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Also I hate to burst bubbles here, but what grandpa said and photos do not prove being native. I am not saying the Mounts did not have native blood, but if grandpa was a full blood he would know, and thusly you would know which tribe/nation you were from.
Alot of people do not know this, but one of the contributing factors to people saying they are Blackfoot had to deal with being poor and running around (even to school) in those areas ov W.V. & Kentucky all summer with no shoes…if lucky they could afford a pair for winter or they would wrap rags around their feet. So it became a joke that they were Blackfeet. They knew there was some native in them, but by that time had no idea where. So your grandpa may have heard Blackfoot as a kid and thought they were being serious.
The Ratcliff/Ratliff, Lambert as well, line appear to have some sort of Shawnee connection and were in Wayne Co. W.V. which sits right next to Logan Co. The families in that area of W.V. moved back and forth alot between Kentucky and W.V. I have one line that moved clear over into Illinois, then back to W.V.
Could be some Saponi connection, but so far all I have ever been able to trace certain families to from Wayne Co. W.V. was the Powhatan or a sub-tribe. Ratliffs/Ratcliffs had some Shawnee connection, Mounts may be the family with Saponi blood somewhere.
If I can speak a bit for Brenda, she did have both Mounts and Steeles. She and I communicated for a time, because we have similar locations (and if I remember my grandfather’s line, there was a Mount). She too has the Blackfoot story, coming from either or both of those surnames.
Send her an email.
Techteach
You must be right, Steve-O – Joel’s database has both Ballards as grandsons of Charles Mounts and Mary Ann Spratt, and Charles is a son of David Cecil Mounts.
Here are the two Ballard Mounts in the 1880 census:
1880 Kentucky – Pike Co. Peter Creek District – page no. 18, supervisor’s dist. no. 5, enumeration district 101 – date June 23, 1880, Wm. R. Dotson, enumerator
starting on line 8, dwelling number 153, family number 164
Mounts, Elijah, white, male, age 38, married, farmer, cannot read or write, born Virginia, both parents born Virginia
Mounts, Matilda, white, female, age 30, wife, works on farm, cannot read or write, born Kentucky, father born Virginia, mother born Pennsylvania
Mounts, Martha, white, female, age 14, daughter, single, works on farm, attended school in past year, cannot read or write (?), born KY, father born VA, mother born KY
Mounts, Anderson, white, male, age 12, son, single, farm laborer, cannot read or write, born KY, father born VA, mother born KY
Mounts, Ballard, white, male, age 10, son, farm laborer, cannot read or write, born KY, father born VA, mother born KY
Mounts, Greeley, white, male, age 6, son, born KY, father born VA, mother born KY
Lane, Samuel, white, male, 45 or 48, brother-in-law, pauper, cannot read or write, born KY, father born VA, mother born PA.
(which would lead you to guess that Matilda’s maiden name is Lane)
1880 West Virginia, Logan Co., Magnolia district – page eleven, supervisor’s district no. two, enumeration district no. 95, enumerated June, 21, 1880, Jos. Simpkins, enumerator.
beginning line 18, house no. 83, dwelling 83, family 83
Mounts, Harison, white, male, age 37, married, farmer, born KY, father born VA, mother born VA
Mounts, Clara, white, female, age 36, wife, keeps house, cannot read or write, born VA, father born VA, mother born KY
Mounts, Ballard, white, male, age 12, son, single, farmer, attended school in last year, cannot write, born WV, father born KY, mother born VA
Mounts, Millenen?, McClenen? (not sure about this spelling), white, male, age 10, son, single, farmer, attended school, cannot write, born WV, father born KY, mother born VA
Mounts, Harve, white, male, age 9, son, attended school, born WV, father born KY, mother born VA
Mounts, Al??? (can’t make it out), white, male, age 7, son, attended school, born WV, father born KY, mother born VA
Mounts, Ribeson, white, male, age 3, son, born WV, father born KY, mother born VA
Mounts, Jno, white, male, age 2/12, son, born WV, father born KY, mother born VA
I tried to write down everything I saw, no matter how redundant – sorry for the excess detail!!!
Mount is a line I’m seeing connected to our Heaton-Walburn-Jones-Smith lines. In particular Emily Mount 1802-1842 who passed in Broome NY. She married Alonzo Griffith Gates 1800-1832 of Onondaga NY. My line is through his brother Alfred Gates.
I have a Pamela Mount who was supposed to have been born somewhere in PA in 1810. She marries into my grandfather’s line. My uncle and I believe that she was native. I recently had a DNA match that may be connected via Pamela.
Techteach
Emily Mount had a daughter she named Pamela born 1826-27.
I started looking at Emily Mount because she connects a cousin on our Brower-Gates line to a cousin on the FB Saponi United group. We triangulated a DNA match between 10 people, with genealogy, and oral history along several separate family lines. One group of living descendants are in OK, and estimate their blood quantum’s between 1/16 and 1/2 based on their history. My mother and I are not a blood line genealogically to the Mounts that I know of though.
Emily Mount is a brick-wall. I can’t find anyone who has a record of her parents. Her birth is 1802 in uncertain location. Her children are listed as born in Cattaraugus, Chautauqua County NY and Erie County PA between 1824 and 1836.
It seems a lot of connections tie back to this time and place. The population of these counties at the time was small – under 10,000. It strikes me that these locations are not far from the Seneca Cornplanter Tract. Cornplanter walked on in 1836 so would have been there at this time. It would be interesting to compare DNA. But there are no living descendants I’m aware of. Jesse Cornplanter (1889-1957) was Cornplanter’s last known living direct descendant.
Regardless of the specific tribal affiliation of these ancestors there seems to be little to no doubt they were Native American. Sorting out the connected maternal haplogroups is difficult. There are multiple A2 haplopgroup cousins connected. It is hard to get specifics with so many brick walls. The cousins I found in OK on this line used a ’50 brick walls’ email address. 😛
While there is no specific tribal affiliation that ties all the DNA cousins together on the segment we identified, they do trace back to certain histories. Saponi, Tutelo, and Catawba and later merging into the Seneca and Cayuga. Other remnants of Powhatan are connected and possibly Munsee as well. It seems to me that part of the reason descendants have had difficulty identifying tribal affiliation is because it became very complicated in mid-1700s frontier PA. There are a lot of brick walls in this time and place.
Pamela Mount is in my Grandfather’s line, not connected with the other’s unless my uncle is correct and both lines go back to Swearingens. Known native lines in my family are in Grandma’s line, although my uncle who has extensively researched Grandpa’s Carpenter line says they have rumors of native too. Both of us think was Pamela Mount. She was supposed to have been born somewhere in PA.
Recently, Mom was matched on Chromosome 10 (I think) to another Mount descendant. They most certainly look native.
I have a record of her marriage to my ancestor, Joseph Carpenter, Jr. in Guernesy County, OH on May 28, 1829. I also put down a tentative brother named John Mount who I found on records as dying in Guernesy County. I am not sure anymore why I called him a brother and not a father. I seem to have a birthdate for John speculated as 1811.
Techteach
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