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Vance,
The following tree is on p.381, chapter on Monroe Co., Tenn., of the book “Tennessee Cousins” by Worth S. Ray, c.1950.
“Matthew Howard (of Norfolk Co., Va.) m. Anne Hall.
(Children:)
Cornelius 1
Henry
John
Samuel
Phillip
Matthew (m. __ Hammond (Will of 1692 mentions “Brothers” John, Samuel & Phillip.)
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Cornelius 1, m. 1) Hannah Dorsey and had:
i. Joshua
ii. Francis
iii. Benjamin
iv. Charles
v. David (“m. Eliza Allen – had Allen Howard, d.Goochland Co., Va. in 1732 – who had Benjamin Howard of Bedford Co., Va who was the father of Benjamin Howard m. Prudence Sater of ASHE Co., NC, who are the ancestor of the HOWARDs and CALLAWAYs of Monroe Co., Tenn.”)
vi. Hannah.
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Cornelius m. 2) Elizabeth Todd and had:
vii. Joseph
viii. Cornelius 2
ix. Sarah
x. Mary
xi. Eliza.
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Joshua (son of Cornelius 1), m. Joanna O’Carroll (?) (Will in Baltimore County in 1738)
and had:
i. Francis (Now abroad)
ii. Edmund
iii. Cornelius, m. Miss Eager.
iv. SARAH, m. Christopher GIST***********
v. VIOLET, m. William GIST**************
vi. Elizabeth, m. _?_ Wells
vii. MARY, m. Nathaniel GIST (Nathaniel Gist was in Bedford Co., Va in 1757.)”*************************
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On page 380, regarding David Howard, brother of Joshua:
“David Howard, of Maryland, who married Eliza Allen of Talbot County.
On the back of the will of WILLIAM ALLEN, of Talbot County, Maryland, there is a note to the effect that his daughter Eliza was the wife of DAVID HOWARD. As DAVID HOWARD was probably about as old as his brother JOSHUA HOWARD (b.1664) they had probably been married a long time at the date of the will in the year 1701.”
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Bill
Vance,
I think you’re missing at least one generation or maybe two, between Thomas Gist and Nathaniel. You may have all this already, but there were a lot of related Gists there very early, from Nathaniel in 1754, to his sons being court jusctices in several counties of Tenn.
Here’s what is in “Tennessee Cousins” regarding Gist’s.
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“The First Justices of Sevier County in 1796.
The first court held in Sevier County, Tennessee, met on July 4, 1796. The following justices were present:
Joshua Gist
Joseph Wilson
Andrew Cowan
Joseph Vance
Robert Pollock (Polk)
Peter Bryant
Mordecai Lewis
John Clack
Robert Calvert
Adam Wilson
James Riggin (Reagan?)
Alexander Montgomery
Jesse Griffin
Isom Green (Isham)”
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“Joshua Gist, Probable son of Nathaniel Gist, Indian Trader.
In Dr. Gee’s excellent history of the GIST FAMILY, no mention is made of a JOSHUA GIST, and yet there can be little question but what the JOSHUA GIST who was one of very first Justices of the County Court of Sevier County belonged to that family. Neither is there a BENJAMIN GIST mentioned by Dr. GEE, and yet the records he presents do show that three of the sons of Captain RICHARD GIST (the ancestor) of Maryland, vis: CHRISTOPHER, WILLIAM and NATHANIEL, each married a daughter of JOSHUA HOWARD, of Maryland.”
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“NATHANIEL GIST, (son of Richard) married MARY HOWARD, daughter of JOSHUA HOWARD, probably about 1740, and two of the brothers of NATHANIEL GIST died in 1788 and 1794 respectively, which shows that NATHANIEL may have lived until after 1790. No information whatever is given by Dr. Gee about the family, or even the date of death of NATHANIEL GIST, who married this daughter of JOSHUA HOWARD. But the late Judge Samuel C. Williams, revered Tennessee historian, in an address delivered at Rogersville, Tennessee, July 12, 1797, gave the following information pertaining to this NATHANIEL GIST:
(Judge Williams address:) “We Know, of a surety, that two Indian traders came to the LONG ISLAND OF HOLSTON, hard by, and from there conducted a trade with the Cherokees as early as 1754. One was Richard PEARIS; the other NATHANIEL GIST. The first, a few years later led bands of Cherokee warriors this way, going to the aid of young George WASHINGTON against the French Indians of the Ohio Valley. One of the main war paths of the Cherokees crossed the Holston at the mouth of Dodson’s Creek, only a few miles above Rogersville, and ran thence past Long Island. The second of these traders NATHANIEL GIST, returned time and again for long stays in the Cherokee Country where he was a favorite with leading chiefs of that nation. His alliance with a Cherokee maiden resulted in the birth of one of the greatest men ever born on the soil of Tennessee, Sequoyah (GEORGE GIST), the inventor of the Cherokee alphabet, in recognition of whose achievements and high character, the giant trees of California were names”.
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“NATHANIEL GIST and MARY HOWARD — Their Children.
NATHANIEL GIST, who married MARY, daughter of JOSHUA HOWARD, was the old Indian Trader, mentioned by Judge Williams. But little is known of his activities or his family. What little is known may not be greatly to his discredit. Judge Williams does not imply that he was a bigamist. During the period of his logn visits to the Cherokees, MARY, his wife, may have been deceased, and according to Cherokee laws and customs, the birth of GEORGE GIST (otherwise SEQUOYAH) was from a legal marriage. Many such marriages to the Indians occurred, including that of Sam HOUSTON and Joseph MARTIN, though Houston’s wife had no children.
NATHANIEL GIST and his wife MARY HOWARD, are believed to have been the parents of :
1. BENJAMIN GIST (member of the County Court of Washington County, Tennessee in 1778)
2. JOSEPH GIST (b.1751, d.1844 in Kentucky.) married to Elizabeth SPRINGER.
3. JOSHUA GIST (member of the 1st Court of Sevier County, Tenn. in 1796.)
and by his Indian wife
4. GEORGE GIST (b.about 1760, at CHOTA, the old Cherokee Capital in what is now Monroe County, Tennessee.”
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“In 1784 both Benjamin GIST and his brother JOSHUA were members of the convention which met at Jonesboro, in which the plans to organize the independent State of Franklin were begun. – Ramsey p. 288.
Joseph GIST, Alex OUTLAW, Samuel WEAR and Daniel KENNEDY were among the delegates to the first Jonesboro (Franklin) convention, elected from Greene County. – Ramsey, p.286″
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“JOSHUA GIST, of Sevier County, was married and had a family.
Sarah GIST married JOHN BROWN, Jefferson Co., 1793, was his daughter.”
“JOSEPH GIST, born 1751, died in Monroe County, KY, July 30, 1844.” (he cites military pension records dated 1832 and another by his wife Elizabeth dated 1853.)”…….”He married Jan. 7, 1816 (his second marriage no doubt) Elizabeth (Betsy) SPRINGER.”
“BENJAMIN GIST married, but the family name of his wife has not been found. Only one son and child has been identified with certainty, and he was
1. Benjamin Gist who married twice,
(1) Rhoda BAYLESS
(2) Rebecca WATSON.
Benjamin GIST, Jr. (b. Sept. 15th, 1773) had by both marriages:
1. Sarah, b.1794.
2. Mary, b.1795.
3. Watson, b. 1797
4. Bayless, b. 1799 married Nancy RAY, daughter of John Ray and wife Catherine.
5. Hiram
6. Rhoda
7. Elizabeth
8. Levi
9. Lucinda
10. James.”
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Anyone of these sons : Watson, Bayless, Hiram, Levi and James, could have been named Thomas. Because Watson and Bayless are definitely thier respective mothers’s maiden names and these are ususually used as middle names necessitating a first name, which isn’t listed in this book.
Bill
Vance,
(All dates are “abt.”)
Your Harriet Guess was b. 1820? How about Harriet Guess, b. 1818, who had a brother named Christopher, b. 1815 ?
These, along with Jane, b.1810, and Richard, b.1823, are children of Martin Guest/Gist, son of Moses Gist, b. 1765 Tenn, son of Nathaniel Gist, b.1733 Md., and “Unknown” Cherokee lady. The Martin Guest/Gist family, some of whom migrated to Saline/Pulaski Co., Ark after 1828 (before removal). Martin Guest/Gist’s wife was Nancy Looney, b. 1795 (“Cooper & Yates Cherokees in Ga., Ala., Tenn.”)
I also found a Thomas Gest who marr’d Nancy Raney (Rainey?) on 6 Nov., 1818, in Lawrence Co., Ala., per Ala. marriage records. Let me know if you want this pursued.
Bill
Bill, thank yuo very much! You went through a lot of work for that. I do appreciate it. 🙂 If I can even do anything for you let me know.
The one we are related to we are pretty sure is Thomas Gest who married Nancy Roney in Lawrence County, Al. I have never seen the original, just transcriptions on line. Harriet Guess married David B. Brown and that is certain. they are my g-g-grandparents. He have a copy of their marriage license (both signed it with an “x”, they were married in 1841). Harriet and David raised 4 children on their own and 3 orphans, in Arkansas. One of those orphans was a girl named “Nancy Looney”. He had thought that was Harriet’s mother’s maiden name.
Mr. Yates was in touch with me, and for a while I thought Martin was Hariet’s father because I discovered descendants of Martin who thought that his first wife was Harriet’s mother. I had thought back then Nancy’s last name was “Looney”, but we never found a documented marriage between Nancy Looney and any Guess/Gist/Guest. Martin Guest is in Lawrence County, Alabama in 1820 and in Arkansas in 1830. I knew Harrite’s mother was Nancy Guest on a census record and thought her Mother’s maiden name was Looney. These people in Arkansas, descendants of Martin Guest, didn’t know who his wife was. We had hoped that his Martin had married my Nancy, but we never were able to make a conection.
Mr Yates got that information from us, and he knows we have never verified it, I am pretty sure.
Nancy Guest has 2 small children in 1830 censu, one a female Nancy’s age and the other a boy 5 years younger. Within 5 names on the census there is a Christopher Guest, Richard Guest, and a Thomas Roney. That is why we think this nanecy was the earlier one mentioned in early Alabama marriages. These were her closest neighbors. I believe they are also listed in early aAlabama marriages, but I forget. My Browns are also lisetd in Early Alabama marriages, with John Brown marrying Mary Black in 1820. David (Harriet’s husband) was their eldest son.
other people descended from Richard and Christopher in N Al. say Thomas was a brother and they moved to N Al from Ky. But I don’t know how they cameupon this. Also Martin might have been a fourth brother from this family and they probably had sisters I know nothing about.
I will look into the early day descendants of those Gist’s much more closely! 🙂 I think you are right, If Thomas and George were brothers, that would make Harriet a niece. If Thomas dad was George’s brother, that’d make her a great niece, and this is what my aunt told me. She said her mother told her Harriet was Sequoyah’s “niece or great niece” in a letter when I asked her about it.
Again, thank you very much for all that information. I know that took a lot of time.
vance hawkins
Vance,
You’re welcome and I’ll continue to see what I can find.
I had thought about adding a cautionary note about Panther-Yates but didn’t want to insult your intelligence.
Bill
About Nathaniel Gist
The following was taken straight off of the web page of the Cherokee
Nation of Oklahoma where they speak of Sequoyah and the Syllabry.
The only certain information regarding his father is a statement
made during Sequoyah’s lifetime about his father, which appeared in
the Cherokee Phoenix (August 13, 1828). This stated his paternal
grandfather was a white man. Sequoyah’s father was half Cherokee and
his mother a full blood. Copyright ©1998-2002. Cherokee Nation. All
rights reserved.
The following is taken from — Chronicles of OklahomaVolume 15, No.
1, March, 1937, THE FATHER OF SEQUOYAH: NATHANIEL GIST Samuel C.
Williams
Young [note: Nathaniel] Gist was evidently a visitor, for trade
purposes, to the Overhill Cherokees as early as 1753.
In 1754, at the age of 20, Nathaniel Gist was among the Overhill
Cherokees . . .
. . . Nathaniel Gist was delegated assistant under Atkin to take care
of 200 Cherokees then in Virginia to aid that colony in the recovery
of ground and prestige lost in 1755. No doubt this designation of
Gist was due to his acquaintance with these Indians, but the service
was not rendered by him in East Tennessee. He is said to have led
those Indian auxiliaries in the successful campaign of Gen. Forbes in
1758.
It is interesting to see the estimate placed by Col. Washington on
the value of Cherokee auxiliaries from the Tennessee country. In
September, 1756, he wrote Gov. Dinwiddie: “Those Indians who are
coming should be shown all possible respect and the greatest care
taken of them. “Those Indians who are coming should be shown all
possible respect and the greatest care taken of them. It is a
critical time, they are very humorsome, and their assistance very
necessary. One false step might lose us all that, and even turn them
against us.” Dinwiddie Papers, II, 669, 671. .
. . .The family of Gist, on the Indian side (the mother’s), was of
high rank in the nation. The famous John Watts was one of them. . .
[note: I mention this because someone told me Wertuh was also known
as Elizabeth Watts, but I was never shown any documentation proving
it.].
From the Cherokee country Gist in 1775 made a visit to West Florida,
returning from the Mobile region when the Revolution in the South was
passing into the active stage. He journeyed north-ward in company
with Henry Stuart, deputy agent under the British, the better known
Col. John Stuart being his brother and the principal agent to the
Southern Indian tribes. On reaching the Tennessee river the party
took water carriage towards the site of Chattanooga. Chief Dragging
Canoe had been south to confer with the Stuarts and, having returned,
was now patiently awaiting the arrival of Henry Stuart at the
Tennessee. Stuart wrote his brother John that the party “met at the
Tenassy some white people who had come down the river in order to
settle on the Mississippi”—evidently in the Natchez district.
On reaching the Cherokee towns the part played by Capt. Gist was, to
say the least, equivocal and it led to deep resentment on the part of
the Wataugans when they learned of it.
Gist knew of the plan of the younger warriors under the influence of
Dragging Canoe to attack the white settlers on the Holston, Watauga,
and Nolachucky.
There was a group of Tories in the Brown settlement on the
Nolachucky. Capt. Gist, as Henry Stuart narrates, “offered to
undertake to give them [these settlers with Tory leaning] notice if
he could get four white men that know the woods and some Indians” to
accompany him.
Jarret Williams, a Wataugan originally from Virginia, when he reached
the Watauga settlement gave information “that Alexander Cameron
informed that he had concluded to send Capt. Nathaniel Guest,
Williams Faulin, Isaac Williams and himself with the Indians till
they came to the Nolachucky; that they were to stop and Guest and the
other white men, above mentioned, were to go to see if there were any
king’s men among the inhabitants and, if they found any, they were to
take them off to the Indians or have a white signal in their hands or
otherwise to distinguish them. When this was done they were to fall
on the inhabitants and kill or drive away all they possibly could.”
Henry Stuart had endeavored to persuade or compel the settlers in
what is now upper East Tennessee to move off of their lands to West
Florida, promising that the Cherokees would permit of their safe
passage down the rivers. In one of his written messages to the
settlers he thus referred to Capt. Gist; “Capt. Gist has been all
over West Florida and from what we know of that country we venture to
recommend it to you as a very fit country for your poor people.”
Dr. P. M. Hamer in a contribution to the Mississippi Valley
Historical Review, without citing authority on the particular point,
Page 14
states that Gist was at the time in the pay of Cameron, assistant
British agent to the Cherokees, and that “for the purpose of
protecting loyalists and women and children he accompanied the
Indians in their attacks on the Wataugans.” Gist, at least, did not
leave the Indians . . .
in the following year Gist wrote to the Cherokees reminding them that
he had on this occasion, in 1776, warned them, before they went to
war against the whites, against the step.
When, after the three contemporaneous attacks on the upper country
settlers at Island Flats, on the Watauga and in Carter’s valley, and
in the latter part of the same year Col. William Christian began his
retaliatory campaign against the Cherokees, his instructions from
Gov. Patrick Henry were to insist upon the Indians “giving up to
justice all persons amongst them who had been concerned in bringing
on the present war, particularly Stewart [Stuart], Cameron and Gist.”
When Christian, on the march towards the Cherokee towns, reached the
French Broad river, Gist came in from the Indian side under a flag of
truce to the camp of the colonel. He reported that 1,000 of the
Cherokees from the Carolina side of the mountains had joined the
Overhills, who would not give battle until the troops crossed the
Little Tennessee. Christian wrote to Gov. Henry (Oct. 15, 1776) “I
judge the flag was only an excuse for him to get with me. I believe
he is sorry for what he has done. I did intend to put him in irons,
but the manner of his coming I believe will prevent me. The officers
tell me that the camp is in great
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confusion about him; some think that there are many favorable
circumstances attending him; many are for killing him—of the last the
greatest part.
“The Tassel yesterday objected against giving up the Great [Long]
Island opposite to Fort Henry to any person or country whatever
except Col. Gist, for whom and themselves it was reserved by the
Cherokees. The Raven did the same this day in behalf of the Indians
and desired that Col. Gist sit down upon it when he pleased, as it
belongs to him, and them, to hold good talks on.”
Col. Gist took with him to Virginia seventeen Cherokee warriors,
including The Pidgeon, who were embodied in his command, the regiment
being assigned to its first duty on the east shore of that state.
Gist, in 1778, was an advocate of a fuller use of Indians in the
American army.
The career of Gist in the Revolutionary War was a creditable one. For
a time he was in command of Red Stone Fort in Pennsylvania; he
campaigned in South Carolina. When Charleston was captured by the
British, he was made a prisoner of war. He was retired Jan. 1, 1781.
(With Henry Timberlake in 1765. Williams,
Memoirs of Lieut. Henry Timberlake, passim. )
In 1793 he removed from Virginia to Kentucky . . .
A valuable sidelight is thrown upon the problem dealt with in this
paper by the narration of Gen. James Taylor, of Kentucky, found in
the Draper Collection:
“When I was moving out to Kentucky in the spring of ’93 I left my
company some distance before we reached Redstone (now Brownsville). I
understood Col. Gist had arrived with a large number of slaves and
was encamped about a half mile above the creek from which the old
fort had taken its name. I called on Col. Gist at his encampment. I
found him sitting under his markee which, no doubt, had protected him
and his brother officers from the storms of many a cold and dreary
night. He was a venerable looking man, I should think near 60 years
of age; stout-framed and about six feet high and of a dark
complexion. It was the first time I had seen him, but, on making
myself known to him, he informed me he was well acquainted with my
father and had served, I think, in the Virginia legislature or in the
state convention together, and perhaps in both.
“While I was with him a good looking youth, who appeared to me about
16 or 17 years of age, come to the markee and was invited in. He was
dressed in home-spun clothes, quite neat and was a fine, tall, well-
looking youth. He appeared to wish to say something to the Colonel.
At length he inquired if he had any business with him or wanted to
say anything to him; and the colonel inquired his name. ‘My name is
Gist, sir,’ said the young lad. ‘Aye,’ said the colonel, ‘and who is
your father?’ ‘Why, sir,’ says he, ‘I am told you are my
father.’ ‘Ah, indeed,’ says the colonel, ‘and who is your mother?
Betsy—Oh, very likely it may be so then; I was well acquainted with a
girl of that name some years ago when I commanded Redstone fort. The
young man appeared somewhat embarrassed and the colonel appeared
somewhat stumped, and I concluded to take my leave as it might be
more agreeable to have their conference alone on that delicate
subject.
“I met the Hon. John Breckenridge moving out with his family. He was
well acquainted with Col. G., and said he was a great gallant in his
younger days.
Summarizing some interesting points in the last post —
1. It documens 200 Cherokee in Virginia to help Gov. Dinwitte and the Va colonists in the French and Indian War.
2. It mentions his envolvement in the Revolutionary War. He seems to have fought on both sides, starting out as a Tory and switching sides in 1777. Even after switching sides, the Cherokees respect him, and Old Hop defends him giving him the Island of Holston where a treaty was signed.
It mentions Nathaniel Gists involvement with Dragging Canoe in his attacks on the Wautagan settlers, and mentions a message from Patrick Henry stating he wanted the Cherokee to hand over three White men him for punishment. One of those 3 was Nathaniel Gist (the others were Cameron and Stuart), who aided the Tories.
Instead, Nathaniel Gist returned on his own, and succeeded in not being shot as a traitor for some reason, perhaps the family’s friendship with George Washington helped save him.
4. He returned to Virginia with 17 Cherokees who were embedded within his unit, and it states he became an advocate of Indians serving in the military.
5. It ends with a story of a child who came up to him saying “I think you are my father”, Interesting. i know this child can not be Sequoyah because Sequoyah never learned any English.and this child did. Yet the child says his mother was “Betsey” and I was told Sequoyah’s mother’s English name was “Elizabeth Watts”, but I am not certain that is true. Another account says his mohter was half-Cherokee and half Shawnee, and I do not know which is true about Wurteh.
But my family has a tradition that says my great great grandma was Sequoyah’s niec or great niece. So I am curious about this child who came up to Nathaniel saying “I was told you were my father” adn Nathaniel seems to accept him as a son when he learns the mother’s name.
vance
I desend from the paternal side the Hord/Hoard/Webster/McGar names and Maternal side Sizemore/Oakley/Joyner/Hobgood . As you can see we are American Indian from both sides . We are trying to trace and are a little overwhelmed by the Sizemore’s. We can get back several generations but it gets pretty murky after that with all the wives and children. We also have the Hord/Hoard connection after 1820. We are from Kentucky. Any pointers appreciated. Patty
I am descended from Benjamin Howard (born 1742 Maryland ) who married Prudence Sater in Baltimore County Maryland – They had my ancestor Cornelius Howard who married Philadelphia Hagler in Wilkes County North Carolina – and he built a two story brick house in 1838 at Elkville – But his father, Benjamin Howard, the Tory, was a son of Philip Howard, Sr. and not a son of Benjamin Howard of Bedford Co Virginia as posted previously here – see the following affadavit:
On 4 March 1791 Benjamin Howard of Wilkes County, age 50 [born ca 1741-2], and on 26 March 1791 John Howard of Wilkes County, age 57 [born ca 1733-4] deposed as follows. They are brothers, and have another brother, Philip of Surry County, North Carolina, age about 60 [born ca 1730-1]. The three live within 50 miles of each other. Their father, Philip Howard, Sr. formerly lived on Elk Ridge in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, and died six years ago at age 80 [born ca 1704-5, died ca 1784-5] while living with his son Philip. In 1747 Philip, Sr., Philip, Jr., and John leased from the province of Maryland 150-acre Angles and Rods, a part of Monocacy Manor northwest of Frederick-Town, for their lifetimes. But they left Maryland about 1751 and settled on the Yadkin River in North Carolina. Philip Sr., then had eight children living (out of seven sons and two daughters born). In 1752 they assigned their Maryland lease to John Howard [son] of Gideon [Howard]. (Maryland Chancery Court Records, 22#F:480-491, at Hall of Records, Annapolis.)
Randy in Houston, TX
Bill Childs wrote: Vance,
The following tree is on p.381, chapter on Monroe Co., Tenn., of the book “Tennessee Cousins” by Worth S. Ray, c.1950.
“Matthew Howard (of Norfolk Co., Va.) m. Anne Hall.
(Children:)
Cornelius 1
Henry
John
Samuel
Phillip
Matthew (m. __ Hammond (Will of 1692 mentions “Brothers” John, Samuel & Phillip.)
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Cornelius 1, m. 1) Hannah Dorsey and had:
i. Joshua
ii. Francis
iii. Benjamin
iv. Charles
v. David (“m. Eliza Allen – had Allen Howard, d.Goochland Co., Va. in 1732 – who had Benjamin Howard of Bedford Co., Va who was the father of Benjamin Howard m. Prudence Sater of ASHE Co., NC, who are the ancestor of the HOWARDs and CALLAWAYs of Monroe Co., Tenn.”)
vi. Hannah.
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Cornelius m. 2) Elizabeth Todd and had:
vii. Joseph
viii. Cornelius 2
ix. Sarah
x. Mary
xi. Eliza.
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Joshua (son of Cornelius 1), m. Joanna O’Carroll (?) (Will in Baltimore County in 1738)
and had:
i. Francis (Now abroad)
ii. Edmund
iii. Cornelius, m. Miss Eager.
iv. SARAH, m. Christopher GIST***********
v. VIOLET, m. William GIST**************
vi. Elizabeth, m. _?_ Wells
vii. MARY, m. Nathaniel GIST (Nathaniel Gist was in Bedford Co., Va in 1757.)”*************************
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On page 380, regarding David Howard, brother of Joshua:
“David Howard, of Maryland, who married Eliza Allen of Talbot County.
On the back of the will of WILLIAM ALLEN, of Talbot County, Maryland, there is a note to the effect that his daughter Eliza was the wife of DAVID HOWARD. As DAVID HOWARD was probably about as old as his brother JOSHUA HOWARD (b.1664) they had probably been married a long time at the date of the will in the year 1701.”
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Bill
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Tennessee Howard – Ashe, Surry and Wilkes Co North Carolina
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I am descended from Benjamin Howard (born 1742 Maryland ) who married Prudence Sater in Baltimore County Maryland – They had my ancestor Cornelius Howard who married Philadelphia Hagler in Wilkes County North Carolina – and he built a two story brick house in 1838 at Elkville – But his father, Benjamin Howard, the Tory, was a son of Philip Howard, Sr. and not a son of Benjamin Howard of Bedford Co Virginia as posted previously here – see the following affadavit:
On 4 March 1791 Benjamin Howard of Wilkes County, age 50 [born ca 1741-2], and on 26 March 1791 John Howard of Wilkes County, age 57 [born ca 1733-4] deposed as follows. They are brothers, and have another brother, Philip of Surry County, North Carolina, age about 60 [born ca 1730-1]. The three live within 50 miles of each other. Their father, Philip Howard, Sr. formerly lived on Elk Ridge in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, and died six years ago at age 80 [born ca 1704-5, died ca 1784-5] while living with his son Philip. In 1747 Philip, Sr., Philip, Jr., and John leased from the province of Maryland 150-acre Angles and Rods, a part of Monocacy Manor northwest of Frederick-Town, for their lifetimes. But they left Maryland about 1751 and settled on the Yadkin River in North Carolina. Philip Sr., then had eight children living (out of seven sons and two daughters born). In 1752 they assigned their Maryland lease to John Howard [son] of Gideon [Howard]. (Maryland Chancery Court Records, 22#F:480-491, at Hall of Records, Annapolis.)
Randy in Houston, TX
I thought I posted this but can’t find it now
Cornelius Howard, my ancestor, was son of Benjamin Howard and Prudence Sater Howard – and he moved to Tennessee after his wife, Prudence died in Wilkes co NC in 1830s – but he had built the two-story, brick house at Elkville about 1820s first. Cornelius Howard married secondly before he moved and was married to Harriet R. (Moss) Tucker, widow of Frederick Tucker.
She was a teacher and they then moved to Blount, then Monroe and then Bradley County Tennessee, with Isbell and Hagler relatives – where Cornelius Howard died in 1860 and was buried in Fort Hill Cemetery, Cleveland, Bradley County, Tennessee, and wife Harriet R. Howard was buried there in 1870.
Benjamin Howard, born in 1742 is often confused with another Benjamin Howard, a distant cousin, also born in 1742 – but the former was a notorious Tory in Wilkes and Ashe Co NC while the later was a Rev War soldier – and many DAR members have been approved who descend from the TORY – kinda ironic actually – but my Benjamin Howard, the Tory, was a son of Philip Howard, Jr. who was son of Philip Howard, Sr. who was son of Samuel Howard and Catherine Warner, and son of Matthew Howard of Anne Arundel Co MD – Randy in Houston
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