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Chwe’n,
I work at the Employmet Office in Robeson Co. NC. I am fluent in Spanish,I’m the bilingual consultant there. I speak with hundreds of Mexicans a week.,from many different Nations(Tribes) of Mexico. Many speak their Native languages as well as Spanish. I have learned many words from the Indian dilects of Mexico.They are good people. The word “Indian” has become a derogatory word in Mexico like the “N” word here in the US. That is why alot of Mexican people don’t want to be called “Indian”, they also say that they are “Nativo” Native to the land, or Mexican or Mixtec,Aztec,Zapotec,Trique,Tarahumara,Mayan,etc.I subscribe to “Indian Country” and there was an article about the Mexican population and the emmigration law trying to be passed. The Mexican have a slogan on their T-Shirts saying “We don’t cross borders,borders crossed us” and ” Mexican,Not Latino,Not Hispanic”. There is a Tribe in Mexico called “Mejicano”
Oo-neh
Mike
Thanks Haliwagirl for the supporting words.
Mike, my spouse and four of my nine children are Mexican-Indian. So I understand what you are saying about Mexican’s seeing the Indian word. Now the children are proud to say they are Indian. The problem is or should I say opportunity is as such; the day that Mexicans stand up and say we ARE American Indians is the day that power shift from Euro-America to Indians on Turtle Island This simple statement from 100 million Indians also says with power-the border is illegal, we are indigenous and not aliens, you are the aliens here. It will be a brain twister for Euro-American but the truth is self-evident and will eventually prevail. So we have a catch 22.
It is like Black people in the 50’s of whom 99% were insulted when called Black. Then in the 1960’s some small group somewhere came up with the idea of, “I’m Black and I’m proud”. Overnight Black people wanted to be called black. All it takes in a trigger to set off an atomic bomb when the engery is already there. However, without the trigger the bomb is mere potential energy. We can be the trigger.
Barry
Thank you all for putting yourselves and your family on the line for ALL American Indian people, especially us INDIANS who passed for Black/African Americans for two or three generations. I’ve connected with some great people who do welcome me with open arms. I’m finally getting through to my mother about our heritage. Believe me…………we still struggle with Black/African Americans today that have no doubt in their minds that we are Indian and give us a hard time because of our features.
It is just hard……….hard to reverse brainwashing that has gone on for many generations. My people stayed in Southside VA and North Eastern NC up until my parent’s generation. Yes, the last generation moved away for jobs, etc. We are who we are….regardless of circumstances in the past.
Thanks again for those who are taking the initiative to take a stand for the PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. WE ARE STILL HERE WORLD!!!!:D
Barry, I just have to say, that is one of the most hostile avatars I’ve ever seen. Are you sure about that choice of photos? Anytime anybody reads one of your posts they’re going to want to be dodging for cover.
Barry,
I have to agree with Linda. I love you man, but that avatar has got to go….smile. It’s good to read something to make us smile for a change…
Jade
Linda,
To answer your question were in Wilson County…..that question you had all those years ago the answer is SARATOGA!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a resounding SARATOGA!!!!!!!! LOL There was and still are a big cluster of Nottoway and Tuscarora families in and all around Saratoga. The Bass lines are there to (Nansemond). This is were my grandfather came from.
Linda
Quest For Facts,
I am going to take this and start a new thread. This looks like something that should stand alone for further comment. Sounds like you are excited about a new discovery!
Brenda
Sometimes there is a time to put on ones war face. The email that I am about to release to the press regarding North American Indians, requires me to shift to warrior mode. It is the warrior face that empowered us to keep the golf course out of Occoneechee State Park. In times such as this one must expect attacks from everywhere: white society, some Indians, even some Mexicans. Many people have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo regardless of how it got there and who is oppressed by it now including their own people.
No other tribe took a position on the golf course, except the Sappony and I was personally and publicly attacked by our closest Indian friends regarding it. However, issues such as the golf course or Mexicans as Indians are issues where the ancestors are calling and there is no choice. The Mexican Indian issue is the only way that real power will come to Indians in America. It will get us off of the “recognition” addiction that Indian people are suck on. Recognition is no more than crumbs from the table and we need to be focused on the table and far more. Recognition keeps us fighting one another. So one must get prepared for battle and face the consequences when they come. And getting prepared as a warrior is part of getting prepared.
If we are smart we will accept as allies anyone who is truly an ally and get off of this who is Indian stuff. In the end we will discover that America is Indian, and rather than us being converted white, as was the white plan, everyone will be converted Indian or to Indian culture. This is not bad because we live in a world where white people have us all on a dead end road and we must get off this road or we will all die. This is why this forum is made of people from local Saponi Indian communities in Southside Virginia who are members of the Fort Christanna Saponi-Occoneechee tribe (FCSO) and individuals whose Indian ancestors moved away (now scattered all over the country) centuries ago and these individuals are looking to connect or reconnect with their Indian ancestry. Granted there are few of our local Saponi-Occoneechee tribal people who post here. However, most of our tribal people in our Indian communities are either not computer literate or they are quiet and reserved people.
Last year there was a big misunderstanding on this forum regarding which of these two groups actually owns this web site and forum because we, FCSO, had been so silent on the forum that we started. But the trend towards America becoming Indian is a good thing and it will continue and there is no way to stop it whether Indians, whites, blacks or Mexicans resist it. This is because it is the will of the ancestors!
Barry
Barry,
This topic seems more in line with the “Indian Issues” forum rather than the “Share History Research” Forum. Note that this thread is titled “”Tri-Racial Isolates of NC and VA” and you already apologized with sensitivity for using that old term from the pseudo-science of the past that feels so hurtful to many folks who didn’t like being objectified that way in academic papers and who also suffered/suffer from active assaults on their survival as a community. Please, lets all let this thread go. I hate to see that word staring up at the top of the list and other things being posted to it are getting lost, too.
Thanks a bunch,
Brenda
Brenda:
1) Linda brought up off topic issue of hositle Avatars so your post should be directed to Linda. I was just responding to Linda.
2) Please don’t try to explain my apology. This is the second time you have put words in my mouth and the second time they were not what I said. This is not the Indian way. Let a person’s words be their words. If anyone needs futher clarification they can ask the author.
3) If you have advice to give in facilitating a thread, some of this is best done off line for several obvious reasons.
Barry
Hi Black Dutch,
I live in Warrenton (Warren Co.), I assume you want the common surnames as well as the tribe. Well, the surnames are: Harris, Lynch, Richardson,Evans, Copeland and a few are: Jones, Williams, and Hardy. The tribe name is Haliwa Saponi. Actually, they are a mixture of Tuscarora, Meherrin, Nottoway and Saponi. There is no such thing as a Haliwa indian. The Haliwa comes from Hali (Halifax) and Wa (Warren) counties. My maternal grandmother is Haliwa Saponi and Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) and her mother (Harris) was from Hollister where the Haliwa Saponi are located.
I hope this will answer your question..
Jade:)
barryc wrote: Brenda:
1) Linda brought up off topic issue of hositle Avatars so your post should be directed to Linda. I was just responding to Linda.
2) Please don’t try to explain my apology. This is the second time you have put words in my mouth and the second time they were not what I said. This is not the Indian way. Let a person’s words be their words. If anyone needs futher clarification they can ask the author.
3) If you have advice to give in facilitating a thread, some of this is best done off line for several obvious reasons.
Barry
I think you are awesome, man! My hero.
Buffalowm wrote: Hi Black Dutch,
I live in Warrenton (Warren Co.), I assume you want the common surnames as well as the tribe. Well, the surnames are: Harris, Lynch, Richardson,Evans, Copeland and a few are: Jones, Williams, and Hardy. The tribe name is Haliwa Saponi. Actually, they are a mixture of Tuscarora, Meherrin, Nottoway and Saponi. There is no such thing as a Haliwa indian. The Haliwa comes from Hali (Halifax) and Wa (Warren) counties. My maternal grandmother is Haliwa Saponi and Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) and her mother (Harris) was from Hollister where the Haliwa Saponi are located.
I hope this will answer your question..
Jade:)
I have a #3-William Williams (Bertie Co., N.C.) born ca. 1700 in Bertie. He is descended from 2-Anthony Williams who married Martha Bush. 1-Lewis Williams married Mary Walburton. Have #4-Jesse Hardy (3-Lemuel, 2-William, and 1-John Hardy). Lemuel Hardy married Eliz. Parrott and her mother was Frances Johnson. These families go back to the earliest records in The Bertie-Chowan area of N.C. Also descend from Barefield family and see them living next to Meherrin Indian Town in Chowan.
I see some of the Hardy’s moving to Lincoln Co., GA and Williams moving to Sampson Co., N.C., they had one child they named Three Williams!
Have heard that Jenkins and Parrott’s are tied to Tuscarora Tribe. Have Jenkins, Hammond, Terrell and others in Granville/Warren area in mid to late 1700’s.
From your posts I know you are quite knowledgeable of the families connected to Saponi.
Hi Black Dutch,
There are many of the Haliwa Saponi that are of Tuscarora descent. There is a book I found in the library that had the history of all counties in NC. They listed the early inhabitants. On that list for Warren Co …and they are listed in order of the majority that were living in the area at the time…they were: Tuscarora, (there was another small NDN tribe..can’t remember right now..I don’t have the info with me here at work), European, Scotch-Iris, and last African. Tuscarora being the largest of the population at the time Warren Co became a county. Also in Martin and Bertie counties, Tuscaroras were the majority. My grandfather (mom’s father) is Tuscarora and he is from Martin Co. We have family buried in Indian Woods cemetery which is located on the old Tuscarora reservation.
You mentioned a way of knowning when someone responds to your post. There is an option you can chose where your personal info is , that will allow you to get an email when someone responds to your post. Send me an PM with your email address and I will be happy to talk with you by phone to answer any questions you may have.
Wankan Tanka kici un (Creator Bless You)
Jade
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