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Dreamcatcher,
On the 1870 Person Co Census, a James Collins, 76, b.NC, is living with Chesley (54) and Martha J. (44) Hicks.
On the 1850 Person Co Census, living next door to Chesley (“Chiley”) and Martha J. Hicks, is James Collins, 55, and his wife Barbara (Brinkley) Collins, 42, both b.NC.
Orange Co Marriage Bonds:
James COLLINS and Barbara BRINKLEY
Bond Dated: 1 June 1825
Bond # 95894
Bondsman: William Van Hook
1830 Orange Co Census, North District, p.353, is a good fit:
James COLLINS
(Household contains)
1 male 30 to 39 (James)
1 female under 5 (Martha)
1 female 20 to 29 (Barbara)
Next door to James is
John COLLINS
(Household contains)
1 male 5 to 9.
1 male 20 to 29.
1 female 5 to 9.
1 female 15 to 19.
1 female 20 to 29.
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I have census records on Chesley and Martha Hicks for 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880 and for Amanda Winston’s family & children thru 1910 if you need them.
Amanda J. Hicks’ brother James M., b.July 1847, m’d a Nancy J. _?_ , b.Feb 1847, and she and their children were listed as Mulatto in 1880 and White in 1900 which tells me she was probably Indian.
Bill
Bill, you are absolutely amazing and I am so, so grateful to you. I can’t believe I had not seen Jame Collins, 76. I think when I first found it–and it was a while back, I read it as James, age 6. But at that time I didn’t know Martha was Martha Jane Collins Hicks. I found a note written in mother’s hand that said that Martha and Chesley were reared in Orange Co. I have been searching for Chesley before 1850 and have not found him, but had not made the connections with Martha. This is so helpful. Now some pieces are falling together.
I knew that James had married and had children–I found that early on, but had not made copies and have been intending to go back and make a copy. I totally missed the mulatto or would have had a clue much earlier. From the forum, I have concluded that the mixed blood must be on the Hicks side, since Hicks are found on the forum, but there is not much about Winstons and they seem pretty illusive! (although it may be on both sides) Ken found the WPA records in looking for the cemetery where Amanda and Samuel are buried, and found that they were in a Hicks cemetery which was listed as mixed blood. The cemetery itself has not been found yet. I am hoping to get to Person Co in the next two weeks. Even if we never find the cemeteries, it will be good to be there…..and who knows, maybe we will be led. I still feel like such a neophyte, but this information is really exciting. I had searched for Chesley so hard in recent days and hit dead ends and was really getting discouraged. Your timing could not be better. I am going to print out what you have done. Will be back in touch. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Roberta
Bless you! I am so grateful! Do you remember which census you found James in. I am searching back for that now. Am working on 1880.
Just found them! I see what you mean. Thanks so much. I totally missed the small print! But I suspect that Nancy was not the origin of the mixed blood. Do you think that is an accurate guess?
What I think is that someone who appears ‘White’ (at least to a census taker) and marries a mixed race or Indian person shortly after the Civil War in NC, probably wasn’t all ‘white’ himself. Having a COLLINS mother makes me question it, regardless of where they are 🙂
Bill
Roberta,
Winston/Shaw:
The 1910 Durham Co NC Census you referred to in another thread:
Winston, L.D.; Weaver, 29, m’d once, m’d 8 Yrs, NC.
…………., Jannie; wife, 27, NC.
…………., May; dau, 5. NC.
…………., Sam; son, 3, NC.
…………., Arther; son, 1, NC.
SHAW, Lilly; sister-in-law; 19, NC.
“Jannie” is probably a nickname for “Jane” and “Jane” was probably still just a middle name by the 1880s.
Compare Jannie and Lilly’s ages in 1910 to a 1900 Moore Co., NC Census; District 79 Mineral Springs Twp; Sheet 5 B, Visit 83:
SHAW, James; Teamster, 30, NC.
………, Flora E.; wife, 28, NC.
………, MARY J.; dau, 16, NC*******
………, LILY; dau, 9, NC*******
………, James; son, 6, NC.
………, Lula E.; dau, 4, NC.
………, Daniel; brother, 32, NC.
If you are certain your SHAWs came from Moore Co., this is probably them.
Bill
Bill, This looks like the best possibility that I have seen. Her tombstone has Jannie M. Winston. That could have easiely been reversed from M. Jannie through the years. The date of birth on the tombstone is 28 April 1882, so the ages are close depending on when the census was taken–and maybe even census ages could be of a bit. The date of death is 28 June 1915. I was looking for three girls, a Sarah or Sallie, but I could be wrong about that. Sarah or Sallie could have been a cousin. Or she could have been older and already married in 1900. In fact, I think she was already married in 1900, because she was not listed in the 1900 census with Amanda. Just Charles and Luondo! So William Winston and Sallie were already married! Bingo! And to think I have seached and searched the 1900 census. You are slowly teaching me a different way of thinking! Again, thank you, thank you, thank you. Roberta
PS What would a teamster have been in 1900? I am just realizing that I may also have Shaw cousins still around as well as Hicks and maybe Collins and Winstons and Sneeds or Chambers. The world keeps getting bigger and bigger. Wouldn’t that be great to actually connect to some of them?!
I searched for the census record this afternoon and finally found it, but noticed that Lily was Lily James and listed as a son! Now, bless her, she could have looked like a little boy to the census taker. I did search for James and Daniel in the 1910 and didn’t find either of them– this is still the best lead I have. And census takers could make mistakes I assume! thanks again. Just thought you would be interested in this tidbit. And could I have found a different copy?
‘Teamster’ in 1900 was a job description and would be someone who transported goods and supplies from place to place with a wagon and team of horses.
There is a “Lily” and a “James” as siblings of Mary J. (Jannie), with Lily listed as a male, a common enough census error.
Bill
YES!!!!!!!!!! HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!YIPEE!!!!! I CAN’T WAIT TO GET THERE!
See you Friday–if I can wait until then!!!!!!! YAHOO! AND TO THINK I FOUND HER PICTURE TODAY,TOO!!!!!!!! I THINK SHE WANTED TO BE FOUND!
YOU TWO ARE GREAT! FORGIVE ME FOR SHOUTING! I JUST CAN’T HELP IT! THANK YOU, A THOUSAND TIMES, THANK YOU! AND BLESS YOU! roberta
Those Two DO, do great things. A dragonfly landed on my hand yesterday afternoon.
Thanks for the confirmation.
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