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I am doing research on Hanging Maw and his relationship to Daniel Boone, Alexander Spotswood the Governor of Virginia and George Washington. I am starting with General Braddocks failure to take Fort Pitt in Pittsburgh in the summer of 1755
I understand Gen Braddock was in charge of the whole operation. Major Washington was in charge of the troops. Daniel Boone was in charge of the Wagon Train of Supplies and Prince Hanging Maw was in charge of the Native Americans who were hired as guides.
General Braddock was killed as well as Robert Spotswood, Alexander Spotswoods son.
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this operation. One interesting note about the name Hanging Maw is the word Maw in Hebrew means Robe as in Hanging Robe. The English word is Mall for enclosure as in Shopping Mall.
I am asking this question because I found a Will of Alexander Spotswood and Washington heirs that names my ggrandfather Jacob F Myers. Hanging Maw although not named seems to play a role in the background. I am from Pittsburgh and my family has been in Pittsburgh since 1750. I would like to get to the bottom of this. That is why the research.
Larry Myers
Welcome Larry. I can’t say I know anything helpful, other than that I share your interest in the period. I read about Braddock’s defeat in Heckeweller’s (sp?) journal. If I remember correctly, he happened upon the field of defeat a few winters later and knew where he was by the crunching of the bones under the snow they were travelling through. I believe it was nighttime and it really freaked the old reverend out.
I think I read in another source that Washington was very frustrated with Braddock’s Eruopean methods and was dying to use more Native tactics, adopting a more guerrilla stlye of warfare. It was by fighting Indians and learning and adapting to their style of warfare that he learned the techniques that he later used to defeat the British.
There maybe even more of a reason for George Washington to use Native Americans and their style of fighting. The thing I have been studing is Kinship relationships at that time. That is, the population at that time was so small that just about everyone is related to everyone else. I know for sure George Washingtons sister Betty married a Spotswood.
So that is why the Will of Alexander Spotswood has the Washington family in it. The big question is, just why is Jacob F Myers also in it? I do know a Jacob Myers owns about 1/5 of Kentucky in 1785. A million acres or more covered by at least 250 land grants all signed by Patrick Henry a Spotswood relative. In contrast, Daniel Boone has one land grant of about 1000 acres he received May 31 1783. Also, I see a relationship between Hanging Maw and Daniel Boone and maybe the Myers family. At least in some point in History they seem to be friends or partners. I do know there was an issue with Hanging Maw and Jemima Boone on the 14 of July 1776. That is the area I have really zeroed in on in my Myers family studies.
Interesting stuff.
According to Emett Starr, Hanging Maw was a principal chief of the Cherokee from about 1780 to 1792 and living in S.E. Tennessee/N. Georgia. I did not find where he was prior to that time. Perhaps he was in the Braddock expedition, I never ran across him in that context. Do you have a reference source we can look at?
I thought Daniel Boone was only one of many Teamsters (wagon team drivers) along with John Finly? Wasn’t Boone only about 15 or 16 at that time? Is there a source for your information that Daniel Boone was in charge of the Braddock Expedition’s supply train?
“Maw” in English is a large, gaping opening, including a mouth. Why look to a Hebrew origin for that word? Is there a basis for reconstructing the refuted 17th & 18th century christians’ explanation for the existence of American Indians as one of the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel’ to account for them not being mentioned in the Bible ?
Daniel Boone’s family was originally from E. Pennsylvania, moved to the Yadkin Valley of NC after that French War but removed to central Kentucky before 1780. The Boones were Long Hunters in NC prior to that time so it’s theoretically possible they ran into each other, but I didn’t find any direct link between them so I couldn’t say. Do you have a source that points to this? What is the source of the reference to Jemima Boone and Hanging Maw?
Perhaps it was a typo, otherwise I don’t understand how your ‘ggrandfather’ could have been alive in the 1700’s to be mentioned in Spotswood’s Will. How does your MYERS line connect to the Jacob F. Myers you cited in your post?
First I will talk about the word Maw. The reason for the Hebrew translation is Alexander Spotswood was Jewish. He claims to be a descendent of Charlemagne who lived from 742 to 814. I know that’s crazy but that is what he claims. Charlemagne was head of the Carolingina Dynasty. Just about every picture you see of Charlemagne, he has a long hanging robe or hanging maw. To give you an idea of the influnence of Jewish traders, shawnee means scarlet in Hebrew. Hanging Maw is in power exactly 1000 after Charlemagne. Most if not all paintings of Charlemagne done in the 15th and 16th century show him in a hanging shawnee maw.
The Will is a continuing arrangment starting with Alexander Spotswood and his heirs. Alexander Spotswood dies around 1740 but the Will keeps being updated through the Washinton Family then on to Rice family then to the Grundy family then on to the Myers family. The last date is 1854. My Jacob F Myers would be about 5 years old at the time. It’s a Fountain Maury land track which tells me it’s a Jacob Myers/Patrick Henry 1785 Land Grant. Jacob Myers received over 250 land grants from Patrick Henry worth over 1 million acres. Patrick Henry is related to Alexander Spotswood. These look like purchased land grants from war bonds at about $1 an acre. That is alot of land!!
A Google of Jacob Myers Kentucky land grants, Braddock with Pittsburgh and Fort Pitt plus a Hebrew to English dictionary will source most if not all of what I am saying.
Larry
One source I found is on a web site called “The Influence of Sephardic Jews and Moors on Southeastern Indian Cultures.” It names Alexander Spotswood as a Moroccan Jew. He recruited Sephardic Jews from Holland for their mining and metallurgical expertise. I believe Jacob Myers is part of the Myers, Hays, Mordecai Sephardic Jewish family from Holland and Spain. The Myers family specalized in metal working and were goldsmiths, silversmiths, whitesmiths (tinsmiths) and blacksmiths. Jacob Myers was a blacksmith and built the Slate Creek Iron Works in Kentucky. This same Jacob Myers purchased over 1 million acres of Kentucky land at about a dollar an acre with over 250 land grants signed by Patrick Henry. My source on that is a book called “Old Kentucky Entries and Deeds” by Willard Rouse Jillson. It’s at the Pittsburgh Library. Myer Myers is a well known silversmith in New York and worked with Paul Revere through the Hays family. Of course we all know that Patrick Henry and Paul Revere were good frends. I don’t think I need a source for that.
The Myers family and Royal Blood Native Americans.
Another thing I am looking at and I hope someone can make a comment on. I have been looking into Sacajawea the Indian Guide on the Lewis and Clark trip in 1803/1804. The Grace Hebard Papers at Iowa State contains several photos of Maggie and Barbara Myers, granddaughters of Sacajawea, daughters of Baptiste. I confirmed with the library that the back of the pictures say the same thing as the listing and it does.
Second thing. In the “Journals of Lewis and Ordway” by Quaife, the Baptised name of Sacajawea is Jane. Unless someone can tell me otherwise. Sacajawea daughters must have the last name of Myers through Baptiste. If that is the case, Sacajawea’s christian name has to be Jane Myers and her son would have to be Baptiste Myers. The Flordia Catholic Paper published a highlight on Sacajawea saying she was Catholic like many of the Native Americans at the time.
There was aJacob Myers who was associated with the early Boonesborough settlement. At least, a Jacob Myers appears on this list… http://www.fortboonesboroughfoundation.org/settlers.html
Hi
I have seen that list and yes Jacob Myers is on the list. So is the Rice family in Spotswood’s Will and so is the Meriweather’s who are connected to Lewis and Clark out of Pittsburgh. The big issue and I have documents everywhere to prove it is that Jacob Myers owns about 1/5 of Kentucky in 1786. Daniel Boone must know him. The next issue is what happened to Jacob Myers?
I believe the Myers family is a very wealthy part Native American family married into Royal Blood Native Americans. The three Royal Blood Native Americans I am looking at is Alliquippa who’s village is located on or next to the Myers/Fraser/Powell land grant in Pittsburgh at Turtle Creek. The Widow Myers Tavern is located there in 1769. George Washinging make notes of visiting there October 17 1770.
Hanging Maw who has some sort of relationship with Daniel Boone and George Washington (a Spotswood Relative) at Braddocks defeat in Pittsburgh.
Sacajawea, Baptiste and her two granddaughters Maggie and Barbara by Baptiste who seems to have the last name Myers.
Last the Myers family is married into the Major John Baptiste Olive family of New Madrid through Richard Jones Waters Myers.
One more tidbit.
The Carpenter/Moytoy family line has Hanging Maw’s son as Thomas Maw who is sometimes called Jacob. Thomas Maw served in Col Morgen Jr’s Reg of Cherokee Indians. He had a rank of Lieutentant.
It says:
We think Jacob impersonated the personage of Sequoyah once knowledge of the Cherokees Syllabary became a matter of public record. We know he could read and write English, as well as his wife. He was noted as being “a rather nice looking fellow in his older age” He was also noted for wearing -odd clothing with sashes and ear rings. He was thought to be Arabian decent, perhaps even royality. No Children are documented.
The above statement has Spotswood genes all over it.
More on Sacajawea. I seem to have two different reports on Sacajawea and her death. The holders of the Grace R Heberd papers at Iowa State say they have pictures of Sacajawea’s funeral dated in the Mid 1880’s which makes her almost 100 years old. Then another offical report says she died at Fort Madan in 1812 soon after childbirth of Lisette. Another interesting thing on the report is William Clark adopted both her children Jean Baptiste and Lisette at the time. I have traced William Clark to the Myers family.
I am not sure if Maggie and Barbara daughters of Jean Baptiste have the last name Myers because of the adoption or because Sacajawea’s true name is Jane Myers and not Jane Charbonneau.
Actually I have almost the exact same story about Aliquippa. That she died around 1754 and other reports say she died much later around 1785.
Hanging Maw’s wife Betey is the same deal. Reports that she died in an attack around 1780. Then other reports that she lived with the Rogers family until 1803 making her 90 year old. The Rogers family is part of the Rogers Clark family who William Clark is from.
I may be missing something here but I think people are trying to hide things. For sure Jacob Myers is hiden. How can a person who owns 1/5 of Kentucky in 1785 simply disappear?
Alexander Spotswood the Governor of Virginia’s grandson Gen Alexander Spotswood b1746 died sometime in 1823. He has a recorded Will with my ggrandfathers name on it Jacob F Myers. I am wondering if anyone might know this family.
The Will lists the following:
Caroline Grundy Myers sister to William Grundy married to no first name Myers maybe Jacob Myers b 1776.
The Will lists the following children of Caroline with married names
Pheby Myers Dorsey
Elizabeth Myers Adams
Nancy Myers Adams
John G Myers same name as my father and grandfather
William Myers maybe William M Myers b1812
Robert M Myers
Thomas D Myers
FR Myers who I thank is Father Myers a Catholic Priest
Jacob Myers who is dead. I think killed at Battle of Cerro Cordo Mexico 1847
Grandchildren of Caroline Grundy Myers by her son Jacob Myers:
Emeline Myers
Jacob F Myers who I think is my ggrandfather b1845
Susan E Myers Brown
Mary Jane Myers McClain
Caroline Myers Casey
Rebecca A Myers Russell
No wife listed
All from Henderson Co Kentucky.
Larry,
I didn’t find any of these MYERS (and various spellings) in Henderson Co., or other counties of Ky on the 1850 thru 1880 census.
What are the names and any known dates and locations of your grandparents?
Bill
My grandparents are John G Myers and Jennie McIntyre both born around 1875. The lived in McKeeport just outside Pittsburgh. His father was Jacob F Myers born around 1845 who appears to be an orphan.
Jennie McIntyres line is well documented in the Pittsburgh Old History book. Her father was Capt William Mcintyre and his Father was Capt Raymond S McIntyre and mother Jane Dunseith. Jane Dunseith’s father was Thomas Dunseith and her mother was Jane Powell both born around 1785. All the McIntyres and Dunseiths were Riverboat Captions on the Ohio. Thomas Dunseith was also a keelboat builder in Elizabeth PA around 1800. There is some speculation Jane Powell is also related to the Myers’s and related to Mariwether Lewis. Alexander Lewis is buried with Thomas Dunseith and Jane Powell in Pittsburgh. Alexander Lewis has the very first patent in the US. It’s a device that keeps Keelboats from tipping over in heavy white rushing water.
Thank you Larry,
I will work with you on this but there are some factual levees….
Here are some census records.
1850 Allegheny Co., Pa Census; Mifflin Twp;
Household 370:
Peter Myre, 45, m, – , Miner, $175, Germany
Catharine…., 45, f, – , Germany
John………., 18, m, – , Germany
Catharine…., 15, f, – , Germany
Ruth……….., 13, f, – , Germany
Ellen……….., 11, f, – , Germany
Feby……….., 5, f, – , Germany (match with the 1860 Phoebe)
JACOB………, 3, m, – , Germany***** Age is off 2 yrs? Census? Go Figure.
Margaret……, 1, f, – , Germany
1860 Allegheny Co., Pa Census; Versailles Twp; P.O. McKeesport; 6 June; P.11; household 66:
Peter Myers; 55, m, – , Coal Miner; $1000, $75; Prussia.
Catharine…; 55, f, – , Prussia.
Gertrude….; 23, f, – , Prussia.
Phoebe Jane…; 16, f, – , Penn.
JACOB……..; 14; m, – , Penn.*****
1870 Allegheny Co., Pa Census; McKeesport; 9 June; p.58;
Myers, Jacob; 23; m, W, Tinner; $0; $0; Penn.
(boarding in the residence of: Ryan, James, 45, b. Ireland)
1880 Allegheny Co., Pa Census; ED41 McKeesport, 2nd Ward; 12 June; p.33; Household 301:
MYRES, JACOB; w, m, 32, Tinner; Pa, Pa, Pa *****
………, Mary; w, f, 26, Wife; Pa, Pa, Pa.
………, JOHN; w, m, 6, Son; Pa. **** ?? *****
………, Mollie; w, f, 4, Dau.; Pa.
………, WILLIAM; w, m, 1, Son; Pa. *****
On the 1920 Allegheny census for the 6th Ward of McKeesport;
there is a William, 41, “Brother”, living in the residence of John (44) and Jennie (43) Myers. This is the only ‘three-point-match’ for these combinations in Pennsylvania.
The only MYERS variant found which name a John and William as ‘sons’ in 1880 is listed above. That looks like a match, but there is a contradiction further on which ‘begs the question’ …
So… please name one of your aunts or uncles’ first names for the solution because there were more than one John and Jennie Myers in 1900 and 1910 Allegheny Co., Pa…
Name one and prove you’re serious about tracing your family.
Bill
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