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Hi again!
Need some help here…I have found a will for a John Lucas dated 26 Dec. 1782 and probated 6 Oct. 1783 in Charlotte co Va…naming in his will the children…Christopher white, Elias white, Mary White and Betty White…witnessed by Memucan Allen, Younger Newton and Thomas Hord (Howard)…..Memucan Allen married a mary White but I have never found any info on her…He was born in 1753 and she about 1758…have never found any parents for her…but Younger Newton married elizabeth Cargill allen.
Memucan Walker (in the previous Walker post) married first Nancy Cargill and second Rachael Lewis.
This is the first info I have ever found on Mary White but I have no idea what the Lucas connection would be…
Sue J
I wasn’t able to separate the 4,000+ John Lucas’s.
You may already have ran into this but a modified effort during that Lucas search turned up a MEMUCAN Hunt ALLEN, b.Unkn., who was the son of Joseph Allen, b.12 Apr. 1711 New Kent Co., Va., d. 1772 CHARLOTTE Co., Va and Sarah HUNT.
Joseph Allen, b.1711, son of Robert Allen (no dates, locations) and Elizabeth WALKER, b.1679 New Kent; dau of William Walker, b.1640 St Peter’s Parish, New Kent Co. (created 1654 from York Co), Va; d. 1723; and Elizabeth WARREN, d. bef. 3 June 1728 Henrico Co., Va.
WFT Vol. 68, Tree 313, seems to be the original researcher’s work with 3 trees copied from that but which add no additional detail.
Another son of Robert Allen is listed as a Robert, b.1704 New Kent Va, d. 1784 Caswell Co., VA marr’d Elizabeth YOUNG and their son Josiah, b.abt. 1734, d. _?_ 96th District, SC.
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Also, a researcher (whose name & address in NC I have but don’t know how recent it is) has information on a Memucan Allen who resided in 1778 Charlotte Co., VA.
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There was also a Memucan Allen in 1810 (over 45 yrs old) & 1820 Franklin Co., KY just over the Ohio “Ocean” from us – may have been two of them since there is an 1820 marriage in Franklin Co., Ky to an Elizabeth CARR.
Bill
Bill,
Thanks for responding and all the effort you go to.
Memucan Allen was in charlotte and moved to Caswell with his brother charles briefly and on to Ky..died in Lawrenceburg Ky in 1833. (Anderson Co)..I made a trip there just to research him years ago, but I have found more on the internet. I had his will from the courthouse but now it is on the web anyway. I don’t know about the Elizabeth Carr connection..But one of Memucan’s nephews or relatives may have been named for him also..All the people that I have found with this name have been related to each other in some way so far at least.
As to his wife Mary White, there are too many persons as in John Lucas..Oh Well. some things we may never know.
Thanks, sue J
Anderson Co., Ky was created in 1827….. from Franklin, Mercer & Washington counties, and Lawrenceburg was in Franklin Co prior to 1827.
Franklin Co., Ky Marriage Records;
“Nov 10, 1810. Andrew Anderson and Sarah ALLEN, daughter of Charles Allen. Memucan Allen, bondsman.”
1830 Anderson Co., Ky, pg.92:
Memucan Allen = 0000100001 – 000000001 + 4 slaves.
…….1 male 20-29, 1 male 70-79 (b.1750s), 1 female 60-69.
Joseph Allen = 000001 – 22001 – 0 – 0.
…….1 male 30-39. Females: 2 under 10, 2 of 5-9, 1 of 20-29.
Memucan Allen Junr = 00101001 – 0000010001 + 6 slaves.
…….males: 1 of 10-14, 1 of 20-29, 1 of 50-59.
…….females: 1 of 30-39, 1 of 70-79.
John B. White = 1010001 – 212001 + 6 slaves.
…….males: 1 under 5, 1 of 10-14, 1 of 40-49.
…….females: 2 under 5, 1 of 5-9, 2 of 10-14, 1 of 30-39.
pg.93:
David White = 1100001 – 21001 + 3 slaves.
……males: 1 under 5, 1 of 5-9, 1 of 40-49.
……females: 2 under 5, 1 of 5-9, 1 of 20-29.
pg.95:
Presley White = 0120001 – 101011 + 1 slave.
……males: 1 of 5-9, 2 of 10-14, 1 of 40-49
……females: 1 under 5, 1 of 10-14, 1 of 20-29, 1 of 30-39.
Thomas White = 10001 – 000001 + 1 slave.
……males: 1 under 5, 1 of 20-29.
……female: 1 of 30-39.
pg.102:
Malcolm Allen = 1200001 – 211001 + 2 slaves.
……..males: 1 under 5, 2 of 5-9, 1 of 40-49.
……..females: 1 of 30-39.
“Following is a list of deaths resulting from Cholera in Lawrenceburg and Anderson county during June and July, 1833. The first case appeared Wednesday, June 19: the epidemic proved fatal to 69 citizens.”
(on that list is…)
“James G. White’s child”.
“Presley White’s son.”
Continued…….
1820 Franklin Co., Ky Fed Census; pg. 158:
Memucan Allen = 000211 – 11011 – 0 – 0. *******
Anderson Allen = 000010 – 10110 – 0 – 0.
Chas. Allen = 000011 – 00001 – 0 – 0.
1810 Franklin Co Ky census (details avail. if needed)
Memucan Allen Sr, pg. 107 *******
Anderson Allen, pg. 109
Charles Allen, pg. 109.
Same census,
Phillip White, pg. 174.
Ambrose White, pg. 176 (son of Stephen, b.1718)
Andrew White, pg. 178.
William White, pg. 178 (son of Stephen, b.1718)
Thomas White, pg. 179.
Fortunately, someone’s done a lot of work on these guys and they are traceable – still working at all their “Mary”s, but this looks like your White line.
“1800” Franklin Co., Ky Tax List:
dated August 7, 1801 –
Ambrose White
Robert White
William White
William Allin
William Allin
dated August 10, 1801 –
Memucan Allin Sr. *******
Memucan Allin Jr.
Anderson Allin
Charles Allin
Phillip White
William White
Ambrose White, b.abt. 1753 Bedford Co., Va, d. 4 May 1839 Franklin Co., Ky; m’d 1st) Elizabeth _?_, d. 1822, had dau’s Mary, Charlotte & Elizabeth; Ambrose m’d 2nd) Cynthia GREEN in 1822 Franklin Co., Ky. (Dan Akin and I have GREENs in this area.)
Ambrose White’s parents:
Stephen, b.1718 Caroline ? Co., Va; also lived Bedford Co., Va.;
d. 1820 Adair Co., Ky, bur’d White Cem., Gedberry, Adair Co., Ky;
m’d Agatha Bramblett, dau of William Bramblett and Elizabeth Callaway.
Stephen White’s parents:
Thomas White, b.?, d.1752 Caroline Co., Va; and Susannah _?_.
There are some Land Deed Entries which put Ambrose White, Phillip White, “M.” Allen, & William White owning land in this area (Later Franklin Co) in the 1780s but I don’t think they moved to Ky until the late 1790s. A Joseph Allen also entered 500 acres on Otter Crk on Oct 2, 1781 in the then much larger Lincoln Co., Ky which also qualifys as another coincidence – that one researcher claiming Memucan Allen’s father was Joseph Allen.
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Some of these White’s passed thru Halifax Co., Va., and coincidentally, or not, I found in “Marriage Bonds and Ministers’ Returns of Halifax County, Virginia, 1753 – 1800” by Knorr, marriages there for 2 of the White boys mentioned in John Lucas’s Will :
“1 February 1789. Christopher White and Martha Church. Sur. Thomas LIGON. Martha signs her own consent. Married 24 February by Rev. Henry Lester. p.17.”
(additional coincidence – The 1st wife of the 1810 William White (who was Ambrose White’s brother) in Franklin Co was also a CHURCH.)
and
“1 March 1790. Elias White and Nancy Flyn. Sur. Christopher White. Nancy signs her own consent. p.19”
DEAR Bill!!!
I am flabbergasted…..!!! I have searched this line forever and have gotten so confused…I figured I would never find this much…I need to read through what your last post said probably several times before it all sinks in…Didn’t you also say you had Marshalls in same area of Southern Indiana as mine too?
Thank you ever sooooo much.
Sue J
The biggest problem with finding Memucan Allen is that he’s usually “indexed” as “Merriman”, but when you look at the actual record, it’s “Memucan”.
Yes, descendants of “Col.” William Marshall of mid-1700s Pa. Some of them came to Ind via Ohio and mine came to Ind via Ky.
I also have a LIGON marr’d into my BLANKINSHIPs, both from Va/NC.
I had more speciific data in my original reply but we took a power spike and it “dumped”. I’ll figure out how much I left out of this post and get it in.
Sue,
Some additional info……
Mary White Allen:
In 1830 Anderson Co Ky living next door to Memucan Allen, was Joseph Allen, 30 to 39.
1850 Anderson Co Ky census pg.210A, 16 Sept; at 293, 293:
Joseph ALLEN, 59, m, -, farmer, $800, NC
Lucy M., 49, f, – , Ky
Mildred, 19, f, Ky
Ruth A., 17, f, Ky
Charles, 14, m, Ky
William, 12, m, Ky
Pestelose, 7, f, Ky
MARY, 94, f, – , $1000, Va.*******
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Franklin Co Ky Marr. Records:
Joseph Allen marr’d Lucy HANKS on 31 May, 1821.
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In 1860 census, Ruth A. is “Alvina” and Pestelose is “Pestiliza” and neither Lucy nor Mary are in the household.
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next door to Joseph Allen in 1850, at 294, 294:
Thomas WHITE, 44, m, – , farmer, $0, Va.
Jane, 47, f, -, Ky
Waller O., 20, m, Ky
Ellis E., 17, f, Ky
Rachael, 13, f, Ky
Thomas S., 10, m, Ky
There are only 2 other Allen households here in 1850:
pg.195A, 6 August, at 91, 91:
Mary ALLEN, 51, f, – , $800, Ky
Bowan, 31, m, Ky (could be “Rowan”)
Robert H., 27, m, Ky
Mary P., 25, f, Ky
James M., 22, m, Ky
Margaret J., 20, f, Ky
David M., 15, m, Ky
Sarah, 28, f, KY.
pg.224A, 25 August, at 493, 493:
Miami ALLEN, 55, f, – , $60, Va.
Susan, 20, f, Ky.
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This is likely to be another dau of Memucan Allen:
Franklin Co Ky Marr. Records:
24 Oct 1807. Lewis L. STOTT and Susanna ALLEN.
Attest: Dan Weisiger.
Bondsman: Stephen STOTT
Permission of M. ALLEN.
(Weisiger “attest” ‘ed to many marriages in this time period so he is probably a county clerk.)
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From “Old Kentucky Entries and Deeds”, 1926, Willard Jillson:
Court of Appeals Deeds – Grantors:
White, Ambrose & wife. Resides: Franklin. 2-27-1810. Lot. Liberty. Book N, pg 133.
White, Phillip & wife. Resides: Franklin. 10-10-1797. 477 acres on Chickahomeny Swamp. Book N, pg 103.
White, William. Resides: Hanover. 10-10-1797. 477 acres on Chickahomeny Swamp. Book N, pg 103.
Fayette Co. Entries:
M. Allen. 80 acres, N. Fork of Elkhorn (river), 2-6-1786. Book 4, pg 269.
Lincoln Co. Entries:
Jos. Allen. 500 acres on Otter Creek, 10-2-1781. Book 1, pg 161.
Richard Allen. 500 acres on Otter Crk, 6-30-1780. Bk 1, pg 80.
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Bill,
Amazing!
Thanks again and again.
Memucan Allen did have a son Joseph who married Lucy Hanks and another daughter Elizabeth who married Chichester Hanks..Lucy and Chichester brother and sister also…Parents I have found are Turner and Millicent Hanks.
The Lewis L. Stott is Lewis Lunsford Stott..married to Susannah Allen daughter of Memucan also.
I have never had children of Joseph..and what about the name Pestalos or Pestiliza? And Miami Allen?
I never had any info on any of the White family..but it does look like the right line..As to mary’s father?..still hard to tell isn’t it?..
I really appreciate all of this you have spent time looking for. I just read the message from Dreaminghawk on hard to find names that appear over and over…makes it very difficult to find the related people..
thanks again…
🙂 sue J
Yes, and no. Make sure you are sitting down and have your seat belt fastened securely for my next post on the Hunts and Allins…. I have found the source that all those Memucan Hunt and Joseph Allin/Allen & Thomas White “trees” info is based upon.
I’m still reading thru it.
Bill,
I could not get to this site yesterday…just back to now…and just read your last post and OH BOY!!! I can’t wait!!! Fasten my seatbelt??!!! This is tooooo exciting…I would like to be able to help everyone find more on their families and connections…it is like a soul food, indescribable.
I will be checking and waiting….sue J:D 😀 😀
Source: “Historical Southern Families”, Vol III, “ALLIN of New Kent & North Carolina”, pg.15 & 16.
“Joseph Allin, son of Robert and Sarah Allin, was born in St. Peter’s Parish, New Kent County, 12 April 1711, twin brother to Benjiman Allin. By January 1733/34, he was old enough to be witnessing a deed to his father Robert Allin in Hanover County.
In July 1757 he and Ralph HUNT were sued jointly for a debt, and Richard Allin (his brother) was security for them. (Henrico, 1755-62, pg. 178).
“On March 3, 1755, Robert Allin of the County of Henrico, sold 200 acres of land to “Joseph Allin his son of the aforesaid County”, which land was bounded by the line of Richard Allin. (Henrico 1750-67, pg. 407-8.). On March 6, 1767, “Joseph Allin of the County of Chalot” sold to John Mosby of Henrico County “the message or tenement whereon the said Joseph Allin formerly lived containing 200 acres”, bounded by lands of Richard Allin, etc. (Henrico B, 1767-74, pg.120). Joseph Allin died in Charlotte County, Virginia, in 1771; his will was dated Oct 8, 1770; will probated July 1, 1771 (Charlotte W.B. 1765-91, pg. 72).
Joseph Allin married Sarah….. , presumably HUNT, since he named a son Memucan Hunt Allin. “
[Bill’s note: Not so fast… Joseph Allin’s Grt-grandfather William (d.1751) marr’d 2nd, Mary HUNT, but Sarah is regarded as Ralph Hunt’s dau… which may also be true… but some latitude has to be given Joseph’s line having another HUNT in it when considering why Memucan’s middle name was HUNT.]
“He (Joseph) was closely associated with Ralph HUNT (see suit referred to above). Ralph Hunt was born in 1693 and died Jan 8, 1780. Dinah Anderson, his wife, was born in 1699 and died in 1769. Ralph Hunt’s third son was Memucan Hunt, born August 23, 1729, and died in 1808. Memucan Hunt, who moved to North Carolina and served as Treasurer of North Carolina from 1777 to 1789, married Mary WADE (1736-1825), a cousin to the first General Wade Hampton of South Carolina.
(The Hunt and Wade information was taken from “A Record of the Howard and Hunt Families” compiled by B.A.Howard, from material furnished principally by Memucan H. Howard of New York City. Mayfied, Ky, 1884).”
[Bill’s note: from Marriage Bonds & Ministers’ Returns of Halifax County Virginia, 1753-1800 by Knorr:
9 March 1754. Memican Hunt and Mary WADE. Sur. Robert Hunt.]
(continued next post……)
continued…. same source ……
“Children of Joseph and Sarah (Hunt?) Allin:
i. Mmeucan Hunt, b.1753, d.1833, m. Mary White (See later)
ii. Benjamin
iii. Robert
iv. Charles
v. Anne
vi. Jean
vii. Susannah
“Memucan Hunt Allin (1753 – 1833) and his brother Charles moved from Charlotte Co, Va, to Caswell Co, North Carolina (now Person County, N.C.). Prior to this, Memucan served as executor of the will of Daniel Cargill in Charlotte Co, and advertised the estate in the Virginia Gazette (Oct 30, 1778, p.3, col.3). After residing for some time in North Carolina, Charles Allin went to what is now Anderson Co., Kentucky, in the 1790’s. There is a Power of Attorney recorded in Person County, N.C., from Memucan Allin of Person County to Charles Allin of Kentucky “in a claim to a tract of land lying in Kentucky in the fork between the Blue Licks fork of the South Fork of Licking” (June 5, 1797). Memucan Allin settled on Hammonds Creek in Anderson County prior to 1800, and built there a Mill and a distillery, and “a two-story log house, a very excellent one of that day.”
“Memucan Allin’s will, recorded in Anderson County, Ky was dated Sept 28, 1832, and probated in August Term of Court, 1833. (Will Bk A, p.17, abstracted in McAdams’, Kentucky Pioneer and Court Records), names the following children:
i. Joseph Allin, b. 1792, a soldier in War of 1812, and a prisoner of that war, was wounded at the Battle of New Orleans.
ii. Charles Allin.
iii. Susannah Stotts.
iv. Elizabeth Hank.
v. Polly Stotts.
vi. Sally Dale, deceased. (had son Washington Dale).”
[Bill’s note:
Memucan Allen Jr was still alive in 1860 and living in Edmonson Co., Ky, so there is a question of why he isn’t included in his father’s will.]
Bill,
I have read the first post….there seems to me to be confusion over who Robert married…there is another source “Allens of the Southern States” by Norma Miller pub. 1989 that shows the wife of Robert Allen as Elizabeth Walker…I have seen two wives for him before..Elizabeth as mother of first born three children..twins included and Sarah as wife II..don’t know if this is right..there is another site…I have it bookmarked, which points this out as well. I have tried to dig deeply into the Allen family..and Hunt somewhat and never got anywhere on the White family…I’m digesting your first post! Thank you sooooo much..
Sue J
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