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Linda,
My brother was just telling me about Bacon’s Rebellion the other night on the phone. I am so sorry!!!! I feal like a trator!!!
He said that one of my darn Ashby ancestors played a big roll in that rebellion. I could have spit nails!!
If I had been there, I would have slapped the guy into a new time zone!!!
Dan,
I also read that some Cherokees came out of Ohio. I’m still trying to see where they fit in to my family, but some registered Cherokees came from Scioto County Ohio. Like I said though, I’m still researching that whole link up.
This is all so helpful to me, THANK YOU. Lynella.
Lynella,
Don’t feel bad. My direct ggggggrandfather was involved in the murder of Chief Logan’s family. I have poked in genealogy enough now to believe that he might have been murdering his in-laws. He came to PA where he did this awful thing in the employ of none other than George Washington himself.
Another branch of my family became connected with the soldier who wielded the first tomahawk to kill the Gnaddhutten Moravian Indians. After avenging natives dealt with him, his widow was released and married a distant great-uncle. The soldier’s children were raised by the family and married into it.
All of us have skeletons in our closets.
Techteach
Hey Dan did you know that in Ohio there was a Rickahoken River! I had seen this on a very ealry map and near the river was a Shawnee village! If your interested I’ll post more of this info for you.
I had recently read that the Carolina tribes were horrified by these people, said to burn crops and eat children!
Tom; I would greatly appreciate that info. Thank you.
I doubt if the Richahockens/Westos were cannibals but they did wreck havoc on the Siouan tribes of the Carolinas. They turned into slave raiders for the British.
That Ohio location is interesting as Cristopher Gist reported that the Rickahocken started as a branch of the Erie tribe and migrated through Ohio from the Great Lakes area.
Dan.
At the link below it says (talking of th Westoes as tho they are Euchee (Yuchi) pretty intereting stuff —
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/uchean/yuchihist.htm
Yuchi (‘situated yonder,’ probably given by some Indians of the tribe in answer to the inquiry “Who are you?” or ” Whence come you?”). A tribe coextensive with the Uchean family. Recent investigations point strongly to the conclusion that the Westo referred to by early Carolina explorers and settlers, and from whom Savannah river was originally named, were the Yuchi. It is uncertain whether the Stono, whose name is sometimes coupled with the Westo, were related to them, or whether the two tribes have been confused on account of a similarity in designation. The early writers also state that the Westo were driven out of their country in 1681 by the Savannah (Shawnee), but this must mean only a part of them. Another name applied to at least the northernmost Yuchi was Hogologee. These different names have caused much confusion, and standard maps of the 18th century have Westos, Hogologees, and Yuchi (or Uchee) noted independently. It is probable, however, that all of these were Yuchi, representing, instead of separate tribes, a number of successive migrations of Yuchi from Savannah river to the Chattahoochee-the Westo being, those driven out by the Shawnee, the Hogologee those who emigrated with the Apalachicola after the Yamasee war, and the Yuchi those who changed their place of abode between 1729 and 1750, just before and after the settlement of Georgia. . .
Itis a pretty long atricle. Please go tehre for the rest of it.
I think I read the same article or a simular one about a week ago, that they ate children. I’ll have to go did through my books again and see what I was reading.
Vance has some good information there too. Take care, Lynella.
Hello All , That info I mentioned is in a book called “The Long Hunt”; it is on the buffalo east of the Mississippi, from some reports these were the larger variety called “Woods Bison” , the ones that I have seen get very large, around 2500 pounds, very large!
Any way the info on the Rickahoken river is on a map in that book and is the route that Christopher Gist took into the southern areas., the image is rather poor but still there.
I’d like to know more about the Erie folks tho!
I will post more in the nest few days.
Okay here the rest , The Long Hunt , death of the Buffalo East of the Mississippi, Ted Franklin Belue 1996 StockPole Bokks.
pg. 73 map The Routes of Dr.Thomas Walker and Christopher Gist ; this map shows the rickahoken River south and west of Marietta on the Ohio river, other maps of the area show Shawnee villages.
Hope this helps, Tom
Lynella, I have a good deal of the narratives on Bacon’s Rebellion digitized on my other site, http://www.greattradingpath.com/native-american-indian-history/bacon-rebellion/page-v.htm. I had a gig last winter digitizing this for a William and Mary project, and I used the opportunity to publish it on the site. You should be able to find mention of your Ancestor there.
If you want to read a summary of the events, it’s probably best to start with the Commissioner’s report, http://www.greattradingpath.com/native-american-indian-history/bacon-rebellion/page-99.htm. It does have biases, perhaps placing too much blame on Governor Berkeley, but it does seem to mention most of the events involved in some detail.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chairman
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
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Subject: my family from 1590 AD back to 450 AD and powerpoint of family line from present to 1590 AD
don’t worry if it looks like we are Cherokee but we have all the proof on earth that we are definitely pure Erie Indian Moundbuilders. We have proof from maps, lineage, linguistics, history and scriptures by local, state, federal government and other Countries. We have proof from the colonies and even President George Washington. We have proof that my family were the Chiefs of the Erie Nation and were called Cherokee when they knew we were the Erie Indian Moundbuilders and was known as the Rechahecrians a corruption of Rickahockans http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/mcpherson/mcpherson.html . We were listed by more than 55 different names and we found nearly 20 more. In addition to the volumes of documents we have my lineage from the present to 1590 AD when Europeans started to marry into our family. We have traced the European bloodline which reveals total royality from many different countries back to 1065 AD. I am sure that the Historical Society and all civilized Nations on earth will be totally surprised and will help us to preserve our history.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chairman
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
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HUSBAND
Name: Nathan Hicks
Born: 6 Nov 1743 at Albermarle Parish, Sussex, VA Non Cherokee [2]
Married: 1763 at Cherokee Nation
Died: Aft 1829 at Spring Place, GA, Cherokee Nation East
Father: Robert Hicks
Mother: Mary
WIFE
Name: Nan-ye-hi
Born: 1745 at Overhill, Cherokee Nation East Native America Full Cherokee
Died: Aft 1780 at GA, Cherokee Nation East Native Americalifornia
Father: Chief Dutch Tau-chee Broom Deer Clan
Mother: Nancy Broom Moytoy Full Blood Paint Clan
CHILDREN
Name: Catherine Hicks
Born:
Died:
Name: Mary Hicks
Born: Abt 1763
Died:
Husband: Wilson
Name: Go-sa-du-i-sga
Born: Abt 1765 at Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died: 24 Sep 1816 at Chattanooga, C N East Now TN
Husband: Walter Scott
Name: Chief Charles Renatus Hicks
Born: 23 Dec 1767 at Tomali, Hiwassee River, TN Half Cherokee
Died: 20 Jan 1827 at Fortville, TN Red Clay, Cherokee Nation Now TN , Springplace, GA
Wife: Nancy Vann
Name: William Abraham Hicks
Born: Abt 1769 at Tomatley, TN Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died: Bef 1839
Wife: Sarah Bathia Foreman
Name: Elizabeth Hicks
Born: Abt 1771 at Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died:
Husband: Richard Fields Jr.
Name: George Hicks
Born: Abt 1772 at Hiwasee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died:
SOURCES
2). http http://www.angelfire.com ak2 MannFamilyTree 7thGeneration.h
Family Sheet
HUSBAND
Name: Richard Fields Jr.
Born: Abt 1780 at Cherokee Nation, East 1 4 Cherokee
Married:
Died: 1827 at TX
Other Spouses: Jenny (nancy) Brown Jennie Buffington
Father: Richard Fields Sr.
Mother: Susannah Emory
WIFE
Name: Elizabeth Hicks
Born: Abt 1771 at Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died:
Other Spouses: Walter Scott Eliphas M. Holt Thomas Wilson William Campbell James Vann
Father: Nathan Hicks
Mother: Nan-ye-hi
CHILDREN
Name: Moses Fields
Born: 1804
Died:
Wife: Elizabeth Bigby
Name: Dempsey Fields
Born: Abt 1806 at Cherokee Nation, Spartanburg, SC
Died:
Wife: Julia Harris
Name: Henry Fields
Born: Abt 1808 at Cherokee Nation East
Died:
Wife: Hester Ross
Family SheetHUSBANDName: John Oo-no-du-tu Bushyhead Stuart Born: 25 Sep 1718 at Iverness, Scotland Married: Died: 2 Feb 1779 at Pensacola, FL WIFEName: Susannah Emory Born: Abt 25 Nov 1751 at Cherokee Nation, TN 1 4 Cherokee Died: Aft 1767 at Cherokee Nation, TN Other Spouses: Joseph Martin Richard Fields Sr. Father: William Emory Mother: Mary Susannah Grant CHILDRENName: Oo-no-du-tu Bushyhead StuartBorn: Died: Family SheetHUSBANDName: William Emory Born: 1720 at City Of London, , London, England Married: Abt 1744 at Cherokee Nation East Native America Died: Aft 1745 at Cherokee Nation East Native America Father: William Emory Mother: Elizabeth Peake WIFEName: Mary Susannah Grant Note Born: 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America TN Half Cherokee Died: Aft 1745 at Cherokee Nation East Native America Father: Ludovic Grant Mother: Elizabeth Eughiootee Coody CHILDRENName: Mary Emory Born: 1747 at Cherokee Nation East, TN Died: Husband: R. Fawling Name: Elizabeth Emory Born: 1749 at Cherokee Nation East, TN Died: Husband: R. Due Name: William Emory Jr. Born: 1750 at TN Died: at Will s Knob, PA Name: Susannah Emory Born: Abt 25 Nov 1751 at Cherokee Nation, TN 1 4 Cherokee Died: Aft 1767 at Cherokee Nation, TN Husband: John Oo-no-du-tu Bushyhead Stuart Family SheetHUSBAND
Name: Ludovic Grant Note
Born: 1696 at Scotland
Married: 1726 at TN
Died: Aft 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America
Father: Ludovic Grant
Mother: Janet Brodie
WIFE
Name: Elizabeth Eughiootee Coody Note
Born: 1706 at Cherokee Nation East, TN Full Cherokee
Died: Aft 1727 at TN
CHILDREN
Name: Mary Susannah Grant
Born: 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America TN Half Cherokee
Died: Aft 1745 at Cherokee Nation East Native America
Husband: William Emory
NOTES
1). Notes for LUDOVIC GRANT On page 466, Starr state s t h a t L udovic Grant married a woman of the Long Hair C lan h ow ever , on page 561and 563 it states that he marr ie d a me mbe r o f the Wolf Clan. Two wives, or a typo? He was the Clan Chief of the Grant holdings in Scotl a n d a n d they lost the war in the Jacobite Rebellion. Th e y w er e ca ptured by the British at Preston and banishe d t o th e N ew Wo rld. Ludovic arrived on the Susannah an d mov ed i n wit h th e Cherokee, his cousins all went to B osto n and t he Car ibbea n area. Sir Alexander Cuming, in his brief Journal which appe a r e d i n the Historical Register of London for 1731, des cr ib e d hi s adventures in the Cherokee Nation in 1730 wh en , wi t h th e aid of Ludovic Grant, he convinced seven y oun g Che ro kee s including future chief, Attakullakulla , th e Litt l e Carp enter to visit England and King Geo rge I I. In a statement recorded on page 301 of the Charlestow n , S o u th Carolina probate court in the book of 175417 5 8 i n a s worn statement of January 12, 1756, says, I t i s abou t thir ty years since I went into the Cheroke e C ount ry wher e I hav e resided ever since I speak the ir l angua ge . More About LUDOVIC GRANT Blood Scottish Christened A p r i l 12, 1702, Irvine, Scotland Emigration May 07 , 171 6 , fr o m Scottland to the New World Note India n Count ry man o f Cheoah Occupation Fur Trader Starrs Notes B 6572). karen.FTW A full blood Cherokee woman of the Long Hair clan na m e d E u ghiootee. Her English name was Eliz abeth Coody.Family SheetHUSBAND
Name: Ludovic Grant
Born: 1652 at Grant, Scotland
Married: 20 Dec 1671 at Scotland
Died: Nov 1716 at Edinburgh, Scotland
Father: James Grant
Mother: Mary Stewart
WIFE
Name: Janet Brodie
Born: Abt 1656 at Lethen, Scotland
Died: 1697 at Scotland
Father: Alexander Brodie
Mother: Elizabeth Craig
CHILDREN
Name: John Grant
Born: Abt 1675 at Pluscardine, Scotland
Died: 1747 at Scotland
Wife: Katherine Dick
Name: James Grant Baronet
Born: 28 Jul 1679 at Pluscardine, Scotland
Died: 16 Jan 1746
Wife: Anne Colquhoun
Name: Ludovic Grant
Born: 1696 at Scotland
Died: Aft 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America
Wife: Elizabeth Eughiootee Coody
Family SheetHUSBAND
Name: James Grant
Born: 24 Jun 1616 at Scotland
Married: 24 Apr 1640 at Scotland
Died: 1663 at Edinburgh, Scotland
Father: John Grant
Mother: Mary Ogilvie
WIFE
Name: Mary Stewart
Born: Abt 1605 at Scotland
Died: 18 Dec 1662 at Scotland
Father: James Stewart
Mother: Anne Gordon
CHILDREN
Name: Ludovic Grant
Born: 1652 at Grant, Scotland
Died: Nov 1716 at Edinburgh, Scotland
Wife: Janet Brodie
Please have your group members email me at tecumseh_browneagle@yahoo.com and or erieindians@earthlink.net I have proof source documents histories and my family lineage to the Eries when in ohio in fact i have when Europeans married into my tribe and their lineage to back to 450AD i have tribal family info on power point so i cant share much of my findings on here my cell is 814-572-4137
Don’t worry if it looks like we are Cherokee but we have all the proof on earth that we are definitely pure Erie Indian Moundbuilders. We have proof from maps, lineage, linguistics, history and scriptures by local, state, federal government and other Countries. We have proof from the colonies and even President George Washington. We have proof that my family were the Chiefs of the Erie Nation and were called Cherokee when they knew we were the Erie Indian Moundbuilders and was known as the Rechahecrians a corruption of Rickahockans http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/mcpherson/mcpherson.html . We were listed by more than 55 different names and we found nearly 20 more. In addition to the volumes of documents we have my lineage from the present to 1590 AD when Europeans started to marry into our family. We have traced the European bloodline which reveals total royality from many different countries back to 1065 AD. I am sure that the Historical Society and all civilized Nations on earth will be totally surprised and will help us to preserve our history.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chairman
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
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All Bones aka All Bones White Owl-Kalahu-Sawanugi-Shawano-Sawnook-Swanugi-Flying Squirrel – 1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee born about 1718-died after 1760 – son of Nancy Moytoy-Cherokee & White Owl-Shawnee, from the Lower towns & Cheowee, advisor to his cousin Oconastota Moytoy, raiding Ohio-New River valleys 1758, husband of Tame Deer Moytoy-1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee, father of All Bones Jr/50-1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee
howdy —
you said —
Name: Dempsey Fields
Born: Abt 1806 at Cherokee Nation, Spartanburg, SC
Died:
Wife: Julia Harris
reply —
in 1806 Spartanburg was not in the Cherokee Nation.
I also haev a quesstion for you. were the Hicks/Hix in Virignia related to the Cherokee Hicks?
Were the Rickahockans aka the Erie? were they aka the Westo? Were they aka the Euchee? I have heard evidence for all the above.
Also you name some famous Cherokee and if I read you right, you say they are not Cherokee? is that correct?
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