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Is this the picture you are looking for? If I understand correctly several arrows originally indicated a confederacy. It is the “Bureau of American Ethnology” Bulletin 137 in the book “The Indians of the Southeastern United States” by John R. Swanton
YES! THANKS. That’s the picture I was talking about, and the citation. Do you have the text explaining a, b, c, etc?
Techteach, yes, that’s the Monacan variation. We have to do something different nobody else is using.
It would be nice to find something that we could coorelate to this group., also look for that pic that I have mentioned aswell since it has a good range of arrow patterns we might find that some of these are there or something unaccounted for.
I’ll do a short search to see if i can find a link to the image that i mentioned.
There is a much clearer image of this at http://www.vahistorical.org/cole/1.4htm.
I did not look in the library today. I figured that since the pic that Greywolf posted was the one that was wanted, I did not need to. I will be back to the Chicago campus on Friday with some time. Let me know if I need to look for something else.
Cindy
Cindy, if you get a chance, it would be nice to get the text associated with this picture. Hopefully, it will tell what the ABC’s stand for.
OK, I will try to check on Friday. I don’t hold out much hope. We are a small university and with the Newbury in town, they likely rely on inter-library loan.
Cindy
If you look at the sketch there is a image of “F” on the shoulders. Is this what you you mentioned in previous post? That does not appear to me to be arrows and I wonder what the meaning could be:confused:
I looked at the higher resolution image Graywolf sent me and that’s either just shading of the shoulder blade, or it’s the swastika or whirlwind pattern you see to the right. That sort of pattern was found on an amulet at Gaston, NC, thought to be Occoneechi.
Linda:
I am checking the online catalog for my university. We appear to have Swanton’s “Indian Tribes of North America.” Is this the book I am looking for? If so, depending on how long my meetings are tomorrow morning, I will check it out. I think I will likely have the afternoon to do it.
Cindy
Sorry, Linda. We do not appear to have this book in our library. We have a couple of other Swanton books, and I checked a couple of others too, but wouldn’t you know it, the volume 14, Southeastern Indians, volume of the Smithsonian Handbook is missing.
Cindy
Hey Everyone, I have been searching on the web for as much as possible re these arrow motifs and what I have mentioned earlier re, seeing more than one reference, of course to no avail.
One site I did find that is very interesting is the virtual Va site, I had typed in the words “indian village of Secotan” and uo popped a comparitve page that has Whites water colours and de Bry’s copper engravings , we should all have a look at this page(s).
Also I know that when I find the other info re. the people w/ these patterns I’ll try and post something to it, perhaps the image Grey hawk has already posted is a complitation of all those patterns Iam just not sure, in which case I may be looking for nothing we don’t already have.
Something to keep in mind is that when we find these patterns meanings and you folks decide what to use, we will also need something to have the arrows attached to for a base , this means that we will need some input from the crowd, all the best Tom
Surprize,,,,,It is the “Indians dancing Around a Circle of posts” this image shows 3 arrows being used, but is there more of these images with arrow atterns?
Hello Folks,
Hey Linda it’s been a while since we last spoke. I see lots has been goin on since I’ve been away(I’m a MBA-grad student)plus work full time.Haven’t been able to visit and keep up as much as I would like,but gonna try harder.I don’t wanna be left out of all the “Saponi/Blackfoot” happen’s.I Think a silver pin in the design Brenda mentioned sounds great for starters.
In Blood
Nicole…:)
I will check our library here in Columbus to see if we have the book. I don’t know how soon I can do that, I will be out of town a lot this week, but I will get over there ASAP.
Being a library in a state capitol with a large university it SHOULD have everything…….
Hey Guys,
If any of you wanna go deeply hardcore traditional why don’t you guys join me in getting(I have them already) a tribal mark tattoo. What inspired me to get them was I have a copy of “Indians in Seventeenth VA” By Ben C.McCary.There are some great sketches of native VA
Indians of various tribes including Saponi/Tutelo/Mohetan,etc often painted/marked themselves….Come-join me my sisters & brothers…:D 😀 😀 😉
In Blood
Nicole
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