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Bill!
Thanks again!!!
Could Memucan Jr be a son of Charles? just to distinguish Sr from Jr?
I posted two posts in between your two…I didn’t think he, Sr. had a son named after him…Same as Memucan Hunt…he named no son after him but one of his sons named a son Memucan..thus the Memucan Hunt who is the grandson of Memucan Hunt..
can you ever know if any of this family were mixed-bloods or does it go back to the being in that area before 1720..
And the White family? You said something about Thomas?
Now my brain is truly obsessed with all of this…
😀 Sue J
continued…….
Re: The line in that source, listing Mary White as Memucan Hunt Allin’s wife as “(See later)”…… I haven’t found any additional reference to Mary White in this volume but there are 3 volumes and it may be in one of the other ones… I’m checking.
Notes on Robert Allin/Allen, from same source as above….
Richard Allin, d. 17 June (or 6 Sept, so these are probably dates that his will was written and then probated?) 1725 St. Peter’s Parish, New Kent Co., Va, is probable father of Robert Allin, b. 1675 St. Paul’s Parish, lived St.Peter’s Par., d. 1756 Henrico Co., Va.
(a William Allin, d.1751, whose wife was Mary HUNT, dau of William (d.1701) and Mary Hunt, may be Richard’s parents….. it needs some support, tho.)
Richard, d.1725, (wife Elizabeth) also had a son Richard, who lived in New Kent & who’s children have been confused by some researchers, with the children of Robert Allin, his brother.
Robert Allin (b.1675 St. Paul’s Parish) moved to Henrico Co by Oct 5, 1754.
Robert Allin d. intestate before Oct 4, 1756, when Sarah Allin, his widow, was granted administration upon his estate. An account of the estate was returned May 1758.
Children of Robert & Sarah Allin, from the St. Peter’s Parish Register were:
i. Joseph Allin, b. 12 Apr 1711. twin.
ii. Benjamin, b. 12 Apr 1711. twin.
iii. Drury, b. 6 Apr 1714.
iv. Judah, b.3 Aug 1724.
v. Anne, b. 16 Apr 1726.
vi. Jacoby, b. 16 Jul 1728.
vii. Margaret.
vii. William.
viii. Richard.
Drury, b.1714, d.1803 Granville Co., NC. He had a wife (2nd?) Sarah, when he sold land Dec 6, 1773, adjacent to John Mosby, Daniel Allin, Samuel Duval, Aaron LUCAS & Joseph Merritt.
(Joseph Allin sold land adj. to Joseph Merritt & Richard Allin on March 6, 1769 which had been deeded to him in 1755 from Robert Allin.)
“William Allin is not in the Register. He is mentioned as a brother of Drury. He was probably born between 1714 and 1724.”
[the problem with this: he is also recorded as b.1709 Hanover Co, d. 1786 Granville Co., NC;……
Valentine Allin, b.1730 Goochland; d. 1798 Rockingham NC, a descendant of the earlier Allins, also named a son William Hunt Allin.
Additional info for you to be able to separate him from the other William Allen/Allins……
Robert’s son William…..
m’d 1) Ann Owen (5 dau’s m’d Morgan, Burton, Allen, Walker, Johnson men).
and m’d 2) in either 1741 (or 1750) Francis Grant, b.14 Oct 1716 New Kent (4 dau’s m’d Howard, Owen, Howard & Berry’s. A son of the Owen marriage, Thomas Owen, m’d Isabell Allin 26 Feb 1765 Granville NC, went to Mercer Co., Ky abt. 1800 and to Breckinridge Co Ky in 1802 where Thomas d. 31 Dec 1825.
“Richard Allin is not shown in Register but was deeded land by his father Robert.”
The various legal suits they brought (and that were brought against them), wills, deeds, etc., referred to in the originally listed source, are found abstraced in “The Edward Pleasants Valentine Papers”. There are about 40 pages on the Allens (Allins) of New Kent and later Henrico Co’s. It is evident that there were two lines of Allins who were earlier related (see below) and a line of Timothy Allen who was not related since his will leaves property in County Antrim, Ireland, to his siblings and thier children still living in Ireland, and this Allen line doesn’t appear to cross the other Allens. Email me your snail-mail address and I’ll mail them to you if you want that sepcific reference material.
There are far too many to scan to you or even summarize here.
From the Valentine Papers:
“Allen Family, Henrico County Records”
“Will of Elizabeth -(X)- WALKER, of Henrico County. Dated 16 Janry. 1726/7; Probated, 3 June 1728: Witnesses Henry Stokes, John Watsen, Mary Watson.”
Lists:
dau Elizabeth Allen.
dau Sarah Allen.
dau Honah Ragland.
dau Tabitha Morres.
dau Cuillia Stokes.
son Henry Walker
son Joel Walker, exec.
This Elizabeth Walker is likely the Elizabeth WARREN, who m’d William Walker, b.abt.1640 St. Peter’s Parish; d. Aug 1723 Henrico Co., Va. Elizabeth Walker having also d. 3 June 1728, Henrico Co., Va. Apparent relatives of this Walker, Allen, Ware line in New Kent & Henrico, had several slaves listed as “Indian” in their wills as late as the 1730s.
and yes, I’ve seen the Sarah Winston and Elizabeth Walker info and some confusion about whether Robert was also married to an Elizabeth “(HOLT?)”…. but what documentation is cited? Is it like “Sarah (presumably, HUNT?)” ? I don’t know what they are citing as sources.
(The Sarah “Hunt” has more validity than the “Winston”. read on)
I’m still looking for actual supporting docs that mention any wife besides Sarah. Maybe those docs are in St. Paul’s Parish.
Then we have the St. Peter’s Parish records of Robert’s children’s births, which when compared to other records, such as…..
There was a Sarah (no evidence of maiden name) Winston in St.Peter’s Parish, New Kent, widow of the William Winston who died 1701. Sarah Winston “was included in the processioning lists until 1719. It is assumed that she must have died about that time.” (“Tidewater Virginia Families” by Davis). And this may be the basis for the “Winston” claim.
What if she just “disappeared” from the records by marrying Robert Allen?
This Sarah (and William) Winston had a “son Anthony who was an adult before 1701 when he became involved in land trasactions concerning his father’s land.” (same source). If this Sarah Winston then married Robert Allin later, I don’t think she would have been young enough to have the last born children of Robert Allin and we know from actual doc’s that Robert’s wife Sarah was still alive in 1758, hence, Robert’s wife Sarah was not Sarah Winston. The Sarah “Winston” as Robert’s wife, is likely the result of “flailing around for an ancestor”.
Could William & Sarah Winston have had a dau named Sarah who marr’d Robert Allin/Allen?? Certainly, but there’s no proof of that either.
What do ya think?
Bill,
What do I think? I think I am now confused as to who Robert Allen’s wife was..and there was more than one William Hunt Allen and I thought Robert had a son William Hunt allen and a son Drury who bought land together in Granville co Nc. I do feel that Memucan Allen, son of Joseph who married Sarah Hunt could easily have been named after Memucan Hunt who was Sarah Hunt’s brother…all of these Williams are confusing though.
I thought Wm. Hunt Allen who married Mary ann owen and then Frances Grant was the Wm born 1709, son of Robert. At any rate, I descend from Joseph the twin to Benjamin..Maybe I should just say I don’t know for sure who Robert married and I don’t know for sure who Robert’s father was and leave it at that. And just stick to the direct descendants of Joseph. I don’t even know for sure that these people born in the New Kent co area of Va and in the parish records are of mixed ancestry or not. I need to go back and look at some of the info I have and various sites I have saved, etc. and see what documentation is shown. But you are the expert, not me.
Thanks again (the sun just came out for about two minutes, rare these days! 😎 Sue J
I think it’s most likely that Robert Allin/Allen’s wife was Sarah Hunt due to the close association between these two families; and that Robert’s parents were Richard Allin/Allen Sr and Elizabeth Walker, d/o Wm (1640-1723) and Elizabeth Warren d. 1728).
Richard Allin Sr’s parents may have been William Allin and Mary Hunt, but I’ve yet to be able to even get a warm/fuzzy feeling about that.
Expert? I don’t think anyone is when it comes to genealogy back in this time period, where most records have been destroyed and those that have survived can be misleading.
I have 2 William Allin/Allen’s who died in Granville Co NC:
1) d……………
Ah, just discovered my own notes prove I’m wrong! 🙂
Thought I had 2 of ’em.
I had notes on a William, d. 1782 and another d.1786. Both of these are the same person.
William H. (Hunt?) Allen, wrote his will 4 May 1781, d. 1782, but his will wasn’t proven until Aug 1786, all in Granville.
Now, if William H. Allen is the son of Robert, why isn’t he listed in the St.Peter’s Par. Register? Okay, he may have been born in St. Paul’s Par.? He’s the son of Robert’s brother Richard as some researchers claim? Don’t know.
Are they mixed? Don’t know and this is pretty difficult to pen down in any case. With families who were in Virginia by the 1680s, I think the onus of proof rests with proving that they aren’t mixed.
I’m still looking for Whites.
Some of the oldest Allen burials in Person Co NC are:
Location: 661 Flat River Church Rd (at intersection with Bessie Daniels Rd)
1. Mary W / wife of / Wm L ALLEN / Born / ? (broken stone) / Died / Oct 20, 1870 /
2. Mary Luna / dau of / Wm L & M W ALLEN / Born / Dec 19, 1875 / Died / May 29, 1876 /
3. R A ALLEN / Feb 15, 1845 / Oct 6, 1930 /
4. Mother / Nannie Ragland / wife of / R A ALLEN / May 14, 1865 / Sept 8, 1938 /
there are 5 fieldstone burials
this land is still owned by an ALLEN…….. and……… his wife is a descendent of ABRAHAM MOORE 😉
There are several other Allen burial locations that haven’t been surveyed yet……. will post old ones on this thread whenever we locate them.
Allen family in Person Co NC
An abundance of info is in the 3 volume Person Co Heritage books about the Allens who stayed in NC and fleeting mentions of those who moved on to points west. I’ll give some selective tidbits to connect to Bill’s research. Be aware that the “info” in heritage books may not be verified unless noted.
David Allen of Halifax Co, Va. He was Lt Col in Rev. War. married Alphia Lewis, dau of Juno Lewis in Halifax Va on Apr29, 1783.
He bought land in Person co in 1784. Bushy Fork community…… Let’s follow one of his lines down…. David has a son, William, who has a son, Reuben.
Reuben married, in 1821, Barbara HAWKINS 😉 They have a son, Bartlett Yancey, who married Emily Whit(e)field……. dau of Thomas and Sarah (PIERCE) Whitfield…. granddaughter of James Towler and Sarah (MINCHEW) WHITEFIELD……. mine and Becky’s line 😉
David’s not the first Allen in Person co, however, maybe Bill can tell us if he is brother or nephew to these two.
June 19, 1758, Drury Allen, “Late of Lunenburg Co, Va ” purchased of William Gower, land “On both sides of Grassy Ck” in Granville Co NC. On the same day, William Allen of Hanover co Va purchased land on Grassy Ck from the same man.
William Allen’s will proved in 1786 in Granville co names his wife Frances.
Drury Allen was born New Kent Co Va in 1713, son of Robert Allen. (Vol 2, family 3)
Dreaminghawk,
Thank you so very much for adding to these postings. I don’t begin to have all of this Allen family sorted out..I’m going to do some checking on David.
William Hunt allen was born in Hanover. Robert Allen owned land in Hanover co as well as New Kent co. These families were large so there are many descendants. I appreciate any info and will happily supply anyone else with anything that I can.
Sue J
Dreaminghawk,
From a site on rootsweb…the Bruey Whitfield Quilt by Shirley Whitfield, she has this:
David Young Allen married Catherine “Caty” Lanier
Their son William Lanier Allen B Caswell co 29 Apr. 1788 married Aisle Yarborough B 1789 NC
Their son Reuben Allen marr Barbara Hawkins B 1797..
Their son Bartlett Yancey Allen B 18 June 1836 Person co Nc Marr.
Emily Whitfield on Oct. 30 1856
Their son Reuben Malcolm “Mack” Allen born 26 May 1867 in bushy Fork Person Co NC..He married Mary Victoria Whitfield born Oct 201868 in Bushy Fork..
AND DAVID YOUNG ALLEN was the son of Drury Allen and Elizabeth Tinsley. Drury born 1714 Apr 6 St peters parish, New Kent Co. Va.
Info I found on Drury gave the Cumberland Parish records as source for various info, including Drury and his brother William Allen buying land to “divide tetwixt” them..it said tetwixt, Really it did!
🙂 Sue J
How does the Alphia Lewis daug of Juno come into here and who is right? I’m afraid of misinformation on people from the web but I can’t go to NC, not now.
Bill?
Dreaminghawk,
That last spelling was off…it is Ailse Yarborough. David Allen and wife Catherine lanier are supposed to be buried in the David Allen cemetery on right side of Hicks-yarboro rd. 3 miles off Old Allensville Rd, Rd #1544, in Person Co NC..with an unnamed infant? I wonder if if we followed other lines down from Drury who all would turn up…..Sue J
DAVID ALLEN CEMETERY, Person County, North Carolina
Recorded 1997
W Ernest Blalock, 2618 John Oakley Rd, Prospect Hill, NC 27314 – 9405
Made available to The USGenWeb Archives by Stephen J Paul — spaul@dialnet.net
Located on right side of Hicks-Yarboro Rd, .3 mile off Old Allensville Rd
in Person Co.
ALLEN, Catherine (?), Jul 31 1752 – Sep 12 1832, 80 yrs 1 mo 12 days, w/o David Allen
ALLEN, David, Jun 16 1746 – Sep 16 1828, 82 yrs 3 mo, h/o Catherine
ALLEN, Infant no name or dates
Cemetery is protected by heavy steel railings, graves are enclosed in
concrete.
GPS: 36 22 56.4N 078 56 04.8W (by Ken and Becky Oct 2004)
Sue says>>>>> Their son William Lanier Allen B Caswell co 29 Apr. 1788 married Aisle Yarborough B 1789 NC
Heritage book has her name as Alice Yarborough…. marriage bond Jan 30, 1806 Person co
How does Apphia Lewis come in? I don’t have a clue. Family #3 gives David’s wife as Catherine Lanier….on the same page, Family #4 has the same David married to Apphia Lewis in Va….. with same descendents and no mention of Catherine……. just shows danger of undocumented family history, I guess? 2 different greatgrandchildren researchers finding different info and making it fit……
There was more than one David Allen in the area.
I found NO Alphia or Juno Lewis and I suspect both first names are misspellings.
This is probably who you’re talking about…..
Apphia Fauntleroy LEWIS, b.1758 Halifax Co., Va; m’d on 29 April 1783 Halifax Co., Va., David ALLEN, b. Apr 1754 Cumberland Co., Va., d. 1818 Pittsylvania Co., Va. Sur: JOHN Lewis.
(she is from the Meriweather Lewis lines which explains all the data on them. “David Allen lived on the Dan River, 5 miles from Danville, Pitts. Co., Va., and one of the original members of the ‘Society of the Cincinnati’ “.
John Lewis “lived on the Dan River in NC”)
Apphia’s Parents:
Col. John Lewis, b. 21 Aug 1725 Chemokins, NEW KENT Co., Va., (Will dated July 1790 CASWELL Co., NC, naming wife Catherine, son John, daughters Apphia ALLEN and Sarah TAYLOR.) and
Catherine Fauntleroy, b.1733, d. 1797 [d/o of Col. Wm. Fauntleroy 1684 – 1757 (mother: Katherine GRIFFIN, b.1664)
and Apphia BUSHROD].
Col. John Lewis’s parents:
Robert LEWIS, b.1701 Gloucester Co., Va, lived in New Kent Co.; d. 1765 Louisa Co., Va married abt. 1724:
Jane MERRIWEATHER, d/o Maj. Nicholas Meriweather, b. 20 Oct 1667 James City, Va; d. 1744 Albermarle Co., Va; and married abt. 1688 Elizabeth Crawford.
John Lewis and Catherine Fauntleroy Lewis’s children besides Apphia:
John, b. 31 Aug 1753 Chemokins, New Kent Co., Va;
m’d Elizabeth Howell KENNON.
Francis, b. 1755 Dinwiddie Co., Va.
Sarah, b. 29 May 1760 Halifax Co., Va; m’d Phillip TAYLOR.
Thomas, b. 1761 Halifax Co., Va; m’d Sarah Hawley HARRISON.
Jane, b. 1763 Halifax Co., Va.
Maybe more children b. in Halifax Co.
……………………………………………………………….
David Allen’s parents’:
Only a hunch !
Bill
Well, I wasn’t content with the Person co Allen confusion and knowing Allen was known in Carroll co Va where my daddy’s people are from (Hillsville courthouse massacre)
In the 1780 to 1800 timeframe there are no Davids in Carroll co but there are at least 3 William Allens transacting land deals. Pauls Ck William, Chestnut Ck William the Older, Chestnut Ck William the Younger. Also John Allen and James and Robert and Samuel……… no time now ..Becky and I are headed for the monthly Person Co Historical Society meeting…. one point …the Chestnut Ck Williams are gone by 1807, probably to Hawkins Co, Tenn 😉
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