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There is a Bolling Family Association. Google them on the internet. My father was a Bouldin, but when he had his DNA done it showed he was a Bolling. I am in the Bolling 5 group and we have a forum similar to this. And yes due to the family using many different spellings of our last name we can’t place alot of our ancestors, that is why we use DNA and even that just showed a loop in my family tree. They have Blue Bollings and Red Bollings and you have a son that was a Torie and a son that Was a Patriot. The father was a Torie so he disowned the son that was a patriot, so that son change the spelling of his name to Bowling. That is the line DNA says my family is from. The Blue and Red Bolling has something to do with Pocohotas and her granddaughter marrying a Bolling. One thing my father may have had his name spelled Bouldin on his birth certificate, but Bouldin are not of the same family according to DNA. It’s funny Dad’s last name is spelled Bouldin on his birth certificate and his Dad’s name is spelled Bowlin. It sure has made family research lots of fun. Cindi
i’ve been reading what I can find on the Internet about Powhatan. But a lot of what is on the Internet is not factual.
Dakota54, that is the truth. If anyone is in doubt, pick two sources and see if they agree. (Preferably two sources that are not copied from the same place)
Several of my lines are in published books and other things that disagree with each other. If anybody from those lines passes along info from one source without knowing about the other, they may be real confident that they got it right. But did they?
My information on Pocahontas is really from the St Clair family of Pittsburgh. If indeed Pocahontas went to England to visit King James, the St Clair family of Scotland would have been involved. An Oliver Cromwell descendent who lives in England today believes Pocahnontas is buried next to or very near Henry VII at Westminister Abbey.
If you look at the records of the Cromwell family and Ann Boleyn’s family, this makes sense if indeed Pocahontas had red hair. I understand Boleyn was changed to Bolling when the family came to America.
Thomas Lord Fairfax’s grandfather was a General in Oliver Cromwell’s army. Bishop Meade was both related to Thomas Cromwell and his great nephew Oliver Cromwell by the book “The Life of Bishop Meade”.
Hi DAJ42 Try Googling ‘Highland Clearances’, it may shed some light on how the Highlanders ended up on the Emerald Isle.
I am not sure how this connects to the St Clair family of Pittsburgh and Scotland and to Oliver Cromwell and his great uncle Thomas Cromwell and to Anne Boleyn.
You might know that the St Clair family claim they were in the Americas before Columbus. That may or may not be true. What is true is King James commissioned watercolors of the Powhaten family of Pocahontas. These painting depict the family having red hair or red mud in their hair.
All the actions recorded in History about the meeting of Pocahontas with King James and her year stay at Ham House in Richmond England indicate to me she had red hair just like Thomas Jefferson and the Randolph family.
Fast forward to Pittsburgh in 1750 when Thomas Jefferson father Peter Jefferson gave about 150 Native Americans, who I believe had red hair, about 15000 acres of land on the high ground of Pittsburgh about 13 miles from the Forks of the Ohio. With them were the St Clair and Bruce families from Scotland. One of the land grants was actually called the Bruce Grant. It was located in Clairton PA another 2 miles out. It’s not far from Upper St Clair township next to Roselyn Farms.
Three Crows, thanks. My studies of the Highland Clearances have always indicated that the bulk of highlanders affected ended up in the Carolinas, Canada, Caribbean. Yes, some were forced to Ulster, where they were a very tiny minority of the Ulster population.
The bulk of the Highland Clearances started in Sutherland circa 1807, which is after the main sequence of events in this thread: John Ross’s father had come to the Americas well before then from Scotland. Of those who had emigrated earlier, either volutarily or not, many who resided in the Carolinas during the American Revolution sided with the English and returned to Scotland after losing a handful of battles against some of the revolutionaries. Flora MacDonald, she who helped Bonnie Prince Charlie escape after Culloden, was one of those who returned from the New World.
Hi DAJ
My own studies indicate that the Highland crofters were displaced from the fertile lands, to the coastline (by the English to make room for sheep) where they were expected to make a living harvesting sea salt from kelp. The coastal terrain was very poor for farming, and the salt business was not enough to feed them. This made Ireland look pretty good, and so many departed for Northern Ireland.
Thanks for your observations. I hate to deviate too much from the purpose of this forum, so I will henceforth desist from subjecting the good folks of Saponitown to any more Celtic history lessons.
God bless Bonnie Prince Charlie.
T.C.
larry myers;34299 wrote: My information on Pocahontas is really from the St Clair family of Pittsburgh. If indeed Pocahontas went to England to visit King James, the St Clair family of Scotland would have been involved. An Oliver Cromwell descendent who lives in England today believes Pocahnontas is buried next to or very near Henry VII at Westminister Abbey.
If you look at the records of the Cromwell family and Ann Boleyn’s family, this makes sense if indeed Pocahontas had red hair. I understand Boleyn was changed to Bolling when the family came to America.
Thomas Lord Fairfax’s grandfather was a General in Oliver Cromwell’s army. Bishop Meade was both related to Thomas Cromwell and his great nephew Oliver Cromwell by the book “The Life of Bishop Meade”.
— Just reviewing some.
Pocahontas was buried at St. George Church, Gravesend, Kent Co., England. She was buried inside but the Church burned and all those buried inside were re-interred into the Graveyard outside of the Church. As far as the Bolling names goes, it was changed in England long before Robert Bolling came to VA and married, Jane Rolfe, the grand daughter of Pocahontas. The closest original variant is “de Bolynge” – Edward Bolling b. 1516 lived in Chellow, Yorkshire, England. His grandson, Edward b. 1560, lived in the Bolling Castle in Bradford, Yorkshire, England. The Castle was named Bolling Castle so they were using that name at that time. Pocahontas’ hair was black. I descend from Pocahontas through a long line of grandmothers. Hope this helps some. Clydene
larry myers;34299 wrote: My information on Pocahontas is really from the St Clair family of Pittsburgh. If indeed Pocahontas went to England to visit King James, the St Clair family of Scotland would have been involved. An Oliver Cromwell descendent who lives in England today believes Pocahnontas is buried next to or very near Henry VII at Westminister Abbey.
If you look at the records of the Cromwell family and Ann Boleyn’s family, this makes sense if indeed Pocahontas had red hair. I understand Boleyn was changed to Bolling when the family came to America.
Thomas Lord Fairfax’s grandfather was a General in Oliver Cromwell’s army. Bishop Meade was both related to Thomas Cromwell and his great nephew Oliver Cromwell by the book “The Life of Bishop Meade”.
— Just reviewing some.
Pocahontas was buried at St. George Church, Gravesend, Kent Co., England. She was buried inside but the Church burned and all those buried inside were re-interred into the Graveyard outside of the Church. As far as the Bolling names goes, it was changed in England long before Robert Bolling came to VA and married, Jane Rolfe, the grand daughter of Pocahontas. The closest original variant is “de Bolynge” – Edward Bolling b. 1516 lived in Chellow, Yorkshire, England. His grandson, Edward b. 1560, lived in the Bolling Castle in Bradford, Yorkshire, England. The Castle was named Bolling Castle so they were using that name at that time. Pocahontas’ hair was black. I descend from Pocahontas through a long line of grandmothers. Hope this helps some. Clydene
There are sources that show Martha Coppock as the wife of John Ross. There are more details in my post about Mary & Martha Coppock who were “captured by Indians”. The sources that get more specific about the capturing tribe list it as alternatively as Cherokee, Choctaw, and Tuscarora / Saponi. Anyone else seen this info?
well I don’t know if you know this or not but you can’t have black hair in a population without having red hair in the population .
the light side of black is red to nearly white hints of orange /strawberry blonds to almost white .
anyone living in a shaded places / fog/ tree cover/ etc etc could trigger a light phase of the color spectrum of mostly their fathers genes. well or maybe the mothers fathers genes. so as soon as everyone built houses that could shade you and you can get fairer skin and eyes and hair was then possible.
and the light side of brown hair gene is blond colors . and red is not possible..
so only if there was true black was red possible.
so anthropologist can think what the want .. but they are fools and don’t understand how stuff works IRL.
besides the fact that every color has been documents on this continent , just proves everything is possible. and color is about more than
“race”, no matter what the raciest tell us.
but while running around near naked and living in little huts means our ancestors weren’t going to usually get the light side of the fathers color range or the mothers fathers color range either .
besides the there black and white everything else is about local adaptations to an environment and to a land and conditions AT THAT MOMENT… as so as anything changes even the slightest so can everything. from group picking up a few more color colors from raids to picking up more light colors in raids and wars .
even 5% change in males in a group can change the group’s tones and colors .
so if true black colors was in any male line, and genes in their genetics was ever here and it had to be , under certain environmental conditions red was always possible.
if there was brown hair genes( and there had to be ) then blond was always possible under certain environmental conditions.
just laugh off their stupid raciest stuff.
scientist really are clueless.
I think, well I suspect Being of this land means nothing more than being adapted to it and to the conditions our ancestors were in and the food they ate . .. since we no longer live in those conditions we all will change “looks” . does that mean we stop being what ‘race ” they were because we now work indoors and live in houses where we don’t spend 24/7 in the sun shine? does that mean we loose our history or our inheritances ? does that mean our ancestors are no long our ancestors because we no long share their coloring because we living in air conditioning?
let the ignorant science and their minions mock..
they are clueless.
hope that helps.
for an idea of coloring study the genetics and coloring of say cow breeds to get hints which colors go together . ps remember white isn’t a color but a spot of no coloring over a color .
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