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Beeleaf:
Been wracking my brain as to why the name Grove sounded so familiar. It a long research trail with no end so far but I’ll try to make it short. A Chief Nitachache aka Ambrose Williams signed the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit (Choctaw) in MS. Since he had the same anglo namesake as our progenitor and as it is passed down in our family, I thought surely he was related somehow. After many hours of research, I discovered that he was raised by his white grandmother in TN returning to MS where he became a district Chief but appears to have been killed in the Civil War?? At any rate, he had married and they had several children who went by various surnames and one of those names was Grove/s. I’m not sure where he lived other than TN, MS & OK and I’m not sure why his children went by various surnames but they did. Clydene
Clydene wrote: I’m sure with intermarriages of different tribes, the languages mingled with words being interchanged.
Actually, the surprising thing is that there was no such tribe as the Powhattan. The English called Pocahontas’ father Powhattan and named the tribe Powhattan. In the Historical Society of Virginia at Richmond, I found a document that states that Pocahontas was Cherokee and it was written by Robt. Bolling who would have known for sure. The Powhatan Confederacy was a mixture of several tribes. NA linguistics is a new area for me so I can’t say whether Saponi, Cherokee or the language that Powhatan spoke was the same dialect. I just can’t seem to wrap my head around all the NA language groups so I’ll leave that to someone who knows better than me. I took a Choctaw Language class and convinced myself that I’d never live long enough to master anything but one word phrases…..ha ha. Clydene
some Recorded Saponi words was borrowed from the Powhatan…..and yes the tribe was named after the chief…I do not know exactly what it was called before powhatan. The Powhatan language was an Algonkian tongue, also known as Virginia Algonkian, once spoken by dozens of tribes in tidewater Virginia. how ever cherokee language was Iroquoian.
directly to the south of the Powhatan was the notoway then the mehherrin. To the north west you had the monacan…..to the south west you had the occaneechi and extremely next door to the occaneechi is the Saponi. Then to the North west of the Saponi you had the Tutelo. To the south west of the Tutelo you had the cherokee. to the north of the monacan you had the Manahoac.
Here is the history or Orange county.
The county was formed in 1752 from parts of Bladen County, Granville County, and Johnston County. It was named for the infant William V of Orange, whose mother Anne, daughter of King George II of Great Britain, was then regent of the Dutch Republic.
In 1771 Orange County was greatly reduced in area. The western part of it was combined with the eastern part of Rowan County to form Guilford County. Another part was combined with parts of Cumberland County and Johnston County to form Wake County. The southern part of what remained became Chatham County.
In 1777 the northern half of what was left of Orange County became Caswell County. In 1849 the western third of the still shrinking county became Alamance County. Finally, in 1881 the eastern half of the county’s remaining territory was combined with part of Wake County to form Durham County.
History of Hillsborough according to Wikipedia.
Native-American history
Local Native-American groups had lived in the Hillsborough area for thousands of years by the time European-American settlers discovered the area. Groups such as the Siouan, Occaneechi, and the Enos were some of the last Indians living in the Hillsborough area before they were displaced, with John Lawson‘s “Occaneechi Town” perhaps being visited in the area when he travelled through North Carolina in 1701. There are still remnants of these groups of people living in the area, mainly the Occaneechi-Saponis.
Hillsborough was founded in 1754, and was first owned, surveyed, and mapped by William Churton (a surveyor for Earl Granville). Originally to be named Orange, it was named Corbin Town (for Francis Corbin, a member of the governor’s council and one of Granville’s land agents), and renamed Childsburgh (in honor of Thomas Child, the attorney general for North Carolina from 1751-1760 and another one of Granville’s land agents) in 1759. It was not until 1766 that it was named Hillsborough, after the Earl of Hillsborough, the British secretary of state for the colonies and a relative of royal Governor Tryon’s.
Stokes county history:
The county was formed in 1789 from Surry County. It was named for John Stokes, an American Revolutionary War captain severely wounded when British Colonel Banastre Tarleton‘s cavalry practically destroyed Buford’s Virginia regiment in the Waxhaws region in 1780. After the war, Captain Stokes was appointed a judge of the United States district court for North Carolina. In 1849 the southern half of Stokes County became Forsyth County.
Surry county History:
The county was formed in 1771 from Rowan County. It was named for the county of Surrey in England, birthplace of William Tryon, Governor of North Carolina from 1765 to 1771.
In 1777 parts of Surry County and Washington District (now Washington County, Tennessee) were combined to form Wilkes County. The first permanent courthouse was established at Richmond in 1779, what is now the modern-day Old Richmond Township in Forsyth County near Donnaha. However, in 1789 the eastern half of Surry County became Stokes County, thus making the Richmond site unusable for either county. In 1790, the county seat was moved to Rockford where it remained for over half a century. In 1850 the half of the county’s remaining territory south of the Yadkin River became Yadkin County. The town of Dobson was established in 1853 to be the new county seat.
Rowan county history:
The county was formed in 1753 from the northern part of Anson County. It was named for Matthew Rowan, acting governor of North Carolina from 1753 to 1754.
Originally, Rowan County was a vast territory with an indefinite western boundary. Reductions in its extent began in 1770, when the eastern part of it was combined with the western part of Orange County to become Guilford County, North Carolina. In 1771 the northeastern part of what remained of Rowan County became Surry County. In 1777 the western part of Rowan County became Burke County. In 1788 the western part of the now much smaller Rowan County became Iredell County. In 1822 the eastern part of the still shrinking county became Davidson County. Finally, in 1836 the part of Rowan County north of the South Yadkin River became Davie County. The “250 Fest” celebrating the 250th anniversary of Rowan County occurred in 2003.
Granville county history:
The county was formed in 1746 from Edgecombe County. It was named for John Carteret, 2nd Earl Granville, who as heir to one of the eight original Lords Proprietors of the Province of Carolina, claimed one eighth of the land granted in the charter of 1665. The claim was established as consisting of approximately the northern half of North Carolina and this territory came to be known as the Granville District also known as Oxford.
In 1752 parts of Granville County, Bladen County, and Johnston County were combined to form Orange County. In 1764 the eastern part of Granville County became Bute County. Finally, in 1881 parts of Granville County, Franklin County, and Warren County were combined to form Vance County.
Edgecombe county history:
The county was formed in 1741 from Bertie County. It was named for Richard Edgcumbe, a Member of Parliament from 1701 to 1742 and a lord of the treasury, who became 1st Baron Edgcumbe in 1742.
In 1746 part of Edgecombe County became Granville County; in 1758 another part became Halifax County; in 1777 yet another part became Nash County. In 1855 the formation of Wilson County from parts of Edgecombe County, Johnston County, Nash County, and Wayne County reduced Edgecombe to its present dimensions, aside from minor boundary adjustments.
Edgecombe County was historically home to the Tuscarora Indians.Today there are many descendents of the Tuscarora still living in certain areas of the county.
Bertie county history:
The county was formed as Bertie Precinct in 1722 from the part of Chowan Precinct of Albemarle County lying west of the Chowan River. It was named for James Bertie, his brother Henry Bertie, or both, each having been one of the Lords Proprietors of Carolina.
In 1729 parts of Bertie Precinct, Chowan Precinct, Currituck Precinct, and Pasquotank Precinct of Albemarle County were combined to form Tyrrell Precinct. With the abolition of Albemarle County in 1739, all of its constituent precincts became counties. In 1741 parts of Bertie County became Edgecombe County and Northampton County. Finally, in 1759 parts of Bertie County, Chowan County, and Northampton County were combined to form Hertford County, and Bertie was reduced to its present size.
Rockingham county history:
The county was formed in 1785 from Guilford County. It was named for Charles Watson-Wentworth, 2nd Marquess of Rockingham, British Prime Minister from 1765 to 1766 and again in 1782.
Guilford county history:
The county was formed in 1771 from parts of Rowan County and Orange County. It was named for Francis North, 1st Earl of Guilford, father of Frederick North, Lord North, British Prime Minister from 1770 to 1782. The Quaker church played a major role in the European settlement of the county, and numerous Quakers still live in the county.
On March 15, 1781, the Battle of Guilford Court House was fought just north of present-day Greensboro between Generals Charles Cornwallis and Nathanael Greene during the American Revolution. This battle marked a key turning point in the Revolutionary War in the South. Although General Cornwallis, the British Commander, held the field at the end of the battle, his losses were so severe that he decided to withdraw to the Carolina and Virginia coastline, where he could receive reinforcements and his battered army could be protected by the British Navy. His decision ultimately led to his defeat later in 1781 at Yorktown, Virginia, by a combined force of American and French troops and warships.
In 1779 the southern third of Guilford County became Randolph County. In 1785 the northern half of its remaining territory became Rockingham County.
Due to the large number of Quakers living in Guilford, many of the county’s residents were opposed to slavery before the Civil War. The county was a stop on the famous Underground Railroad, which provided escaped slaves with a route to freedom in the North. Levi Coffin, one of the founders of the “railroad”, was a Guilford County native. He is credited with personally helping over 2,000 slaves escape to freedom before the war.
Beeleaf: Elisha Collins of Patrick County, VA; is that Elisha brother to David Collins 1750 or Elisha son of David 1750, or Elisha son of another Collins?
Elisha is reportedly son of William Collins. Research I have seen online has them coming from Albemarle County, but no documentation to back it up. I question it, because the Collins were already in Pittsylvania County (later becoming Henry/Patrick Co) while the Albemarle family was still in Albemarle. But, who knows.
and yes the tribe was named after the chief…I do not know exactly what it was called before powhatan.
“Chief”‘s name was Wahunsonacook. Seems that it was the village that was called Powhatan. Possibly how many “tribes” got their names.
Yeah! Both your wife and my husband should do their research. I can pull what little I have gathered on my hubbies family but I do remember that the Seminole connection is with Lilla Slaughter – the Grandmother – who married William Cannon in FL. They lived in Alauchua , County FL but stories go back to living in remote swamps areas.
Another thing noted, the Cannon Family has a rare bone disease – Pagets. My husband has it as well as one of his cousins. Doctors have not discovered what causes it but it is genetically passed and very rare with only less than 1% of the world’s population having it. Don’t know if it is an Anglo or Native American gene – most likely Anglo???
By the way, GA-NC Collins, thanks for all those great post on jurisdictions!
I have a copy of the Robert Bolling document and have always kept it as I thought it a profound statement that “Pocohantas was a Cherokee”. My 3rd ggmo, her descendant, was referred to as “Princess” in MO where she lived.
Clydene
My name is Teresa fleming and my gggg grandfather was Sherrod Williams Sr. I have lots of information on this line. I just got back from Oklahoma where I found some of my family, also connected to Sherrod. There is some confusion with some of the information that I have and what I have read. Hopefully we can figure some of it out. I will add info as I can. Sherrod Williams sr. married Mary Ann Looney…….. they had several children …..one of which was named Madison Johnson Williams, my ggg grandfather. Madison married Elizabeth w. Holland. They had several children one of which was Matt J Williams my gg grandpa. He married Cordelia Huddelston (Dink). They had a son named Lewis Johnson Williams who married Fannie Skidmore…… my g grandparents. Now Sherrod along with a lot of his family lived and are buried in Williams cove in franklin county tenn. My gg grandparents Matt and Dink are buried in Barnsdall Oklahoma where several of the lines lived…… and still live there. In some of my paper work, Sherrod and Polly had a son and named him Sherrod Williams im assuming a Jr. Now there is a Nancy also but she is listed under Sherrod Sr. in some of my paper work. I will have to double check this. Im also gonna check my paperwork for a Harden ……..I don’t recall his name but doesn’t mean he isn’t there somewhere……. theres lots of names. I will post more later have to get ready for work. Hope we can figure sone of this out.
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