central and South Asia. They speculate it began in Europe and migrated to central and South Asia.

In the coment sectoin half a dozen say Askenazi by them from several central European countries. One in Spain says Basque and another Andalusia (previously Moorish Spain), another Galician (a Spanish province near/part of the Basque region). One in Russia says Native Siberian. Greenland’s says Inuit. Israel’s says Arab and one of the Brittish markers says Cornwall.

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This means ancestors on the male line only — many generations ago, veered in all these directions.

If I can read this right, my direct line originated in Europe and wound up in the Brittish Isles. Other Branches migrated to all the other places mentioned. cool. 🙂 we populated the Eurasian continents.

I am awe struck that the 4 step mutations separate an Israeli Arab, and Inuit from Greenland, a Philippino, and Englishman, a Mongolian, a Basque, and me.

vance

[vance hawkins]

http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html

[Sheree]

Evidently all males show these mutations.

Sherry

[Sheree]

don’t forget cameroon.

This is just weird. DNA sucks (probably because I don’t understand it) but it sucks none the less.

[Sheree]

Here is what family tree DNA says about my fathers DNA

Recent Ethnic Origins

Welcome to the database of RECENT ETHNIC ORIGINS (REO). The results below show the ethnic origin of those you match or nearly match in the REO. The ethnic origin information is provided by each testee, and is only as accurate as the testee’s knowledge. Testees are instructed to answer “Unknown Origin” when their ancestor’s origin is uncertain or not known.

Incorrect origins provided by testees may lead to search results that do not seem logical. For example: Assume your ancestors are from England, but your search results show the ethnic origin of your matches as England, France, AND one match shows an origin of Native American. Does that mean that your ancestors relatives may have lived in England and France? Yes. Does it mean that your ancestor was also a Native American? No. This means that a settler in America had a child with a Native American woman, the child was brought up as a Native American, and that, over time, the family has “forgotten” the European ancestor, and believe their ancestry to be Native American.

Over the span of generations people tend to move, as do borders, so nationality or ethnicticity becomes subjective. For example, testees may enter Germany for ethnic origin, because the land of their ancestors is Germany today, but the land could have been held by Denmark for many centuries.

To see how your ethnic origin is recorded in our database, click on the link above entitled Update Contact Information. You may also update your paternal and maternal ethnic origin on the Update Contact Information page.

Exact matches show people who are the closest to you genetically. The Ethnic origin shows where they have reported to have lived. Since many persons migrated over the past few centuries, you will typically see matches in more than one country.

For information purposes, the Recent Ethnic Origin search also displays results for those who are near matches. A near match is either one step or two steps from your result. An exact match is 12/12 or 25/25. A one step match is 11/12 or 24/25 and the magnitude of the mismatch is 1. A two step match is 10/12 or 23/25 and the magnitude of both mismatches is 1, or it is 11/12 or 24/25 and the magnitude of the mismatch is 2. Near matches show where those who are distantly related to you have migrated over time.

12 Marker Y-DNA Matches

Exact Matches

Country (Number of Entries)

Comment

Your Matches

England (5792)

–

10

Scotland (2226)

–

7

Sweden (197)

–

1

United Kingdom (1536)

–

3

Unknown Origin

–

22

One Step Mutations

Country (Number of Entries)

Comment

Your Matches

Bohemia (35)

–

1

Brazil (11)

–

1

British Isles (234)

–

1

Cuba (8)

–

1

Czechoslovakia (49)

–

2

England (5792)

–

86

France (501)

–

14

Germany (1950)

–

9

Great Britain (336)

–

7

Ireland (2529)

–

61

Ireland (2529)

Donegal

1

Italy (350)

–

2

Jordan (2)

–

1

Mexico (205)

–

1

Netherlands (219)

–

4

Northern Ireland (113)

–

1

Panama (48)

–

1

Polynesia (97)

European admixture

1

Portugal (80)

–

1

Puerto Rico (35)

–

1

Russia (1348)

–

1

Russia (1348)

Ashkenazi

1

Scotland (2226)

–

27

Spain (434)

–

9

Spain (434)

Catalunya

1

Sweden (197)

–

3

Switzerland (244)

–

4

Ukraine (233)

–

1

United Kingdom (1536)

–

15

United States (563)

–

4

Unknown Origin

–

211

Wales (355)

–

9

Two Step Mutations

Country (Number of Entries)

Comment

Your Matches

Australia (71)

–

1

Austria (80)

–

3

Azores (9)

–

1

Belgium (44)

–

6

Bohemia (35)

–

1

British Isles (234)

–

21

Canada (58)

–

2

Canary Islands (22)

–

1

Croatia (20)

–

1

Czechoslovakia (49)

–

1

Denmark (108)

–

6

England (5792)

–

426

England (5792)

Anglo-Celt

1

England (5792)

Isle of Man

1

France (501)

–

27

Galicia (12)

–

1

Germany (1950)

–

87

Germany (1950)

Eifel District

1

Great Britain (336)

–

34

Greece (100)

–

1

Honduras (3)

–

1

Hungary (159)

–

1

Iceland (121)

–

8

Indonesia (634)

–

1

Ireland (2529)

–

194

Ireland (2529)

Northern

2

Isle of Man (15)

–

2

Italy (350)

–

8

Italy (350)

Sardinia

1

Lithuania (187)

–

2

Lithuania (187)

Ashkenazi

1

Mexico (205)

–

2

Micronesia (18)

Micronesian (European admixture)

1

Netherlands (219)

–

22

New Zealand (6)

–

1

Northern Ireland (113)

–

5

Norway (148)

–

5

Philippines (68)

Philippinos (European admixture)

1

Poland (466)

–

5

Polynesia (97)

European admixture

1

Polynesia (97)

Polynesian (European admixture)

1

Portugal (80)

–

10

Prussia (64)

–

4

Prussia (64)

Ashkenazi

1

Romania (135)

–

1

Russia (1348)

–

2

Scotland (2226)

–

175

Sephardi (3)

–

2

Shetland (127)

–

6

Slovakia (103)

–

1

Slovenia (12)

–

3

Spain (434)

–

33

Spain (434)

Basque

2

Spain (434)

Sephardi

1

Sweden (197)

–

4

Switzerland (244)

–

16

Ukraine (233)

–

2

United Kingdom (1536)

–

131

United Kingdom (1536)

Ashkenazi

1

United States (563)

–

6

Unknown Origin

–

1017

Wales (355)

–

30

[vance hawkins]

Whaddya mean it s***s! ?? Maybe you oughta study genetics so you can give us all DNA tests for free when you graduate. It is expensive. How ’bout it? 🙂

Some of your results are close to mine. 3 and 4 mutations are found under the “halpogroup” heading. My halpogroups were R1b and R1 only, meaning the male line left Africa 60,000 years ago, it said. If I had any African blood, it would have been through the Richey’s which was grandma’s maiden name. No direct males of my family are left from that surname, unfortunately. But I have run into some on line more distant, but still Richey’s. Maybe I can talk them into it . . . If I could get some of dad’s sister’s daughters to ajke the test it would be interesting for us. That would take us back the mtDNA line to the mother of Hariet Guess and so on. From what I hear they are not willing tho.

Vance

[vance hawkins]

Waitman, did you use the same company or another? Ours was Family Tree DNA. There is another that will show actual ethnic origin of all sides of the family (Family Tree DNA won’t do it) but the level of error they told me was about 10 percent which is twice the maximum accepted level for most statistical tests.

Let us know how it comes out.

vance

[techteach]

So any results are dependent upon someone’s reporting where they are from? So if my very German father had said he was from Malasia and my brother tested, his results would come up Malaysian?

Thus, our China result might come from someone reporting that?

Techteach

PS: I have said this before, the plastic surgeon told my sister who had a facelift paid for by insurance, that there must be some Asian in our family. Her eyes were always small with folds over them that became so bad she could not see.

[Sheree]

ROFLMAO

Sounds that way to me.

[Sheree]

I am going to go onto the results page and change my grandparents ethnic origins. LOL Lets see if it shows.

[vance hawkins]

Cindy, I HOPE that’s not what it meant! ???

I might be wrong,

but —

I believe it meant — for me — my ancestors wound up here ia Great Britain. With the R1b halpotype that is common to Europe. A related Halpotybe common to Europe, central Asia and SE Asia, and the middle east also showed up in small amounts, R1. R1 seems to be older and R1b developed (mutated) from it. They said they thought “R” dveloped in urope and some members traveled East into Asia. Others remained in Europe. I appear to be descended from the group that stayed in urope while others with the same halpotype went Eastward where males apparently mixed with Asian, retaining the European halpogroup in while mixing with Asians, being more Asian every generation, showing they mixed. This mixiing cound have been tens of thousands of years ago as the R1 halpogroup was very old and very rare. 90 plus percent of my results said R1b, a mutation from R1.

Mine said Mongolia and I believe it was 3 or 4 mutations (close to your China), but with the R1 halpotype, indicating it was a long time ago that we have a common ancetor with a Mongolian present day — probably many thousands of years.

So my direct ancestors never made it to Polynesia or Mongolia or to the Inuit of Greenland, but relatives of my direct male ancestors DID venture in those directions, mixing with others who also ventured in those directions. The male line survived in that state to the present day, So apparently there are Polynesians that originated in Europe many thousands of years previously — that’s hard to swallow, but apparently genetics picked it up. Now one group went to Asia maybe 20,000 years ago and the link might go that far back, or further. It said we left Africa at least 60,000 years ago.

Did that make any sense? if so, can you please explain it to me? 🙁

vance

[wvaram]

Vance, Genetree DNA testing center is doing mine. I should hear something in about four more weeks. I’ll let you know what the results say.

[Sheree]

That is exactly what it means. Also when you go on ysearsh you can edit even your values and get a different genetic match.

I see what you mean about the haplogroups. I had 4. R1b, R1, N, and R1a. They predict that it is one of those four and another DNA test can verify that.

[Sheree]

I can’t help myself today…last post i swear.

We are all polyindijewwops. LOL

[roca]

Following up on previous posts of 8/20,

8/21,and 9/9/2005,the results came in last week from genetree.com on the paternal (Y) test and the ancestral origins test.

The “Y” is supposed to be from “haplogroup E 1,2.This marker is found among African,Near Eastern,and European populations.”They go on to say that E1,2’s “highest frequencies have been reported in Africa.”

The certificate they sent back on the ancestral origins test has me estimated

as:

“69% Sub-Saharan African

30% European

1% East Asian

0% Native American”

There also is a CD explaining the testing

and results in greater detail.

I agree with Bill Child’s posting of 9/29/2005 on the “DNA Test” thread that “you

cannot take their results to the bank” because ancestry testing by DNA is new

and not 100% accurate.

My family research shows far more Native ancestry than what Genetree estimated.(See “Introduction Roca).

Roca

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