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http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/pocahontas/
The POWELL’s & GREEN’s are pocahontas descendants….
The above website ia a very old published document of the Descendants of Pocahontas during the early days….
“Governor Alexander Spotswood of Virginia decided that for the safety of the white settlements living in Greensville, Brunswick and “Mecklenburg Counties”
and the friendly Native Americans living in the area, he would confine them all to one living quarter. Thus, Fort Christanna, named for Christ and Queen Anne was built.”
Page 40…Line 5….Peggy Gordon (2nd marriage) Grief Green
of “Mecklenburg County, VA”
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My Great Grandfather , Willie Green married Gertrude (Powell) Green….
She was an mixed Indian…..
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POWELL:
Origin: Welsh
Spelling variations include: Powell, Powel, and others.
First found in in Breconshire where they were seated from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 AD.
Some of the first settlers of this name or some of its variants were: Caleb and Elizabeth Powel who settled in the Barbados with a child in 1678;
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John Powell settled in Virginia in 1607,
thirteen years before the “Mayflower”
; later in Virginia were; Ann 1635; Catherine 1623; David 1640; Edward 1654; Elizabeth 1652; Gody 1623; Henry 1635; Howel 1642; James 1655; John 1654; Kat and others.
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POWELL
http://longislandgenealogy.com/ligpowells.html
Powells (Boughton Moncheusy, Co. Kent, Ednop Newtown), descended from Ethelystan, Glodrydd, Prince of Ferlys, of this family was Richard Powell, of Ednor, author of the Pentarchia, a short History of the Royal Tribes of Wales and their descendants, written in 1623. Sir Nathaniel Powell, of Ewherst, and H. was son of Meredith Powell, and grandson of John Ap Howell of Ednop.
In 1623, living in Virginia on the eastern shore, Thomas Powell and wife Gody.
In 1626, patent granted to Capt. Nathaniel Powell and nine others, Land on the northerly side of the James river.
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James River Plantations
http://www.jamesriverplantations.org/
http://www.jamesriverplantations.com/
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A Day in the Life of the Powell Family
Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia
http://www.history.org/history/teaching/powells.cfm
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For additional information on Benjamin Powell or the Benjamin Powell House, go to the following links:
Benjamin Powell
Benjamin Powell House
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Benjamin was a descendant of the first Powell to come to Virginia….
KIM MCARTHUR
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KIM MCARTHUR
Chwe’n,
There are also Native Communities in Southampton County Va(Nottoway) and Winton NC (Nottoway), Buckhead Columbus County NC (Waccamaw). My people are from the two Nottoway Communities as well as Tuscarora (Bertie/Hertford).
Oo-neh
Mike
First of all I’d like to say that there is nothing wrong with being mixed with Black or White. It doesn’t make you any less of a person, or change the fact that you have Indian blood (although I don’t feel you can be Indian or Indian at heart if you have “NO” blood at all, but thats a different subject). I’m not a full-blood myself and I’m not here to bash anybody else for holding whatever blood-quantum or racial mix they may have.
But I do want to make it clear that I find the term “Tri-Racial Isolate” to be a most in-accurate and degrading term when applied to my people! I do not find it degrading in the since that there is something wrong with being mixed with blacks or whites. I find it offensive in that it infers that we are merely a bunch of mixed people with some Indian blood in there somewhere, rather than a distinct and seperate nation existing from historical times till present. This inference is false! In all actuality we are Indians, not descendants of Indians! THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE! Please don’t undermine our history with inferences such as this!
We lost a lot of our culture over the years due to factors that we had no control over, but I am thankfull that my ancestors made it a priority to preserve the bloodlines and keep our communities strong! Do not belittle and insult their struggles!
It’s no secret that ‘SOME” Lumbees have black blood here and there while others have “SOME” white blood. The key thing to note is that the Indian blood is the core of our communities! We are a distinct Indigenous nation. Although some members have intermarried with non-native people (more-so in recent years than in the past) here and there, that does not make us tri-racial! It just makes us a ‘TRIBE” that has “SOME” tri/bi-racial members!
I have members of my family that are mixed with white and some who are mixed with Black! But that mixture does not come (to any ‘SIGNIFICANT’ degree anyway) from ancestors listed on our “BASE ROLLS,” some of which are almost a hundred and twenty years old. That mixture comes from mixing with non-Lumbee neighbors, and for the most part only exists in the younger generations!
Every single person in my family that is listed as full-blood, according to our tribal enrollment records, looks just like the full-bloods from any reserve out there! They are “BROWN” Skinned and most have “NATURALLY STRAIT” dark-brown/black hair! Never have I ever been told that I am part Black, nor do any of my ancestors have any features that make me suspect that I may be! If for some reason I thought I was part Black I would claim it! But why would I claim something that “I AM NOT” There is nothing wrong with being mixed with black, I have cousins that are and I still consider them Indian! “BUT I AM NOT GOING TO CLAIM SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT!!!!!!!
You people need to educate yourselves, before you make inferences like this! I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with tri-racial people, I just don’t think it’s right to label people falsely!
Chwe’n,
If there are communities that are Tri-racial and they choose to identify as black,let them,if that is there choice,too many times people go into these communities and tell the people that they have some Native blood and that they should change from being black and become Indian. The majority are happy being black and want to stay black,to me those that are trying to influence them to change to Indian,because they might have some Native blood and they are also a part of that community,are really saying I don’t like being black. But Native Communities that have always identified as Native,lived as Native,are Native,and then are refered to as Tri-racial.That is wrong. It is degrading to a people that are proud of who they are. You are calling them mixed-bloods,half-breeds,mutts and all other deragatory names used.I go to Ceremonies (Longhouse) and if this gets out that certain people have been calling Tuscarora(Robeson County/Sampson County/Bertie County/Hertford County)people Tri-racial they will probably be banned from anymore Ceremonies. I hope this doesn’t happen,but it could. There are some that have heard already. Myself and Derick both attend these Ceremonies.
Oo-neh
Mike
Robco, Mike and Kid
I wrote that post a long time ago. You both make some good points. I would not write that same post today.
Thanks
Barry
Mike, Kid and Derek:
Things are not as simple as I stated in my post five years ago in April 2001. I have learned a lot since then. It is not my place to be defining the race of communities of people. Others have been doing this to us long enough. I fully support individuals and communities defining for themselves their race. This is the same respect that I am asking of others who look at our community. I apologize.
Barry
I think Barry’s apology is very sincere and thank him for making it and I respect the good intentions of all here.
We all learn and grow in understanding of ourselves and others over time, especially when we talk respectfully about matters that are difficult or even very personal, even though doing so is some times a little painful or scary, or stirs up anger or our feelings of needing to protect those we love and are responsible for taking care of….
So many life stories, so much to know, so much to understand….
The labels of the past and “historical scholarship” of the past have made communication even more difficult. It is so hard to remember to qualify and define every term every time, or find a new, unpolluted language for expressing what we are trying to say. I think Barry is saying that he would no longer use the term that he used five years ago today.
It’s a term we inherited from out-dated anthropology or eugenics, so I say good ridance, too!
Blessings to all,
Brenda
Originally posted by mdsmokedancer
Chwe’n,
But Native Communities that have always identified as Native,lived as Native,are Native,and then are refered to as Tri-racial.That is wrong.
My thoughts exactly!
I was born being Indian because that’s what my forefathers were before me and raised me to be, not because I thought it was cool or wanted to deny some other heritage that others say that I allegedly have!
My people, as we are today, were born out of the carnage and genocide that was taking place since the onslaught of colonization in North Carolina!
There are points in time that others have labeled us as being “other free persons” but never do you see any records of anyone self identifying as either black or White! They may have omitted to tell others who they were, when it was necessary for survival, but never did they ever claim something else!
In 1885 my people went to the state of North Carolina and asked for our own school systems, not for recognition as Indian because it was a given, something that we were unquestionably known to be! No one came in and told us we were Indian! We knew that’s what we were, and without hesitation the state granted us the right to run our own schools for our distinctly separate INDIGENOUS COMMUNITES!
Three years later we went to the FEDERAL GOVERMENT in Washington DC and asked for further assistance with our completely under funded educational system and were denied assistance “SOLELY” because we could already speak English and the funds were not available for , as was said, us or any other “CIVILIZED TRIBES.” The point to note is that in our first dealings with them (almost a hundred and twenty years ago) the Bureau of Indian affairs even addressed us as a tribe “without question,” because it was a given! WE HAVE ALLWAYS BEEN INDIANS, NEVER DID WE JUST WAKE UP ONE DAY AND DECIDE TO BE SO!
I’ve read over testimonials given by my ancestors on how they were laughed at and ridiculed for speaking their native language! We had to give up a lot in order to survive! But our people adapted and we ARE STILL HERE and STRONG! There are currently 56,000 on our rolls and another 6,000 on the Tuscarora rolls (we are the same people, we just identify by different names)!
There have been over nine FEDERALLY COMMISSIONED investigations and reports on my people. EVERY ONE OF THEME CONCLUDED THAT WE ARE INDIANS NOT DESCENDANTS OF INDIANS! There has been debate as to which linguistic stock and or what pre-colonial tribe(s) conglomerated to form us and had the strongest influence on us, but that is the “ONLY” question that there has ever been!
In 1914 one report clearly stated that “ONE WOULD READILY CLASS A LARGE MAGORITY OF THE TRIBE AS BEING AT LEAST 3/4th’s INDIAN! Another report stated that we had “MAINTAINED OUR RACE INTEGRITY, there was a SMALL admixture with the colonial races (i.e. whites) and an EVEN SMALLER admixture with other races (i.e. Blacks!). In the 1930’s there were even a few individuals here “FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED” as being 1/2 or more Indian blood and even received some services. In 1956 the US congress FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED the whole tribe in a bill that opened with the statement “Whereas many Indians (not descendants of indians) now living in Robeson and adjoining counties are descendants of that once large and prosperous tribe which occupied the lands along the Lumbee River at the time of the earliest white settlements in that section”
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INDIANS! Mentally, spiritually, and PHYSICALLY! So what if a “few” other people “may” have wondered into the gene pool “here and there” centuries ago! Those people were absorbed! The Lakota’s absorbed a lot of French blood before they were placed on reservations, but you don’t see any of them going around telling people that they are French because they had a great-ggggggg….. Grandparent who was! They don’t claim French because they’re not French, they are Lakota! I am Lumbee and I am not going to claim descent from anything other than what I am and have always been!
Just so you know, I’m not trying to send hostility your way! I appreciate your apology and I didn’t realize that you made that post five years ago.
I made that last post because I felt it was nessicary for everyone else who might read this thread to hear the information I provided! So please don’t take any of it personal, it wasn’t directed at you.
Robco, Mike, Kid and others:
The Indians in Roberson county and other places such as Holister are very lucky people. Your communities were large enough to withstand the genocide of the past 500 years intact as Indian people. There are many Indian communities and Indian people in VA and NC that simply were not large enough to withstand the tide. Many of these people or communities never forgot that they were Indian. Others, however, did forget. For the people who did forget, much of this happened in the last couple of generations, especially with the black power movement of the 1960’s and the exodus north for jobs leaving smaller communities depleted. I know of Indian people that worked really hard to get their straight hair, kinky so they could have an afro in the 1960’s, and “pass” for black. Many were successful. For many communities elders hung on for centuries only to lose it in the last few decades.
When one goes through a 500-year holocaust people take many different paths to survive. Larger communities will take a different path from smaller communities or individual families who are up against the tide alone. However, for the people who are truly Indian its makes them no less Indian regardless of which path was taken.
For the tens of thousands of Indian people in Va and NC who were not lucky enough to be part of a community of 5,000, 10,000 or 50,000 Indians, they were not only up against physical violence and death (physical genocide) and paper genocide (in Va especially), they were up against mental genocide, with horrible brainwashing efforts by Euro-Americans. Unlike the larger communities who had strong support systems, they were up against it alone. From 1492 forward the attempted brainwashing of Indian people started. Where I am from in Brunswick co va, our community is still on reservation land (fort Christanna) which was established in 1713, for Siouan people and where much of the brainwashing started, in a school they established to strip us of our culture.
I see people all of the time where I live, who are as Indian as the people in Roberson county, but who “pass” as Black. When I talk to them and look at their genealogy they have more Indian ancestry than any other race. When I talk to them I find that their ways and culture are Indian. The problem that I have with this is as follows:
1) There was an intentional effort by Euro-Americans at mental genocide, to brainwash Indians to forget their race and culture. If the Euro-Americans were successful then the land is free for the taking. The Euro-Americans have been highly successful, so far, with tens of thousands of Indian people in VA and NC, who were not lucky enough to live in a large Indian populated area such as Pembroke or Holister. Many of these people’s values and culture are still however Indian.
2) For every Indian person who forgets he or she is Indian more Indian political power is lost to Euro-Americans.
I have a problem letting this brainwashing stand and losing our land and political power because of it. You see, the issue of who owns Turtle Island is far from over in my eyes. North American is a brown continent that will always be brown and we will have it back. So awakening Indian people is important to me. Personally I am not seeking recognition from the government because democracy, our current government, social system and economy are temporary and does not matter.
Not only was the mental genocide done in the south, it was done in the north and the Caribbean. However, the most blatant case is Mexico (which is part of north america) separated only by an artificial apartheid border to keep Indians weak. 90% of the people in Mexico are American Indian and yet if you ask a Mexican if they are Indian most will say no. As long as Indian people, accept the brainwashing of Euro-America, Indians will not have significant political power. Our numbers are simply too small and we are forced to accept government recognition, hand outs and crumbs from the table. I am working on an article right now that I am planning to send to all of the major newspapers dealing with this.
So it is not a matter of convincing people that they are something that they aren’t. It is not a matter of people having one to two Indian ancestors 10 generations ago. My interest is re-awakening people who have accepted the Euro-brainwashing who are actually Indian. There are 100 million Indians in Mexico and tens of thousands in VA and NC. Think of how the balance of power shifts from Euro-American and its destructive culture, when Mexicans re-awaken to their true identity and culture. They will begin challenging their classification as illegal aliens in their own homelands. And this awakening is what it will take for the North American continent to once again be Indian. It will also require Indians to embrace one another; regardless of what path we took through the holocaust. It will also take us forgetting the crumbs from the dominant culture’s table and to begin thinking about re-taking not only the table and the whole kitchen but also the house. And I am not talk violence, I am talking peace because the meek shall inherent the earth. When we eventually do embrace our southern American Indian brothers, and erase the illegal border separating our land, our numbers swell to over 100,000,000 on the North American continent.
And for the record I have nothing against white people. “Many of my closest friends are white.” I have a problem with their destructive social systems, beliefs and values and the arrogance by which they believe that it is best and most civilized system in the history of humanity. I have a problem with the destructiveness of their believes, values and systems and the death, destruction, and brutal rape and murder that it has and it reeking on mother earth, the animals and people, while in denial of their actions.
Barry
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I respect what you are doing Barry and I encourage you to keep it up!
I get a little heated sometimes when it comes to my people! I apologize if i’ve insulted you or anyone else!
My intention was to deliver an accurate portrayal of my peoples history, not pass judgement on anyone else, exspecially people who suffered through the same transgressions we did!
What about them mexicans though? Statistically they say they will be the largest population in this country by the year 2050! Which I think is wondeful! We’re taking this country back slowly but surely!
Yes Robo, Mexicans are indeed indigenous. And everytime I see them in the Piedmont of VA and NC I feel slightly vindicated and find it even somewhat ironic that those that tried to rid the South East of Indians–have brought them back. It’s also somwhat funny that by changing their names from their tribal origins and nations–the colonials conveniently don’t see indians….
Indian people need to wake up.–I’ve heard some say some very unenlightened thing about Mexicans, Puerto Ricans–they happen to be indigenous. I don’t think I’d go that far with Haiwains (sp) but definitely the Mexicans and Carribean indians. It is awesome to be proud of our own families, tribes and nations. But we can not and should not let tribalism in it’s most negative form destroy us. Today as a people we continue to suffer from many divisions. I hope and pray all of our recent visitors to Saponitown will stay and continue a respectful discourse.
I haven’t ventured into this fray because I actually feel disagreements can be positive if we learn from the experience, also I think it has been a painful lesson for many but a reality in the attitudes that have been formed out of the 500 year history of the colonization of this continent. I’ll write more later.
But let’s continue…no one should leave…just be respectful across the board.
Saponi1
Thanks for the kind words. Everything is cool. It is good to see that there is some consensus on the Mexican thing. I know what many of the Euro-Americans will say. I’m just not sure what kind of reception I will get from the Indian community on this. Sometimes we can be very fragmented. I’ve been shot in the back before, by our own people as I led the charge to protect Indian land and another time to tell the truth of the holocaust. But I have to do what the ancestors call me to do. Thanks Barry
Barry,
You are so right about being lucky to be a part of the larger Indian communities such as Pembroke, Hollister etc. Even though there are probally thousands of Haliwa Saponi people who are still in Halifax and Warren counties, hence the Haliwa in the tribal name, we are still not recognized as such because we moved a few miles outside of ” the community”. My reason for moving back to Warren Co was to help those of us left out of the mix so to speak to rise up and claim the heritage that is rightfully ours. That is why what you are doing is important for all of us. Creator made us and it is His desire that we come together again and be as one.
Barry, just want you to know I am 100% behind you in bringing our people together as one. There is strength in numbers and the government knows that. This is the reason they want to keep the tribal rolls at a minimun.
Haliwagirl
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