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Thank you so much for your question, because it may be a lead to some questions I have concerning my g-uncle,Shade Shadrach Banks and his sister,my g-grandma, Annie Sara Banks who are the son and daughter of Sara Sally Hall. My grandfather, Ed Sturgill, said that his grandmother was indian, but I never knew what kind. I see their pics andthey all had thick black hair and dark complexions. They look like they could be shawne or blackfoot. I am like you trying to put the history together.
Sandra,
I don’t know if my Hall’s will connect to yours. I have Moses Hall born about 1793 in Va, died after 1880 in Ky. He married Rhoda New May 28, 1813 in Wayne Co., Ky. As far as I know they had five children Anna, Oma, William, Susan and Riley. As for having Native Blood I don’t know. Some say that Rhoda’s father John Wesley New had NB.
You know that name sounds familiar. I know Alfred Hall and his brother’s and sisters had several kids. So may be they are related I will have to research more. Moses sounds familiar. There were a lot of cherokees after the trail of tears that migrated to se kentucky so I would not doubt about Mr. Wesley.
Sandra,
What part of SE KY?? My family was in Pike, Floyd, before moving to Grundy, VA.
I found some info on a Hall from Pikeville, KY, he is in the Sparks line…I haven’t figured out if it is mine yet or not. If you have ancestry, you can view his photo here: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/ViewPhoto.aspx?tid=40896&pid=-2140374798&oid=726473cb-3910-481c-a845-36864aa8089d&pg=0
Here his info:
Frank Alfred Hall
Born: 5 APR 1901
Pike Co., KY
Died: 8 DEC 1973
Hammond, IN
His father:
Elijah Hall
Born: ABT 1880
Siblings:
Fannie
Flora
Golda
Laura
Nora
Pearl
I will see what else I can dig up:)
Shirley
Oh! thank you so much. You just never know! My ancestors started out in Wilkes,Ashe,Alleghany Co NC and spread out to Grayson Co,VA and now Letcher Co. Ky, and Perry Co. There are a few in Breathitt and Floyd Co, KY as well.
Sandra W wrote: Oh! thank you so much. You just never know! My ancestors started out in Wilkes,Ashe,Alleghany Co NC and spread out to Grayson Co,VA and now Letcher Co. Ky, and Perry Co. There are a few in Breathitt and Floyd Co, KY as well.
A few of your surnames are the same as families that lived around mine in KY and VA:) Mine beebopped in and out of NC/VA along the Piedmont and took a short respite in TN. before moving to KY, VA, WV. My 4xgrandfather George was born in Perry, KY and then the family went to Pike/Floyd. I think my Adkins were from Grayson, VA.
I will keep hunting and see what I can find.
Shirley
Hall’s/Banks/Sturgill/Butler/Tyner– Cherokee/The Old Settler Roll:
I am the daughter of Douglas Emerson Sturgill m. Barbara Sturgill, then his parents: Eward Willie Stugill m. Anna Jacquiline Sturgill, then his parents: John Calvin Sturgill m. wife#1 Alpha Elizabeth Clark, wife #2 Annie Banks, then his parents: Elijah G. Sturgill m. Emmaline Louvina Creech, then his parets: David Sturgill m. Rebecca Hash, then his parents: Francis Sturgill Sr. (note: Francis Sturgill Jr., David Sturgill, Joel Sturgill were all brothers). Joel Sturgill married a cherokee squaw by the name of Seaberry therefore, joel is part cherokee.
My Grandmother: Sara Annie (Hall) Banks (thought to be of blackfoot decent??), then her parents: James Banks m. Sara Sally Hall, then Sara’s parents: Alfred David Hall m. Roxanna Polly, then Alfred’s parents: Riley W. Hall m. Janet Jane Cook; however, Roxanna Polly’s parents were: Henry C. Polly m. Martha Patsy Hall, then her parents: Anthony Hall m. Ruth Butler, then her parents: were William Butler and Elizabeth Tyner/Tiner.
l. # 2 : WESTERN CHEROKEE ROLLS
OLD SETTLER ROLL: 1851 A listing of Cherokee, still living in 1851, who were already residing in Oklahoma when the main body of the Cherokee arrived in the winter of 1839 – as a result of the 1835 Treaty of New Echota. Approximately one third of the Cherokee people at that time were Old Settlers and two thirds were new arrivals.
Name: Family G
TINER, Alexander 69 Cynthia 1 David 69 Eliza 1 Elizabeth 18 Elizabeth G. 29 George 29 Jackson 29 Letitia 29 Lewis 69 Lydia 29 Nancy 29 Nathan 69 Nathan M 69 Polly 1 Reuben 69 Ruth 1 Sarah Jane 69 Seaborn 69 Thomas 1
*note* I personally would assume that each family was listed by family group #…..so everyone with the same # was in the same family? Nancy was another name for Mary
Credit given to: Dennis Ward!!
Hope to see some results on the Tyner list. Dennis Ward
If anyone has any corrections on the Tyner list please tell me and Dennis!!
Anthony Hall married 22 Sept 1792 in Caswell Co NC to 1st Winney Harrell. Anthony Hall m. 23 Dec 1794 in in Halifax Caswell Co NC to 2nd Ruth Butler b abt 1770 in SC and died 1 Jul 1854 in Letcher Co KY. Children of Anthony Hall and 2nd Ruth Butler;
Martha “Patsy” Hall born in 1802 married 15 April 1819 to Henry Polly
Samuel Hall born 1815 married in 1837 to Susannah Vance.
Alexander “Alex” Hall born 1811 married 7 January 1830 in Pike Co KY to Susannah Morgan
John W Hall was born in 1808 in Knox Co KY and married in 1828 to Henrietta Burke. Children
James Hall “One-eyed Jim” Hall b 1799 Halifax Co VA d 29 Nov 1879 Letcher Co KY. m. 4 Oct 1822 Perry Co KY to Sarah “Sally” Johnson b abt 1801
William J “Gunsmith Billy” Hall b 1797 in Grayson Co VA d 30 October 1878 in Floyd Co KY. He is buried in Floyd Co KY. m. 11 July 1816 in Floyd Co KY to Margaret Johnson b abt 1794 VA d/o Patrick Johnson and Delilah Carter.
All Credits on Butler/Hall given to:
http://yeahpot.com/hall/anthonyhall1752.html
*2nd Husband of [6] Mary Tyner:
+William Riley Butler Abt. 1820 –
3 Ruth Ann Butler Abt. 1844 –
Tyner family were on the Cherokee Old Settler Rolls:
Credt to: Mr. Blankenship
Mary Tyner/Cherokee/Old Settler Roll:
. MARY3 TYNER (JENNIE2 CARTER, NATHANIEL G1) was born Abt. 1816. She married (1) _____ IRVING Bef. 1840. He was born Abt. 1816. She married (2) WILLIAM RILEY BUTLER Bef. 1843. He was born Abt. 1816. She married (3) JOHN RAMSEY Bef. 1852. He was born Abt. 1816.
More About MARY TYNER:
1851 Old Settler roll: Saline, 1 as Polly Tiner (1895 page 175).
Children of MARY TYNER and WILLIAM BUTLER are:
25. iii. RUTH ANN4 BUTLER, b. December 11, 1843; d. August 15, 1875. iv. WILLIAM THOMAS BUTLER, b. 1848; d. Bet. 1880 – 1890; m. ELIZA JANE RILEY; b. 1846; d. Abt. 1904. More About WILLIAM THOMAS BUTLER: 1851 Old Settler roll: Saline, 1 as Thomas Butler (1895 page 175)
1880 Census [CN]: Tahlequah, 295 as Wm R[T] Butler
Occupation: 1880, Mechanic
Dawes roll: card# 4251, roll# 10240 Blood: 1/4 Cherokee Starr’s Notes: D506 … NN5 RUSSELL (RUTH ANN4 BUTLER, MARY3 TYNER, JENNIE2 CARTER …I also have a Hall from Kentucky that appears to have hatched from an egg, so if anyone has any ideas I’m all ears
Sally/Sarah A HALL
Born: 1813, KY
Her parents were also born in Kentucky.
She married: James E CRYSTAL
By 1860 they were living in Lexington, Fayette Co KY
Her son: George Washington CRYSTAL
George’s daughter: Ettie Marshall CRYSTAL, my gggrandmother.
Ettie’s other surnames are DEANE, SMITH, MEADE, SANDIFER, STOVALL, and BAILEY. I trace these names back to the 1600’s in Manakin Town (Huguenot settlement) and Powhatan County Virginia, but they all ended up in SW Virginia for a while before moving on to Kentucky in the late 1700’s. I haven’t traced any of these ancestors directly to the Huguenots (they appear to be all English), but I swear my ancestors’ siblings did their darndest to marry as many Huguenots as possible.
Hey spilleddi I know that I’ve read most of your posts but can’t rememeber if you have been into the Pocahantas ancestors?…. I ask because my husband is related to the Meades of Virginia and the Meades seemed to have hung out heavily with the Rolphs and the Pocahantas descendents. Some inter -marriage between these groups.
There is no story of Pocahontas as an ancestor in my family, they just say Indian, although they do say our Indian ancestors met the first English boats to came to Virginia shores. I know theres Deanes who are Pocahantas descendents from were my Deanes are from in the Powhatan county area in Virginia, but my Deanes are a dead end.
Heres what I know about my Meade family. They may be from somewhere around New Kent or Chesterfield Virginia
Martha MEADE
Born between 1760 and 1770 in Virginia
Married Jeremiah GLENN
Born around 1765 in Hanover county Virginia
Hi My Name Is Janice Hall,rhoton My Grandfather Was Lillie Hall,s Brother. Richard And Rachel Hall Was Their Parents.i Have Been Told Her Last Name Was Schwartz
Thanks Janice
I have the Hall family in my line from Va ending up in Wayne Co., Ky. My 5Ggrandfather was Moses Hall married to Rhoda New who was born in Albemarle, Va. I don’t know if Moses came from your line or not but I would love to share some names.
hi reba i havent found a moses hall in my line but it is possible. my roots go from ed hall ,my father.his father was george h. married to margaret rust . george halls father was richard married to rachel .they were from lee co.,va. and abingdon,va.on the wythe co.,va. 1900 census
thanks so much
janice rhoton
Below is some of the info I have on my Hall line. I don’t have anything before James except that his probable father was William Hall that died 1768 Fredericks Co, Va.
1. James Hall. Died Before 1850.
He married Elizabeth. Born 1750.
They had the following children:
2 i. Moses Hall
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2. Moses Hall. Born About 1793 in Va. Died After 1880 in Ky. Occupation Gunsmith Of Sorts In 1880.
1850-60-70 Census, Wayne Co, Ky/1880 Lincoln Co
He married Rhoda New, daughter of John Wesley New & Lucinda Godsey, 28 May 1813 in Wayne Co., Ky by Richard Barrier. Born 28 May 1792 in Albemarle Co, Va. Died Before 1880.
They had the following children:
3 i. Anna Hall
ii. Oma Hall; Born 1832 in Kentucky.
She married James Owens.
iii. William Hall; Born 1834 in Kentucky.
iv. Susan Hall; Born 1838 in Kentucky.
v. Riley Hall; Born 1840 in Kentucky.
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3. Anna Hall. Born 1818 in Kentucky.
She married Jacob New 14 May 1835 in Wayne Co., Ky. Born 1812 in Kentucky.
1850 Wayne Census
Jacob New, 38, VA
Anna New, 32, ky
Delila New, 11, KY
Isham New, 11, KY
Franky New, 10, KY (F)
Rhoda New, 8, KY
James New, 6, KY
Elizabeth New, 5, KY
Gilson New, 1, KY
Nancy New, 53, VA, “idiotic”
They had the following children:
4 i. Delilia New
ii. Isham New; Born 1839.
5 iii. Rhoda New
iv. Franky New; Born 1840.
v. James New; Born 1844.
He married Sarah. Born 1850.
vi. Elizabeth New; Born 1845.
vii. Gilson P New; Born 1849.
He married Jane. Born 1858.
6 viii. Sarah Ann New
ix. John New; Born 22 Aug 1853 in Indian Head, Ky.
He married Delila Keith, daughter of Martin Thomas Keith, 17 Jul 1875. Born 30 Dec 1859.
x. Telitha New; Born 1856.
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