- This topic has 9 voices and 36 replies.
-
Posts
-
Jeanne,
We’re going to have to start working on this to figure out exactly how you fit.
My lineage is:
Allen Turner/Eliza June Scott
(Daughter) Amanda Turner/Lovel Poythress
(Son) Horace Poythress/Laura Turner (d. of Allen Jr. and Etterid Turner) Allen Jr is the brother of above Amanda.
(Daughter) Mamie Poythress/Anthony Peters{on}
(Daughter) Ola Peters{on}/Charles Walker (My grandparents)
I tie into the Turners every which way I turn. This is what I have on the Turner line you spoke of,
Lundy Jack had Emma D., Mattie, Marshall (which we called Cat),
Rufus and Peter. Cat married my grgrandmother’s sister Laura Poythress. My mother knew them very well.
Lundy’s parents were William David and Adelaid Poythress Turner.
They were married in Northampton County 2-2-1875.
Their children were:
Sid G. Turner born 5-9-1876
Jarrett Turner born abt 1877
Eunice Bell Turner born born 2-29-1884 (married Robert Poythress son of Richard and Ada Turner Poythress)
Charlie Turner born ? married Gracie Turner, 2nd Phelia Poythress (daughter of James and Mary Peters Poythress)
Julianna Turner born ? married George Turner (They had a son names George Jr. They lived in Saratoga, Wilson County. My mother used to go to the prayer meetings at their house).
Lundy Jack Turner born ? married Annie.
Adelaid Poythress is the daughter of Sterling and Elizabeth Turner Poythress. Elizabeth is the daughter of Allen Turner and Eliza June Scott. Sterling is the son of James and Sarah Crowder Poythress.
I have more info on this line and their branches if you would like.
Just let me know. 🙂 Once this group made their way down to Wilson, they were able to pass as white and so documented. In Northampton and Halifax, they were FPC, Mulatto, Colored, Black and then Portuguese. I have the legislative papers regarding the race change to Portuguese. I’m in touch with a few cousins in the settlement and we’re hoping to have a large family reunion sometime around August.
You will find we didn’t marry to far away from each other. So, we’re our own grandma. LOL
Family for the most part are still refusing to talk. Too many hard memories for them.
Regarding the Brunswick/Greensville County VA connections. That’s what I am working on now. We have a group of Turners that are in Greensville but the time frame I am working is mid 1700’s. The settlement was on the border. Half in VA, half in NC. The Turners in VA were known as the Gypsy Turners.
Crystal
Jeanna & Crystal,
Lundy Turner was born abt. 1875, per 1900 Northhampton Co NC census, ED67 Gaston Twp, p.16A.
Lundy Turner, Farmer, Jun 1875, 25, m’d 5 yrs; NC, NC, NC.
Annie; wife; b.June 1877, m’d 5 yrs; NC, NC, NC.
Rufus L., son, b.Feb 1897, 3, NC.
Marshall, son, b.Mar 1898, 2, NC.
In 1910 Northhampton Co, Lundy’s family is:
Lundy, farmer, 34, m’d 15 yrs, b.NC
Annie, wife, 30, m’d 15 yrs, had 6 children, 4 living; b.NC.
Rufus, son, 12, NC.
EMMA D., dau, 7, NC****
Marshall, son, 3, NC.
Lucy (?), dau, 11 (?) months, NC
Speculation: The Marshall b.1898 may have died and a son b. 1907 was also then named Marshall.
I figured something out today also with the help of my mother’s memory. Thank GOD she has one like an elephant.
Lundy Jack was called L.T. as a nickname. Miss Annie was his wife. We’ve established that. BUT, Miss Annie is a Turner by birth as well. She is the sister of Lillie Turner that married our infamous Couch Scott that appears on the 1910 census and on Forrest’s hogbuster page. We have found a gent in Wilson that can identify almost everyone in the Scott family picture. He knew Mrs Scott (Grandma Lillie). Miss Annie gave my mother her first taste of Onion Soup and taught her how to make it when she was very young. They lived just outside of Kenly, Wilson County by 1940.
Bill,
Can you see if you can find the parents listed on some earlier census for the following children:
Annie Turner
Elizabeth Turner
“Bud” Turner
James Turner
Lillie Turner
Lucy Turner
These are all siblings and I know who most married but we can’t find the parents. I believe it will be a James J. and Mary Turner but I don’t know you they are. Thanks.
Crystal,
James J., wife Mary, children named James W. and Lucy found in the same Northhampton Co family and I only found one James Turner there.
“Zeteriah” Turner, the Aunt of James W. Turner, son of James J. & Mary, would probably be the sister-in-law of James J. Turner, your proposed father of Lillie and Annie.
1910 Northhampton Co NC census, ED75 Gaston Twp, 16 May, p.10B:
at 120, 121
TURNER, Zeteriah; Own Income; f, PT, 60, W’d, NC, NC, NC.
POYTHRESS, Bessie; G.Dau; f, PT, 5, NC, NC, NC.
TURNER, James W.; Nephew, m, PT, 23, NC, NC, NC, Farmer.
(son of James T. & Mary Turner in 1900)
Next Door, at 121, 122
TURNER, James J., Farmer; m, PT. 59, m-1, 37 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Mary; wife, f, PT, 55, m-1, 37 yrs, 10/9; NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Charlie W.; son, m, PT, 19, NC.
(ditto), Jessie J.; son, m, PT, 17, NC.
(Mary had 10 children and 9 were still living – only 5 are accounted for on the 1900 census.)
p.10A, at 112, 113:
SCOTT, Couch; farmer, m, PT, 35, m-1, 16 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Lillie H.(?); wife, f, PT, 28, m-1, 16 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Jim (?) K.(?); son, 7, NC.
(ditto), Sim (?); son, 4, NC.
(ditto), Addam; son, 2, NC.
(ditto), Eva; dau, 1 + 6 months, NC.
(Lundy & Annie Turner are 2 doors away at 110, 111.)
Lillie, b.abt1882, born after the 1880 census and married before the 1900 census, can’t be connected except by inference.
1900 (same census Co.), ED67 Gaston East Pct, p.17A
(Lundy and Annie Turner are at 278, 287, neither of whom were found in 1880 NC or Va – but I’ll look again.)
at 304, 313
TURNER, James; farmer; Apr 1851, 49, m-27 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Mary; wife; Jan 1853, 47, m-27, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Eava; dau; Mar 1884, 16, NC. (“Eva”)
(ditto), James W.; son, Dec 1887, 12, NC.****
(ditto), Lucy O.(?); dau, Jan 1890, 10, NC.****
(ditto), Charlie W.; son, Apr 1892, 8, NC.
(ditto), Jessie J.; son, May 1893, 6, NC.
at 305, 314:
TURNER, Albert; farmer; Jan 1844, 56, m-35, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Eddie R.; wife, Mar 1856, 44, m-35, 1/1, NC, NC, NC.
at 306, 315:
BASS, Norman; farmer; Apr 1864, 36, m-18, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Bettie; wife; Aug 1865, 34, m-18, 6/6, NC, NC, NC.
(6 children listed)
at 307, 316:
TURNER, Esrion (Erron?); farmer; Jul 1874, 25, m-5, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Hellen; wife; Jan 1876, 24, m-5, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Burnice; dau; Apr 1899, 1, NC.
(ditto), Infant; dau; Mar 1900, 2/12, NC.
(added on 1910 census:
Harvey, son, 9, NC.
-illedgible-, dau, 7, NC.
-illedgible-, son, 3, NC.
Carrie, dau, 1, NC.
at 308, 317:
TURNER, Eliga (“Elijah”); farmer, Mar 1876, 24, m-0, NC,NC,NC.
(ditto), Dollie (Sallie?); wife, Feb 1880, 20, m-0, NC,NC,NC.
(added on 1910 census:
Blanch, dau, 10, NC.
Clarence, son, 8, NC.
Plumniss, dau, 6, NC.
Marvin, son, 2, NC.
I didn’t find any of these people except in these 2 census years, including up in 1880 Greensville Co., Va.- Hope you can think of where they may have come from.
I paged thru the 1900 Northhampton Co, Gaston East Pct, census and didn’t find “Zeteriah” there. Looked around for her “all states”, hoping she would be nearby James and Mary Turner but couldn’t find her under any spelling I could think of, nor by listing all Turners in 1900 N.Carolina – I hate it when they hide like this ! 🙂
James & Mary Turner weren’t found in 1880 NC or Va either.
Got any ideas?
Bill
Zeteriah is our infamous Etteriah. She is the wife of Albert J. Turner. Her parents were Benjamin and Nelly Turner. Benjamin’s mother is the elusive Winnifred Turner. Albert is the son of Allen Turner and Eliza June Scott.
Etteriah is the mother of Laura Turner that married Horace Poythress. Grandma Laura passed away by 1910 and Bessie went to live with her grandmother. She married Mathew Hales.
Thank you for that but I don’t know where else to look other than maybe Warren? I dunno.
Crystal
Jeanna,
Samuel Jones’s Parents:
1930 Brunswick Co., Va census, ED8 Red Oak Mag.Dist.
10 April; p.8A (stamped as p.165A), at 137, 139:
JONES, Soloman; farmer, 47, m’d @ 20, Va, Va, Va.
” , Jessie S.; wife, 38, m’d @ 16. Va, Va, Va.
” , SAMUEL; son, 19, Va.****
” , Rebecca M.; dau, 16, Va.
” , William E.; son, 14, Va.
” , George M.; son, 12, Va.
” , Fredrick; son, 10, Va.
” , Norman T.; son, 8, Va. (twin)
” , Thomas T.; son, 8, Va. (twin)
” , Soloman Jr.; son, 6, Va.
” , Kathaleen; dau, 1 + 7 months.
” , Nannie L.; Niece, 15, Va (dau of Soloman’s brother Edwin)
” , ELLA; Mother, 80, widowed, Va.
While all these were listed as “B”, Soloman’s sister Lucy and her children were listed “MU”.
Soloman/Kiah’s siblings listed as Ella’s children in 1900:
Edwin, son, b.May 1884.
Mattie, dau, b.Mar 1887.
Irena, dau, b.Apr 1891.
William, son, b.Jan 1892 (?)
Florence G., dau, b.Apr 1892 (?)
Lucy, dau, b.Feb 1893.
Susan M., dau, Feb 1894 (“Sulla”)
Ella B.; dau, b.May 1895. (twin)
Emmet D.; son, b.May 1895.
On the 1900 and 1920 census, Soloman is listed as “Kiah”.
On 1900 census, Kiah was b.Feb 1880.
On 1900 census, Ella Jones, b.May 1850, is already widowed.
The only Ella Jones of the right age on the 1880 census is the wife of Soloman Jones, b.abt.1815 Va., but Kiah/Soloman, b.1880 is not listed with them so I’m unable to say with absolute certainty that these are Kiah’s parents. (Sturgeon Dist., p.232B, at 58, 58.)
This Ella on the 1870 census, was 19 yrs old, m’d to Soloman, 45, (b.abt.1825 – but these are the same Soloman & Ella) and have Jones children Isabella, 10, & Harry, 6, living with them who may be Ella’s siblings (?) or Soloman’s children by a previous wife and there is an Elizabeth Walker, 2, and William Walker, 4, also living with them in Totaro District, Brunswick Co., p.123A, at 239, 266.
If you need anything else, let me know.
Bill
I knew I’d heard the name Clary sometime this week. There were some sisters at the Occoneechee State Park pow wow who have this name, and a number of other VERY intriguing surnames. They live in La Crosse, VA. I’m hoping they’ll be posting here soon.
Bill-
According to my father (Thomas “Tommy” Jones) my grandfather , Samuel Thomas Jones’ parents were Benjamin Jones and Ella Clary Jones from Gasburg VA-Brunswick co. Sam’s brothers were Willie J., Emmett, Albert, and sisters were Cody (female) and Minnie. I need further info on Benjamin and Ella from Brunswick CO. also I do know that Sams birthday is either Dec 24 or 25 ,1909 and he died approx. Dec 12 or 21 1972 in Roanoke Rapids,NC
Jeanna,
As you know, Gasburg is a small town near the NC border. Census records are annotated by Precincts and/or Townships. None of the census records break-out Gasburg specifically, it is included in a larger precinct or township. I don’t know what precinct/township it would have been in.
Ages shown on census records can be “off” by as much as 2yrs and sometimes even more.
Census index lists may not be complete but having checked census index lists for every county within 50 miles of Gasburg, both in Va and NC, there is no Benjamin Jones with a wife Ella and no Benjamin with children named Willie, Emmett, Albert, Cody or Minnie.
The only family having an Ella, William, Emmett AND a Samuel, is the one I listed for Red Oak Twp in Brunswick Co., Va. Cody and Minnie could have been nicknames. This Samuel is the only one in the area who might have been born around 1909, plus or minus 2 yrs. (There is no Thomas within any reasonable margin of age error, either.)
In this case, Ella Jones is the grandmother, not mother of Samuel but this Samuel does have brothers named William and Emmett.
If this is not them, then they have been left off of several consecutive censuses.
With all due respect, you might have to do some digging in the Brunswick county courthouse to verify some of the info you have.
Bill
The pic is of my grandmother Fannie Turner Jones-daughter of Nat and Emma Turner and granddaughter of Lundy “LT” and Annie Turner. She is in pic with her son (My Dad) Tommy Jones
“I knew I’d heard the name Clary sometime this week. There were some sisters at the Occoneechee State Park pow wow who have this name, and a number of other VERY intriguing surnames. They live in La Crosse, VA. I’m hoping they’ll be posting here soon.”
Linda, wonder if Clary could be acossiated with Clardy?
WILLIAM COLLINS, born 1770, died 1837, married 1791 MARY CLARDY, daughter of JOHN CLARDY and ELIZABETH BULLINGTON. William and Mary moved across the State line from Mecklenburg County, Virginia, to Granville County, North Carolina, about the time he married. It is believed and assumed by early family members ca. 1920’s that he was the son of William Collins of Spotsylvania County who came to Halifax sometime in the early history of that county. William had five brothers and sisters: (from Richard A. Edwards)
Brenda
MY FATHER SAID THAT HIS GRANDFATHER CHANGED HIS NAME FROM CLAY TO CLARY, AND THEY WERE IN WARREN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA (JUST ACROSS BORDER BETWEEN VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA), THIS COULD GIVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION. I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE YET. DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION IN WARREN COUNTY. I KNOW BILL IS GREAT FOR THIS. (HI BILL-IT’S OLE “WHAT’S HER NAME”):D
MY DAD’S FAMILY HAS NAMES SUCH AS: VALENTINE, CLARY(CLAY), AND CYPRESS. HE SAID THAT BEFORE THEY LIVED IN NORTH CAROLINA, THAT THEY HAD MOVED FROM NEW YORK STATE (UP BY THE MOHAWK INDIANS). I DON’T KNOW WHAT TOWN.:confused:
MY GREAT GRANDFATHER’S NAME WAS “ANTILLICUS VALENTINE”, HOWEVER PEOPLE CALLED HIM “BROCK”. HE WAS MARRIED TO “MAHAILIA” AND MY OTHER GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS NAMED “PETER JAMES CLARY (CLAY) HE SAID THAT HE WAS BLACKFOOT AND HE WAS MARRIED TO “PANTHEA CYPRESS”. MY GREAT GRANDFATHERS KNEW WHAT NATIVE PLANTS TO USE AND I BELIEVE SPOKE SOME INDIAN TOO. I’LL CONFIRM WITH MY DAD AGAIN ABOUT LANGUAGE. I DO KNOW THAT HE SAID THAT THEY COULD NOT READ OR WRITE ANYTHING. THAT’S SO VERY SAD! I DO REMEMBER BROCK VALENTINE, HE WAS SHORT, DARK SKIN , HE DIED WHEN I WAS SMALL SO FORGIVE MY SHORT DESCRIPTION, I’LL CHECK WITH MY DAD. PERHAPS A LINK IS SOMEWHERE IN OUR FORUM. I’LL BE CHECKING BACK IN-BETWEEN SCHOOL WORK.
TAKE CARE EVERYONE, I KNOW THAT THE SPIRITS ARE WITH US AND VERY ANXIOUS FOR OUR KNOWLEDGE AND CONTINUED GROWTH AND AWARENESS!
Valentine is such a typical name for Mecklenburg and Brunswick counties. Wouldn’t it be interesting to trace your Clary/Clays and Valentines to NY and then back down here again? I wonder what we’ll find if we snoop around those census records from the early 1800’s in Cayuga and Oneida? or what it Onandaga? counties, with all the names that are such a glaring transplant of the set of names going on down here. (This set of names just “happens” to appear in these New York counties within a generation of the Saponi “disappearing” from history in exactly the same location. The Tutelo went on to Six Nations in Canada, but “nobody knows” what became of the Saponi. Yeah right. Vance, what are the statistical probabilities that a set of several dozen names would randomly occur in two widely separated locations, particularly when there’s historical references documenting that the first set of names moved to the location of the second?)
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
