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MarcSnelling;38206 wrote: I looked at it a bit deeper and I’m not 100% that Ludwig Louis Trax was Huguenot. I had read that Ludwig Louis Trax or his brothers were body guards of Napoleon Bonaparte in France (he had many). Have you seen this in your research?
The DeTrieux/DeTreaux line’s European roots may originate from the Belgian town of Trieu. At any rate all these ancestors Trax/Truax or otherwise come from Bas-Rhin (Lower Rhine), Alsace-Lorraine, or the Walloon region of Belgium. All the same general area.
No, I have not come across the Napoleon connection although I vaguely remember my Dad mentioning that. I think Louis Trax was a weaver before immigrating. Our family comes from the Alsace-Lorraine region as far as I know, but being “of Trieu” makes perfect sense.
I stumbled upon this article on James Irwin when researching Louis/Lewis Trax’s service in the Pittsburgh Legion of Volunteers. Did your Irwin live in western PA?
GGM_Robbins;38215 wrote: No, I have not come across the Napoleon connection although I vaguely remember my Dad mentioning that. I think Louis Trax was a weaver before immigrating. Our family comes from the Alsace-Lorraine region as far as I know, but being “of Trieu” makes perfect sense.
I stumbled upon this article on James Irwin when researching Louis/Lewis Trax’s service in the Pittsburgh Legion of Volunteers. Did your Irwin live in western PA?
Not as best as I can tell, but I cannot trace my line past Nancy Ann (Linthicam) Irwin (b.1 May 1802 Maryland), to know if she is connected to this James Irwin. My Irwin marries into the Harrell-Cotton line who were in Bardstown KY – mentioned in the Harrell thread. She was also in Nineveh Indiana – and died in Adair MO 27 Apr 1899.
The reason I had thought Ludwig Louis Trax was Huguenot was information about Napoleon – but I was mistaken in thinking it was Napoleon Bonaparte. Here is a link to a source about the Trax brothers being Napoleon’s bodyguards:
Even without specific info regarding Ludwig Louis Trax’s faith, it is not a stretch to assume he may have been a Huguenot. The Huguenots are connected to the Walloons – and Trieu the town is in the Walloon part of Belgium. This area has changed hands over the years belonging to Belgium/France/Germany at different points.
Judging by people’s stories here on SaponiTown it seems the European part of many mixed heritages includes ancestors from Alsace-Lorraine. Clearly there were multiple waves of immigration fleeing religious persecution in France, especially after the Edict of Nantes was repealed by Louis XIV in 1685 – essentially making Protestantism illegal.
Vivian Markley;38200 wrote: I was just looking at Lena Schooley’s tree as she is a Clovis match to us and descends from Eleazar Cottrell of Monmouth NJ. She is also a Traux…Phillip Traux 1676 Monmouth NJ/Sarah LaRue though daughter Charity Traux married Richard Pittman.
Here is her tree.. Let me know if you see connections
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/17109969/family?cfpid=463808094&selnode=1
Seeing another connection. Using GenomeMate and Clovis I identified a common match between our four family samples and five others; present-day names Haney and Coppock. The likely intersecting lines includes the following surnames; Pittman (but out of Halifax/Edgecombe NC instead of NJ), Good, Jones, and Whitehead
The Clovis matches have common surnames (Good, Jones)and locations to us, but not specific ancestors. Good brickwalls early in both family genealogies though – early 1800s TN or late 1700s NC. I suspect if the female lines were better documented the common ancestors would become apparent.
From what is documented it seems every ancestor surname that is known has a strong oral history in my family, or other SaponiTown members. Reading threads here about Whitehead it sounds similar to my Jones and Good lines. The Whitehead line was in VA 1710s then NC 1720s on Chowan and others counties.
The only known connection to Jones (I try to avoid this name but was surprised to see how many people I have who have married into various lines) that is proven Native American is one of my Blevins….Richard Blevins 1785 married Mary Polly Jones 1794 and are on the Old Settlers Roll through her Jones. She is the daughter of Thomas S Jones 1764 and Elizabeth Betty Wilkerson. Daughter of Edward Wilkerson 1725 and Molly Welch daughter of James Welch, trader and Quatsi. I have not taken the Jones back so I am not sure if there is anything more there or not. I think some of these have hidden very early colonial admix which is why they are always living with them.
Searching names like Jones and Smith generate too many results to be useful. I think this was the point for my ancestors. They changed their name to Smith between NC/VA and Indiana, seemingly to make them hard to find.
Still Jones seems to be a name that comes up in a large percentage of family lines with Blackfoot oral history. I just stick to specific Jones ancestors that have been identified and work sideways. All the pictures and names I have listed in the Jones/Smith of Indiana group are ones that are tied directly to the parents of Massa Jones – David Jones 1747-1814 of Halifax VA and Sarah Jones 1751-1790 of Surry VA (maiden name unknown).
Sarah Jones is a brick wall – don’t have a maiden name or any ancestors.
David Jones’ father is listed as John Jones 1725-1773 of Brunswick VA, whose mother is listed as Agnes 1705-? and is a brick-wall past that. His mother is listed Jane Douglass 1728-1828 of Halifax VA, her parents are listed as James Douglas and Jane Wilson immigrants to PA from Edinburgh and Lanark Scotland. I have seen the Douglass name in other people’s trees here.
I don’t see Thomas S Jones 1764 being connected to these Jones.
Vivian Markley;38200 wrote: I was just looking at Lena Schooley’s tree as she is a Clovis match to us and descends from Eleazar Cottrell of Monmouth NJ. She is also a Traux…Phillip Traux 1676 Monmouth NJ/Sarah LaRue though daughter Charity Traux married Richard Pittman.
Here is her tree.. Let me know if you see connections
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/17109969/family?cfpid=463808094&selnode=1
Interesting name variation of DuTrieux in Lena’s tree. Will need to add to my searches for Trax ancestors.
MarcSnelling;37209 wrote: This is Samuel Knode’s granddaughter Carrie Blood, wife of Archibald E Blood. Born in Valparaiso, Porter Co, Indiana 1861. Samuel Knode’s gravestone is also in Valparaiso 1809-1883. His line appears to have come through Ohio from Virginia.
Marc,
There is an Alphonse Joseph DuTrieux in the 1940 census for South Bend, St Joseph, IN. I know you have Indiana roots and thought there may be a connection.
GGM_Robbins;38300 wrote: Marc,
There is an Alphonse Joseph DuTrieux in the 1940 census for South Bend, St Joseph, IN. I know you have Indiana roots and thought there may be a connection.
I looked at the genealogy for Alphonse DuTrieux. He was born 1889 in France and died 1967 in South Bend. His mother and father were from Belgium, probably Walloons. He looks like another more recent 1900s DuTrieux immigrant from the same area like yours in 1800s and mine in 1600s.
All my direct ancestors are from southeast Indiana starting 1799. None from north Indiana, Valparaiso, like Carrie Blood, or South Bend. However, I suspect northern IN cousins… like Sue Janz of Elkhart who, judging by her posts, is a cousin to me.
MarcSnelling;38206 wrote: The DeTrieux/DeTreaux line’s European roots may originate from the Belgian town of Trieu. At any rate all these ancestors Trax/Truax or otherwise come from Bas-Rhin (Lower Rhine), Alsace-Lorraine, or the Walloon region of Belgium. All the same general area.
I’ve been rethinking the Walloon connection here. Trieu, Belgium is right on the border of North Belgium and Southern Belgium. Southern Belgium is Walloon – French speaking. Northern Belgium is Flemish (Dutch).
My grandfather sung a song that his Grandmother Marshall sang to him. Something like “Plus plosen teeton payter holli kee you pull yore. Plus plosen teeton payetr hay mull toe.” Which I believe is Flemish for “They’re happy in their kingdom I really do believe. They’re happy in ther kingdrom, don’t you believe?”
So it seems to me our DeTrieux/Trax/Truax line was more likely Flemish than Walloon.
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