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Thanks. The last two records are correct. He is staying with a James Ryan and learing the tinner trade. A tinner is a tinsmith. The Myers line usually are goldsmiths silversmith tinsmiths or blacksmiths such as the Slate Creek Jacob Myers in Kentucky. The last census you have is also correct. His wife is Mary Haben. I believe James Ryan maybe a relative my marrage. That is, James Ryan and Hennry Myers arrived together in Mckeesport around 1840 from Baltimore. They had a rather large contract to supply wagons for the government in the Mexico war. It’s also in the Old Pittsburgh History Book.
Since I haven’t heard anything from Bill Childs is several days I am not sure how his input helps. Besides, raw factual information without motivation and additional family paperwork is really trash. I have at least some spotty paperwork that connects me to Alexander Spotswood.
I have heard about Peter and Catherine Myers and their son Jacob who’s age is all over the place. In 1860 maybe Feb 5, 1861, they come in to some money and the family moves 10 miles south of Mckeeport. They have about about a 1000 acre plot with 3 other 200 acre plots all along the river. He is more like a mine owner then a minor. His bio is also in the Pittsburgh History Books as born in Germany but because of all the politics in Germany at the time came to Pittsburgh to be a coal minor. In that time frame, “1840-1850, it might be better to have come from Germany then to say your one of the Old Pittsburgh Myers’s with Native American Blood. If you did, you would be on your way to Iowa for sure. I had a long talk with the census people and what was recorded is what ever the person who answered the door said. Then 160 years later, what is said is cast into stone. I have pictures of that family and they do not look like my family but one never knows.
There are some other interesting things about the above Peter and Catherine Myers of Pittsburgh but I think I will save that for later.
Other family memebers of John and Jennie would be Dan, Lawrence, Mildred, Rose.
Jennies dad would be Daniel and not William. I made a mistake. I had too many Williams on my mind. Caption Raymond S. McIntyre had two sons. Caption John W McIntyre b 1836 and Caption Daniel McIntyre b about 1845. Both had a daughter named Jennie but 10 years apart. Raymond Mcintyre’s wife is Jane Dunseith. Her parents are Thomans Dunseith and Jane Powell. Thomas Dunseith and Jane Powell, Alexander Lewis and 3 other Lewises died Feb 5 1861 of Typhoid Fever. They were all buried together at Versailes Mckeesport Cemetery. As coincidence would have it, records show Abraham Lincoln happened to be in town latter that week. Thomas Dunseith was a keel boat builder and Alexander Lewis holds the very first patent in the US for a device that keeps keel boats from tipping over in white water. Then there is Dunseith ND.
1920 Allegheny Co., Pa Census; ED211 McKeesport, Ward 6; 2 March; Sheet 9B; household 206:
MYERS, John; Tinner, Shop; m, W, 46, married; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Jennie; Wife; f, W, 43, married; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Daniel; son; m, W, 21; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Mildred; dau; f, W, 19; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Lawrence; son; m, W, 16; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Rose; dau; f, W, 14; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Bryan; son; m, W, 11; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Woodrow; son, m, W, 7; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Robert; son, m, W, 5; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., William; Brother; m, W, 41; Pa, Pa, Pa.
MUSTER, Margaret; dau; f, W, 24, married; Pa, Pa, Pa.
………., William; son-in-law; m, W, 24, married; Pa, Pa, Pa.
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1910 Allegheny Co., Pa Census; ED126 McKeesport, Ward 5; 28 April; Sheet 14A; 708 Shaw Ave; household 283:
MYERS, John; Tinner; m, W, 36; marrd 15 yrs; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Jennie; Wife; f, W, 33; marrd 15; 8 children, 6 living; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Margaret; dau; f, W, 14; Pa.
…….., Daniel; son; 12; Pa.
…….., Mildred; dau; 10; Pa.
…….., Lawrence; son; 7; Pa.
…….., Rose; dau; 5; Pa.
…….., Bryan; son; 1 yr 4 months; Pa.
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1900 Allegheny Co., Pa; ED420 McKeesport, Ward 3; 2 June; Sheet 2B; 316 Spring St; household 60:
MYERS, John G. M.; Tinner; W, m, Feb 1874, 26, marrd 5 yrs; Pa, Pa, Pa.
…….., Jennie D.; Wife; W, f, Aug 1875, 24, m’d 5, 3 childr, 2 living; Pa,Pa,Pa
…….., Margaret; dau; W, f, Mar 1896, 4; Pa.
…….., Daniel; son; W, m, July 1898, 1; Pa.
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The Spotswood players.
Alexander Spotswood Gov of Virginia. First to introduce IRON Making into America
His children from Elizabeth Brayne
John Married Mary Dandridge a cousin to Martha Washington
Anne Catherine
Dorothea Married Nathaniel Dandridge also cousin to Martha Washington
Robert Died at Fort Pitt in Pittsburgh 1755 in Braddocks attack
PATRICK HENRY married Dorothea Spotswood Dandridge granddaughter to Alexander Spotswood and daughter to Gen Alexander Spotswood.
Jacob Myers has over 250 Kentucky Lang Grands totaling 1 million acres purchased with 1 million dollars war bonds all signed by PATRICK HENRY from 1780 to 1790
A Jacob Myers started the Slate Creek IRON Works in Kentucky from a land grant signed by Patrick Henry.
Jacob Myers starts the first scheduled riverboat service from PITTSBURGH to Cincinnati with a stopover in Limestone Kentucky October 23, 1793.
Jacob F Myers along with about 10 other Myers family members are listed in the Gen Alexander Spotswood and Heirs Will last updated 1853. Jacob Myers died and his son Jacob F Myers would be about 8 years old.
George Washington visited the Widow Myers Tavern in Pittsburgh. First in October 17 1770 and later in November 23 1770. He make a note of it in his diary.
I know these are a string of coincidences but then again they may not be. It might be more of a string of KINSHIP.
These are all Google items which takes about 5 min to check out.
The next question is:
Is there a documented MYERS family in America that is both wealthy and into metal work and boat building plus might know George Washington, Alexander Spotswood, Patrick Henry and Paul Revere. The answer is a big YES.
They are Dutch Jews from Holland with family members living in France, Spain, Brazil, Sydney Australia. Somehow Alexander Spotswood talked them into moving to Boston, Road Island and the New York City area around 1700.
They are a very wealthy Jewish family with the last names of Myers, Hays and Mordecai. One very well documented member was Myer Myers of New York. He was a Silversmith who worked with Paul Revere through the Hays family of Road Island. Later in the mid 1700, family members spread out to Lancaster, Bedford, Pittsburgh PA. Some went to Kentucky, Richmond and Norfolk Va, Then others went to the Baltimore/Delaware area. The Myers family tended to be metal workers and boat builders. The Hays family were merchants. The Mordecai family, the least wealthy of the group, is mostly located in the South and were into farming cotton and tobacco.
Jacob Myers of Kentucky would both know Patrick Henry through his family connections and have a million dollars to spend on Kentucky land in 1785. The Jacob Myers of Richmond VA would also know how to build the Slate Creek Iron Works in Kentucky because that is his family business. It would be eazy for him to get a Land Grant from Patrick Henry, a Spotswood relative, It would also be eazy to sell the WORKS to the Owings family from Baltimore as these are all family ties.
The Myers family do seem to disappear from the scene after 1820 or so. I think it’s because these rather wealthy metal working boat building Myers men had an eye for Royal Blood Native American woman who tended to be Catholic. It would be real tough to be a mixed Native American Catholic with Jewish blood in 1830.
More Kinship Between the Players.
Thomas Jeffersons brother Randolph Jefferson is married to Anne Jefferson Lewis daughter of Charles Lewis and Mary Randolph.
Betty Washington, George Washington’s sister is married to Fielding Lewis.
This is the same overall Lewis family that Mariweather Lewis belongs to.
Just for fun:
Mordecai Lincoln Sr, Abraham Lincoln’s gggrandfather was born 24 Apr 1686 in Norfolk Co Massachusetts.
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I though I would add more kinship between the players of Lewis and Clark and the Boats of Pittsburgh.
George Washington married to Martha Dandridge her second marrage.
George Washingtons sister Betty Washington marrried to Fielding Lewis related to Meriweather Lewis.
Gov Alexander Spotswood son John Spotswood married to Mary Dandridge cousin to Martha Dandridge, George Washington’s wife. Gen Alexander Spotswood son of the above John and Mary Spotswood married to Elizabeth Washington niece to George Washingto.
Gov Patrick Henry married to Dorothea Spotswood his second wife who is the daughter of Gov Alexander Spotswood.
Thomas Jefferson’s brother Randolph married to Anne Lewis related to Meriwether Lewis.
Jacob Myers of Kentucky and Pittsburgh related to the Spotswood Family through the Moore and Walker families plus maybe an adoption. Started the first riverboat servce in Pittsburgh October 23 1793.
William Clark childhood friend of Meriwether Lewis 1/2 brother Gen Rogers Clark ordered 7 boats from Jacob Myers to be built in Pittsburgh May 30 1780 and to be billed to Patrick Henry. The boats were used in the Illinois campaign.
Meriwether Lewis related to Fielding Lewis and Anne Lewis stationed in the Army in Pittsburgh with childhood friend William Clark. Became Thomas Jefferson’s assistant in 1802.
As you know, for the last year or so I have been doing research on the Jacob Myers who owns about one million acres of Kentucky land spread over 200+ land grants signed by Patrick Henry. Most grants were issued around 1785-86 time frame.
I also find a Jacob Myers who built the Slate Creek Iron Works in Kentucky with 5000 acres of land given to him by Patrick Henry.
This is what I have.
I found a record in a Jewish publication dated in the early 1930’s that Jacob Myers was with George Washington and Christopher Gist at the head of the Ohio (Pittsburgh) in 1754. Records do show that Surveyors Christopher Gist and George Washington went to the head of the Ohio in the fall of 1753 and stayed to the Spring of 1754. They were working for both the Ohio Company and the Gov of Virginia. The Group visited Queen Alliquippa on December 24 1753.
Some records show that Christopher Gist’s great great grandmother is Ann Washington.
Also noted is that Christopher Gist has two brothers named Thomas and Nathan Gist. Thomas Gist is married to Susan Cockey of Baltimore. Susan Cockey is John Cockey Owings aunt. John Cockey Owings of Baltimore purchased the Slate Creek Iron Works from Jacob Myers in the late 1780’s.
Surveyor Christopher Gist was with Dr. Thomas Walker in the first explorations of Kentucky. Dr. Thomas Walker is married to Mildred Meriwether. Their son John Walker is married to Elizabeth Moore who is Gov Alexander Spotswood’s granddaughter.
Patrick Henry is also married to another one of Gov Alexander Spotswoods granddaughters Dorothea Dandridge. I found a record that the Gist family attended the Wedding October 25 1777. One of the Gist’s daughters played the Piano.
Surveyor Jacob Myers’s son William Myers is married to Caroline Grundy. The Grundy family lived in Pittsburgh area for a time. Caroline Grundy Myers and her Myers children and grandchildren including my great grandfather Jacob FISHER Myers are listed in General Alexander Spotswood’s Intestate Kentucky Court Ordered Will as known heirs to the Spotswood Estate. General Alexander Spotswood is Gov Alexander Spotswood’s grandson.
Gov Alexander Spotswood was credited in bring experts in Iron Making to America in the early 1700’s.
There is a wealthy Dutch Jewish family called Myers Hays Mordecai clan attached to the Gratz family of Philadelphia and the Gist family of Baltimore. Mordecai Gist was a General under George Washington.
I have a record from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette that Jacob Myers started the very first scheduled riverboat service out of Pittsburgh to Kentucky Oct 14 1793. The paper points out that his business partners are the Gratz brothers of Philadelphia. Gen Harry Lighthorse Lee who is Gen Robert E Lees Father took over these boats during the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794.
I also have a record that Jacob Myers built 7 boats for Gen Rogers Clark of Pittsburgh in the summer of 1780. The record indicates the boats were paid for by Patrick Henry. In Christopher Gist notes, he points out that he used his family’s boat to travel to Kentucky.
Then Miers Fisher was Benjamin Franklin’s expert in the Rumseian Society to build the country’s first steam boat. Miers Fisher introduced James Femimore Cooper to Ned Myers on the ship “The Sterling”. James Fenimore Cooper wrote a story about Ned Myers titled Ned Myers. He also wrote a story Drums Along the Mohawk basing his story on Hanging Maw and Jemima Boone.
Last I found family members that remember a crazy story that the Myers Mcintyre Dunseith Lewis Bruce riverboat family lost the boat company in Pittsburgh during the Civil War because they were related to Gen Robert E Lee. Gen Robert E Lee is the great great grandson of Gov Alexander Spotswood.
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