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I think these tests are looking for traits that aren’t as fickle and subjective as “looks.” My impression is that they use markers that are consistent
Hello everyone,
I talked to one of the representatives with Genetree.com about the DNA test. I don’t understand it completely but they test for certain markers. If, for example, a “100%” Native American and a “100%” European have a child, the probability is that the child will test 50% of each parent. But, since each parent is 100%, it is theoritically possible for the child to inherit 100% from one parent only. This, however, is statistically almost impossible. In reality the child could very well test 49% and 51% although statistically less probable. Or the child could test 48% and 52% but this too is less probable. The fact is that their first child might test 50% and their next 48%/52% and their third 45%/55%. At some point, though, it becomes “statistically” impossible to vary further. This seems to be around 8% in their information. So in the preceeding example a child’s test might vary as much as 42% and 58% but it’s not very likely.
The point he made was that if your DNA shows a particular percentage, that’s what you are because that’s what you inherited. It also may not be exactly what you would be if you figure from the above example that you inherit exactly half, but it is very close.
Waquast Gensake,
Dan
I was reading a newspaper story about DNA tests, that in the future, we might all be taking them to determine the best mixture of medications for each of us. It indicated that with this information, some drugs that would be dangerous for individuals who were allergic to them, with the genetic information, might be mixed in such a way to be medically advantageous but not dangerous for these individuals. It also said that there was a danger to this, that people who did not want to know their ethnic ancestry could find it out with these tests. The kind of test was the same name as the kind that provides the ethnic percentages of people.
That being said, one of the criticisms of these tests is that they are determined by statistics. Another is that they have trouble differentiating among similar genetic markers.
My two cents worth. I had the test done and its results correlate with genealogy.
Techteach
Linda,
You mentioned that some of the Gray information came from a doctor in New York. Is this information available online or maybe in a book? So far I have found some of Thomas Gray’s descendants but some of the lines are incomplete. Also, do you know if Lady Jane Gray was a direct descendant?
Dan
Lady Jane Gray was a sister of one of our greatgrandfathers. Yes some info is online taking us back to Chillingham but not all the Grays are listed. Like I said through we came from Newsoms too so you are one of us. Go to rootsweb and put in Thomas Gray and Thomas the Ancient planter will come up just follow him backwards back to England and Chillingham. Or better yet put in Faith Gray and William Ruffin as her spouse and she will take you back just keep clicking on the fathers.
Linda
quest for facts wrote: LoneWolf,
I am a Gray descendent too. I have some info on this famiy if you’d like it. They were from the part of Surry County that is now Southampton County. So if you are looking for them before Southampton became a County look in Surry. They once lived in Charles City County too. Thomas Gray the first here came in 1608 he is an Ancient Planter he survived the Massacre of Good Friday 1622 by hiding on an island in the James River so the story goes. I have heard he was warned by friendly indians. There are Turner/Grays that are members of the Cheroenhaka tribe. Good searching to you. It does appear many more of my lost relatives are appearing on Saponitown. It seems to me the Nottoway People are coming out of the woodwork by leaps and bounds. This is good very good!
Linda
Someone was looking for Gray’s…thought I’d bring this back, may be of some help??
loanwolf my gratefather willie d gray his he part of your grays whare can i fimd proof they are nottoway tribe i was born southamption co in newsomes my gmother mimmie gray lassiter daughter of willie d gray thanks Carol d Davis
Carol B. Davis wrote: loanwolf my gratefather willie d gray his he part of your grays whare can i fimd proof they are nottoway tribe i was born southamption co in newsomes my gmother mimmie gray lassiter daughter of willie d gray thanks Carol d Davis
my grandmother married charles f lassiter possible cherokee chowan i am looking info can you help thanks c b davis
Lone Wolf,
I read this whole thread when brought here by today’s posts. Next while searching ‘Fontaine’ here, that I’m currently studying, I found the 2nd qoute below. I wonder if the General Johnson with an Indian wife and Indian sons might have any connection to your Johnsons. I assume Peter Fontaine was in the Fort Christianna area based on the 3rd quote below. I haven’t looked into General Johnson. It mentions 5 Nations. I don’t know how that could connect. Just thought I should show you this.
Lone Wolf wrote: Bill,
Thanks. I’m looking for those names now on Ancestry.com. Also, my father’s father’s mother was Martha Johnson and she was born in 1841. I mention her because of the name Johnson. She is listed in the 1850 census in Southampton County and it shows her mother to be Mary Johnson who was born @ 1815. The 1850 census shows them living in the St. Lukes Parish. The Nottoway Reservation was also in this Parish according to Walt “Red Hawk” Brown, Chief of the Chereonhaka and he says this could be an important clue. It’s unusual though that the head of the household is Parker Vick who is 5 years younger than Mary Johnson. He is shown in the 1870 Hertford North Carolina census as being married to or living with a Sallie, not Mary. But the interesting thing is he is listed as white but it looks like the “W” was corrected from an “M’ or Mulatto. That’s all the info I could find on her but if you or anyone else recognizes their names, please let me know. I would love to associate a name with a specific tribe.
Again, many thanks,
Dan
stacey.23 wrote: Fontaine, Peter. “Letters of the Rev. Peter Fontaine of Westover, Virginia”: p. 233-355. Maury, Ann. Memoirs of a Huguenot Family: Translated and compiled from the original autobiography of the Rev. James Fontaine, and other Family Manuscripts; Comprising an original Journal of Travels in Virginia, New York, Etc, in 1715 and 1716. New York. Geo. P. Putnam & Co. 1853. 512 pgs. <http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=BookList&dbid=15721&ti=0>
From a letter of Peter Fontaine’s addressed to “Dear Brother Moses” on March 30th, 1757, pages 349 – 351
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…Now, to answer your first query – whether by our breach of treaties we have not justly exasperated the bordering nations of Indians against us, and drawn upon ourselves the barbarous usage we meet with from them and the French? To answer this fully would take up much time. I shall only hint at some things which we ought to have done, and which we did not do at our first settlement amongst them, and which we might have learnt long since from the practice of our enemies the French. I am persuaded we were not deficient in the observation of treaties, but as we got the land by concession, and not by conquest, we ought to have intermarried with them, which would have incorporated us with them effectually, and made of them stanch friends, and, which is of still more consequence, made many of them good Christians; but this our wise politicians at home put an effectual stop to at the beginning of our settlement here, for when they heard that John Rolfe had married Pocahontas, it was deliberated in Council, whether he had not committed high treason by so doing, that is, marrying an Indian Princess; and had not some troubles intervened which put a stop to the inquiry, the poor man might have been hanged up for doing the most just, the most natural, the most generous and polite action that ever was done this side of the water. This put an effectual stop to all intermarriages afterwards. Our Indian traders have indeed their squaws, alias whores, at the Indian towns where they trade, but leave their offspring like bulls or boards to be provided for at random by their mothers. As might be expected, some of these bastards have been the leading men or war-captains that have done us so much mischief. This ill-treatment was sufficient to create jealousy in the natural man’s breast, and made the Indians look upon us as false and deceitful friends, and cause all our endeavors to convert them to be ineffectual. But here methinks I can hear you observe, What! Englishmen intermarry with Indians? But I can convince you that they are guilty of much more heinous practices, more unjustifiable in the sight of God and man (if that, indeed, may be called a bad practice), for many base wretches amongst us take up with negro women, by which means the country swarms with mulatto bastards, and these mulattoes, if but three generations removed from the black father or mother, may by the indulgence of the laws of the country, intermarry with the white people, and actually do every day so marry. Now, if, instead of this abominable practice which hath polluted the blood of many amongst us, we had taken Indian wives in the first place, it would have made them some compensation for their lands. They are a free people, and the offspring would not be born in a state of slavery. We should become rightful heirs to their lands, and should not have smutted our blood, for the Indian children when born are as white as Spaniards or Portuguese, and were it not for the practice of going naked in the summer and besmearing themselves with bears’ grease, &c., they would continue white; and had we thought fit to make them our wives, they would readily have complied with our fashion of wearing clothes all the year round; and by doing justice to these poor benighted heathen, we should have introduced Christianity amongst them. Your own reflections upon these hints will be a sufficient answer to your first query. I shall only add that General Johnson’s success was owing, under God, to his fidelity to the Indians, and his generous conduct to his Indian wife, by whom he hath several hopeful sons, who are all war-captains, the bulwarks with him of the five nations, and loyal subjects to their mother country…
Stacey
Stacey
stacey.23 wrote: Fontaine, Peter, Jun. “Letters of the Peter Fontaine, Jun. of Rock Castle, Hanover County, Virginia”: p. 356-377. Maury, Ann. Memoirs of a Huguenot Family: Translated and compiled from the original autobiography of the Rev. James Fontaine, and other Family Manuscripts; Comprising an original Journal of Travels in Virginia, New York, Etc, in 1715 and 1716. New York. Geo. P. Putnam & Co. 1853. 512 pgs. <http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=BookList&dbid=15721&ti=0>
I am posting this because of the map that was included with it, which I will email to Linda. The letter “B” designates “Christanna Fort, now deserted.”
From a letter of Peter Fontaine Junior’s addressed to “Mr. John Fontaine” dated Lunenburg, Virginia, 9th July, 1752, pages 356 – 359.
Stacey
sammarroq wrote: Someone was looking for Gray’s…thought I’d bring this back, may be of some help??
my gfather willie david gray mygrandmother minnie gray willie daughter all of southamption co are they of they of the nottoway tribe do you have proof i want to apply for membership to the nottoway tribe but need proof thanks c b davis
Carol B. Davis wrote: my gfather willie david gray mygrandmother minnie gray willie daughter all of southamption co are they of they of the nottoway tribe do you have proof i want to apply for membership to the nottoway tribe but need proof thanks c b davis
can someone help me with this
Have you talked to anyone with the Nottoway? We don’t really know about Nottoway families, that’s not specifically what we research here. The nottoway site is at http://www.cheroenhaka-nottoway.org.
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