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Brenda asks>>>>> Ken, does this pinpoint closer?
I would say we have the land pinpointed. Do you know the total acreage in Collins hands?
Brenda, access a map that shows the SR#s for Person Co,NC.
The headwaters of Dial Ck are directly behind the old building in the picture captioned “Bass country” Red Mtn Rd (SR1471) and Moriah Rd (SR Durham Co1605, SR Person Co1729) Old Thomas’ land extended north across Helena/ Moriah Rd (SR 1715) with Deep Ck as the western boundary. Deep Ck crosses SR1715 less than a mile east of Stoney Mtn Rd (SR 1747)……. Deep Ck runs parallel to SR 1747 and crosses Jim Latta Rd (SR 1723), however Rocky Fork Branch joins Deep Ck about 1/10th mile north of SR1715 and flows from the northeast with headwaters starting just north of Mt Harmony Ch Rd (SR 1721) about 1 mile north of my house. In 1850, this was all Meadows land….. with Lunsfords to the east and Satterfields and Rogers to the north.
As Alice would say, “curiouser and curiouser”
Doing my Flatt river search last night, I found James and Elizabeth Satterfield from Deep Ck who migrated to AR and assumed James was a sibling of my line since they were from Deep Ck. Well, I got my notes out and low and behold, they ARE my line!! But my James Satterfield b. 1776 d. 1859 ( son of John and Lucy Satterfield) married Elizabeth Trotter and never left the homeplace on Deep Ck! They had a slew of children who did move west in 1800s except for my William Penn Satterfield who married Sarah Beasley and stayed on the homeplace. Satterfields still own and occupy the same land.
So we have a (white) James and Elizabeth Satterfield who stay in Person Co and a (“mulatto”) James and Elizabeth Satterfield who leave Deep Ck and end up in AR with children marrying Collin’s
Yep, curiouser and curiouser 😉
This area looks very familiar to me, I have grown up running the local bush and river bottoms.
This has always caused the artist in me to grow, I have made use of a good many natural fibres and plant materials, made string from nettle and baskets frm the trees and plants, beads from the stones and enjoyed natures good foods.
These rivers and vistas look so very accomodating, does any one know if the area still has a white oak basket maker?
Being so far away from this area and seeing these pics makes me feel asthough I have really missed something.
Thank you for such a great post.
I may have found something interesting but I also have some questions.
Brenda, do you have any documentation of old Thomas selling or transferring his land?
To whoever might know, did known indians have the same land rights as whites in 1760 in Orange/granville/bute/person cos NC?
Finally, what does the following imply to you all?
1760 – Land Grant – Lord Granville to William Wharton. Warrent dated 8 March 1760 to William Churton to survey 640 acres in Orange Co on both sides of Deep Creek (which is) the waters of the Flat River, joining Thomas Gibson – including the Plantation where Thomas Colting now lives. Grant issued 2 February 1761.
1773 (January) – William Wharton and his wife, Jane, and William Chandler and his wife, Lydia, sold land in Granville County to Thomas Person, Jan. 1, 1773 (Deed book I, page 426). Thomas Person was a big landowner in Granville Co. His home was just north of the Deep Creek and Cub Creek area. He is famous in history for his role in the Regulator Revolt.
IMO……. Thomas Colting is Thomas Collins ……. as we have determined that he was settled on the land in question. Did Lord Granville reissue the same land to Mr Wharton in 1760 and he had clear deed by 1773 to transfer to Mr Person.
Brenda, do you have this document?
Sorry, folks…… meant to post this on previous post. This is where I got the land grant info
http://www.patch.net/deeds/db3-1.html
No, I don’t have it but perhaps Jack Goins does. He went to this area in 1997 with his wife. He was doing research for his book. I will email Jack and ask.
Also wondering about the Mccollugh surname. I seen some of them in the same area.
Hi Everyone, yes I agree with you Linda I do need atrip down to there.
I would like to see this area, from what I see, I’d be very comfortable there.
Iam trying to get ahold of a purse to do some research and that will take me there.
I would like to have a southern winter, this last one was really cold one place ne of here was 50+ below zero!!
Found that link googling “(Deep Creek) person co NC” It appears to contain pages and pages of the illusive Bute Co records stored in Warren co. I have saved it for further research after I determine the names of some more branches of the local streams. Have already found some more interesting stuff and have just touched the surface of the info.
Brenda:
Bill and I have found a possible connection with PA Mccollughs and my line. There are many in the cemetery in Iowa with my gggrandparents and ggggrandparents, too. And I keep finding connections with almost all the names in that cemetery since I visited last fall.
Cindy
Brenda, ……. Becky and I are working on finding those church records …… the Stony Ck church records indicate that the group was primitive baptist at least by 1801 when they got to Wilkes NC/ Scott Va area.
The churches in the Flatt river area that were old enough to predate 1800 are
— Flat River Primitive Baptist (which appears to hold the early records for all primitives before 1800) I have the name and # of the man who had the records in 1981….. will contact him soon. Also have the name and # of another prominent elder and the name and # of the man compiling the records for Elon College’s collection.
— Ebenezer (early records destroyed by fire.. or at Flat River)
— Mt Tirzah United Methodist ( started by Col Moore after Rev War as non-denominational)
— Mt Zion United Methodist ( was originally Hargis Meeting House, non-denominational)
— Wheeler’s Prim Bapt. (Upper South Hico)
— Also mentioned are Providence, Mill Creek, Snow Hill, Deep Creek*, Lower Line Hyco, Upper Line Hyco, Lynch’s Creek, Country Line, and Lick Fork. I have no dates or info on any of these yet. These are in the Country Line Primitive Baptist Association which broke from Flat River Assoc in 1805 and had the lower part of county……. looking for these records also.
Also making some progress on naming creeks and sorting Bute co land records.
Ken, I will keep my fingers crossed. Hopefully you will find something.
I have a story about William Collins b. 1806 son of Meredith. He took over the Collins farm on Shelby Creek in Pike Co. Kentucky after his father’s death. William married 1) Mary Mullins and had 11 children by her 2) Maryann Hatfield and had 6 more children by her. One of the girls got pregrant out of wedlock and committed suscide because she was afraid to tell her father who was a Primitive Baptist minister. This is from the Collins book written by Marlin Collins Cline and Eula Conley, both descendants who are now desceased they tell of William being gone for days preaching the gospel. My thoughts are that if William was Primitive Baptist the family might have been of that religion before migerating to Kentucky.
Another point of interest…William built a gristmill on Tug Fork of Big Sandy River which he operated with his brother, John W. and his son William Jr. . They also were well known blacksmith and silversmith. Another brother, Archibald, hunted and worked with tanning hides and shoemaker.
Snow Hill and Deep Creek are in Alamance County. Lynch’s Creek was in s. Caswell Co. Only Snow Hill is still in operation. Lynch’s Creek has only the graveyard to mark the site where it once stood, just north of the Orange Co. line near the community of Corbett. Many of the Occaneechi were affiliated with Lynch’s Creek in the early 1800’s.
Thank you, Forest.
None of the old folks that I talked to had any knowledge of any church that was on the Deep Creek branch of the Flatt river. Have you had access to the Country Line Primitive Baptist Assoc records or Flat River Prim Bapt records? They are not yet listed as part of Elon College’s collection.
Do you know of any other church options, pre 1800, for the people of southern Person besides Flat River Prim Bapt or “General” Moore’s church on Surl/ Mt Tirzah Rd?
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