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I have been at this for 10 years. Quietly for 7 and loud for 3. I worked with DR. Brent Kennedy for a short time before his terrible health problems. I argued daily with him about the origin of Melungeons. I think highly of the man. He is a good man.
So I think I have graduated from email Indian school. The KNADB is probably filled with mistakes. I intended to ONLY name the earliest known ancestor (And I still may) and let the people figure it out. I have altered my approach and started adding descendants up to 5 generations or more.
We are at a cross roads in this region. We have a real need for this type of organization and the people involved will see it through. I chose to post on Saponi Town for one reason, I believe the majority of Melungeons (Half-bloods) migrated from Saponi territory and it looks like that may be a fact.
I have a wonderful forum in Cherokee Heritage and I am proud to serve as assistant manger of the group. I have limited my participation for the time being. I chose Saponi Town because I believe it represents our regions Native origin.
So to close it is only a list and I encourage the PEOPLE to help me clear up the mistakes. For now I believe I am 95% on task.
The term Half Breed, is not looked upon as derogatory in our circle , but if it offends people here I will not use it. I really don’t like being called Indian or NDNS. I am Shawnee.
William
I am Shakori, Eno and Nansemand on my mother’s side. My father’s side is Va mixed ndn. He was PERMANENTLY expelled from the Va school system in the 4th grade because he would fight when the other students called his little sisters “Issues”. Being indian in Pleckerite Va was difficult. (google Va racial integrity laws) Dalton is a Va ndn surname. If a Dalton migrated into shawnee country, that did not make him shawnee.
It is the persons choice. I would love for everyone to enroll, but not everyone will.
Our great region is our home it is where our Grandmother and Grandfather live. It is a special place and our people are special people. We may have had a rough reputation 200 years ago but all sides did.
I am Shawnee and I am proud to be Shawnee. But not all people can be. I just want the people to be a part of something Native. It is very important that this 18-40 year old generation teaches their children and that is not happening.
May GOD bless you all.
William
I don’t know what the problem is . I may be wrong but are we not all searching for the same thing . I know that I have found alot of info on my ancestry through the forum, and from help from friend’s such as Dreaminghawk.ms. beeleaf,Linda and other’s to mention a few. I am steadily looking for proof of my root’s so I can know beyond any doubt that I am Indian breed . I am not ashamed as like my ancesters the Pigg’s and Cassidy’s were. And I know if we all just get alone with one and other and pull our resources. All this will get alot futher . Than what it can with ill word’s .
My Best To All Of Us !!
Always walking with the Wind Spirit
RICK CASSIDY
(AKA) WIND/DANCER
rebelredsun wrote:
We are at a cross roads in this region. We have a real need for this type of organization and the people involved will see it through. I chose to post on Saponi Town for one reason, I believe the majority of Melungeons (Half-bloods) migrated from Saponi territory and it looks like that may be a fact.
I have a wonderful forum in Cherokee Heritage and I am proud to serve as assistant manger of the group. I have limited my participation for the time being. I chose Saponi Town because I believe it represents our regions Native origin.
So to close it is only a list and I encourage the PEOPLE to help me clear up the mistakes. For now I believe I am 95% on task.
The term Half Breed, is not looked upon as derogatory in our circle , but if it offends people here I will not use it. I really don’t like being called Indian or NDNS. I am Shawnee.
William
William, I thank you for what you are trying to accomplish. We are all searching, trying desperately to find all we can about “who we are”. My dad always said that he was cherokee through his grandpa. I, too, have gotten so much valuable information from this forum on my Collins ancestry and from other researchers. Let’s all continue working together to accomplish our goal.
my paternal lines are: Cole, Anderson, Wadkins, Perkins, Barnett, Howard, Durham, Stanley, Simpkins, Poe, Adams, Bradford, Patrick
my maternal lines are: Much the same as paternal plus Collins.
My question is: how do we enroll?
The enrollment procedures are simple.
I have just opened our office in Corbin. Basically my home address. I serve as registrar and genealogists for the Band. The goal is this; if you descend from ANYONE that is listed on the KNADB you are eligible for enrollment, again that is the goal.
We do require that you be descended from a list of surnames that will be posted on our website by August 18th 2007. We have a council meeting a week before to ratify the list. The KNADB may be less some names on August 18th or include more. It is included in our bylaws that ALL names on the KNADB have attached documentation, such as; Indian Nation applications at least 25 years old, a solid oral history, Photos, and or any other historical record that suggests a Native American heritage. This type of documentation can stand up in the courts.
So in simple terms the enrollment procedure is as follows:
Find an ancestor in the KNADB OR prove that you are descended from a person that lived in the enrollment region (counties) during the time periods of 1780 to 1850 (the years will change to 1870 in August after our meeting)
Kentucky – Harlan, Bell, Letcher, Perry, Knott, Knox, Pike, Whitley, Leslie, Clay, Laurel (subject to change)
Tennessee – Hawkins, Campbell, Claiborne, Hancock
Virginia – Lee, Wise
Provide a solid genealogy (as best you can) back to the person in question; marriage records, birth certificates…ect.
NOTE: yDNA and mtDNA will be accepted if the paper trail is solid for at least one person being tested. Example, if you have a distant cousin that can prove via paper that they are a descendant from a known Native American (qualified) and you and your cousin are direct (male yDNA or female mtDNA) descendants from the person in question, you can use the yDNA and or mtDNA markers for proof of genealogy. (It is the responsibility of the applicant to pay for the tests at this point in time, we may be able to help later)
NOTE: ALL genealogy will have to be verified by myself and my assistant registrar. Once we have signed off on the genealogy DNA will be accepted.
NO DNA PRINTS!!!!!
Complete the forms on the website and wait for the vote.
I am interested in the Hobbs family that appears in your database. I see that you have Ezekiel Hobbs listed, as well as what appears to be his descendants. From the birth info, this appears to be the same Ezekiel Hobbs that was brother to Vincent Hobbs of Indian fighting fame.
I am descended from Rachel Hobbs, sister of both Ezekiel and Vincent. They are children of Vincent Hobbs, Sr. and his wife Mary Hannah (maiden name unknown). What is the native connection you are asserting for the Hobbs family? Did Ezekiel marry an Indian, or is the assertion that Ezekiel himself was of mixed blood?
I have seen vague references before to some of these people being mixed blood before, but no one has been able to provide as much as circumstantial evidence to support it. In fact, Vincent Hobbs, Sr. was an immigrant from Wales and most researchers of this family believe his wife was, as well. If there is anything to suggest Indian ancestry in this family, I’d be very interested in discussing it, since it would quite likely mean my own Indian ancestry.
Thanks,
Randall
Ezekiel P. Hobbs born abt (1825-35) was included in the Daugherty family files.
Ezekiel’s mother Mary Spencer (sourced from the Daugherty Family) was the daughter of Aaron Spencer and Rachel Daugherty (again sourced from the Daugherty family and included FOR NOW in the KNADB)
Rachel Daugherty was the Daughter of Joseph Daugherty and Rachel Jordan
Joseph was the son of William Daugherty and Elizabeth Bunch. I am researching this line back to Elizabeth trying to find any proof of her being a Bunch. A strong oral history and a few old documents that suggest that Elizabeth was Native American. The Daugherty family of course claim her to be Cherokee.
The KNADB may change in a few days IF I can not prove this history. I am afraid that the Daugherty family may have mixed up William’s grandson that married a Sarah Bunch in the 1790’s. She was Cherokee and they migrated to the West with the Cherokee. I need to find proof. But for now the Daugherty family is included in the KNADB BUT that could change in a couple of weeks.
William
Okay. I see you’re referring to Ezekiel P. Hobbs, however, his grandfather also appears in your database (unless I’m mistaken). Ezekiel P. Hobbs was the son of William Hobbs and Mary Spencer. William Hobbs’ father was also named Ezekiel Hobbs and that is the man that was brother to Vincent Hobbs, Jr. and to my own direct ancestor, Rachel Hobbs. The elder Ezekiel Hobbs in your database is highly unlikely to have been of mixed blood.
As it’s not a direct line for me, I don’t have any further info on Mary Spencer’s family or origins, so I can’t be of much help there.
I have ran across the following names in my search; Hope some one can help me connect the dot’s
Elisabeth Bone b.2/20/1826 she is my gggrandmother
Martha Steward b.9/20/1841 she was my gggrandfather’s 2nd wife
3rd marriage was to unknown
Sallie Outen b.N/A
Grandfather was Maxie Cleo Cassidy
Wife was Patsy Deese
dauther lula married Daniel Thacker Boone
The other names I found are as follows ;Shaw , Dees , Baxley ,Talbert , Edwards,Bowles , Jones Shehorn , Kelly Tyner, Miles cox Williams, Watkins, Sowell, Stevens, Brown Ivy, Rodgers, Lowery, Johnson, Owens, Cook, Blue, Greene, Clodfelter, Warren, Todd,Paul
Some of these Surnames are accoiated with The Creek and also Catawba
I found this out through research in Rockhill S.C.
Hey Rick. This may or may not be your line, but the Clodfelter surname is quite popular in my neck of NC, especially around Welcome. (We’re up in Davidson County, fwiw.) One or two little country roads bear that name.
Osiyo everyone,
I, too have a tie to Rachel Daugherty & Aaron Spencer. My maternal line goes as follows: Rachel & Aaron: dau- Mary (m: William Zion Hobbs), dau: Sarah Hobbs (m: William Yeary Chrisman), dau: Nervesta Jane Hobbs (m: David B. Cable), dau: Pearl Cable (m: Robert Russell) dau: my grandmother dau: my mother dau: myself
That being said, I had once heard that through the Daugherty line runs either Cherokee or Catawba. This was many years ago & the family member has no proof. As a child, my grandfather had nicknamed me Little White Dove & my brother was Snow. We both had hair so blond that it looked white. Well, that is all I have for now. Sgi for listening & it is good to meet all of you.
Welcome, Littlecrow, thanks for joining and posting. I think I will copy this post to it’s own thread so it doesn’t get lost in an argument from two years ago.
Linda:
You are right about the Williams! All the Williams’ listed on the Ridgetop Shawnee are my family member ancestors – Hardens, Sherrods, etc. Proof: DNA Results – my brother’s DNA matches Sherrods DNA. There is a site online that has a picture of Nancy Williams and her husband. They all lived around present-day William’s Cove in Franklin Co., TN and previously in Muary Co., TN and VA early on.
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