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Hi forum friends…
I just discovered that Jeffreys are connected to memucan Hunt and Mary Wade..didn’t know that Mary Jeffreys a daughter of Osborn Jeffreys married John Hunt son of Memucan and Mary…but there is a web site that has a map and lots and lots of names and info…
on tar river neighbors. Info on NC and Va and lots of names I have seen on the forum…http://www.andyblackard.com/HTML/EarlyBlackard/Neighborhoods/1778Tar_River_Neighbors.html or I got to it by just typing in simon Jeffreys va. Some of you may have seen this website before but I had not.. and the main index of virginia and north carolina genealogical exchange has lots of family lines..
Though this might be helpful. Sue J
That last was not typed in right.
Here goes…
http://www.andyblackard.com/HTML/EarlyBlackard/Neighborhoods/1778Tar_River_Neighbors.html
Hope this works. Sue J
Hey, that link does not work..after typing it in a second time it does not work…but I did get to it by typing in simon jeffreys va on Yahoo. Lots of into there…Sue J
I’m interested in Osborne Jeffreys and neighbors in that area, so I tried to find the site you mentioned. This link worked when I Googled; guess it remains to be seen if it works off the forum page. Anyway, the site is still up, on the web.
http://www.andyblackard.com/HTML/EarlyBlackardNeighborhoods/1778Tar_River_Neighbors.html
Thank You so so much!
I don’t know why it didn’t work for me.
The Robert Allen in this is brother to my Joseph. Allen girls marry the Hudsons. Elizabeth married John Hudson and Susannah married William. Father of both is Isaac born in Amelia co Va.
The Jeffreys and Eatons connect. What is your interest in Osborne? Ken and Becky are working on Cameron Plantation project..thanks for getting this to work.
Sue J
“The Jeffreys and Eatons connect. What is your interest in Osborne?”
I suppose, at it’s simplest, I want to know why I had a grgr-uncle Osborne. Can’t take the time to organize it well enough to post, right now. But in general, I think this Tar River (Cedar Creek) neighborhood in the SW corner of present Franklin County NC is one of those diaspora enclaves Forest Hazel has written about (areas to which some number of households with Saponi heritage moved — as a group, or to join a group).
And I may have a better map of it than the one Andy Blackard’s site illustrates. (Larger scale, much smaller area.) I haven’t yet figured out how to post pictures here, and I’m not sure about the copyright issues — will have to excavate my map and see from what source I xeroxed it. Feel free to PM me, I do know how to send a file attachment in email. It will take a few days, we have a house guest and a concert to play.
PappyDick,
The only way to send pictures to here is to go through Linda. She has to place them on here.
Thanks for your response. I think more light will be shed on this area. May be an enclave..there were several.
There are several other Simon and Osborn Jeffreys related, stemming from the earlier ones.
When you have time, have you placed your surnames on here before or any deadends you have? Was your Osborn from this same area?
Sue J
“have you placed your surnames on here before?”
No, but I’m not trying to be secretive or anything; my name is Hulan, and the family I find associated with many others on this board is that one. Spelled many, many ways. The guy who was on Cedar Creek was often spelled Thomas Huland. In Heinegg’s world he’s a free African, spelled Huelin, I think. Before he moved to Tar River (about 1747, following Osborne Jeffreys I believe) he had land on Corduroy Swamp, south of the Meherrin River (but in Northampton Co. NC), kind of near Emporia, VA. That was in 1742 (before which, I believe, all known records of the family were in VA). The late lamented Ft. Christanna was also near there, a generation earlier. Sometime along in there, I think he lived with Aquilla Snelling, though that may not have been the same person, I don’t have the record before me. Anyway, one of our males.
After moving, neighbors on Cedar Creek besides Jeffreys included Bass, Chavis, Taylor, Pope, and perhaps others found on this forum. Another related family there was that of Ambrose Crane (Crain); don’t know if they were also Other Free, but they were kin to the Hulans and the Taylors. After about 1774, I think the enclave broke up; some (including some Loyalist, Royalist or Tory members of these families) moved to the Catawba areas of SC. Some moved to Wilkes Co. NC. My bunch moved to Rowan Co. (and Randolph, Davies, or whatever is adjacent) and then, many of us, to Knox, Anderson, and Davidson Counties in TN. Most spelled the name Huling, when they moved — and many still do.
My grgrgrandfather Jonathan Hulan was a M(ulatto) in the 1850 census of Davidson County TN, having moved there about 1845 from southern Rowan Co. NC. He (and wife Eliza Trexler) had a son Osborne. He also left a closely related Osborne Hulin back in NC. So I’m fairly sure the Thomas Huland who followed Osborne Jeffreys around was Jonathan’s grandfather, but haven’t proved it, and don’t have the wives’ names. From 1860 to the present, Jonathan and his descendants have been white.
The enclave on Tar River (circa 1747-74) is found variously in Granville, Bute and Franklin Counties — and maybe Warren, or anyhow the records ended up there — without actually moving. They kept changing the name of the local government.
Oh, and the part of the family that didn’t move down to Granville Co. (Wm. Eaton’s land? I don’t know, but it was his militia unit in 1754) had a Hilliard Hulin (Hewlin, whatever), found mostly in Halifax Co. NC. Osborne Jeffreys’ half-brother was Wm. Hilliard.
I’m not making a distinction here of which Osborne is which; this is off the top of my head, but some of you who don’t have guests in your spare room can probably figure it out, if it bothers you.
This is all very interesting! Thanks PappyDick.
The more info we have the better. I wonder about the people that may have “followed Osborn Jeffreys around” sticking with him.
I’m curious as to how Wm. Hilliard is a half-brother to Osborn Jeffreys. Hilliards marry into the Hunt’s.
Sue J
Just answered my own question.
Elizabeth Pottle (Pokle) was married to John Hillard…son William before she married Simon Jeffreys…son Osborn..makes them half brothers.
Sue J
I am looking for information about the Drew family. I know they intermarried with the Guys, Jeffries, and Stewarts. Benjamin Drew married a Morning Jeffries (Jeffreys). Have you come across any information about the Drew family?
I don’t know about the Drew family; this message supplements what I have previously posted on this thread about a hypothetical enclave on the Tar River — specifically Cedar Creek. The enclave (if there was one) would be in the left central part of the following map.
https://saponitown.com/forums/wp-content/uploads/vb/images/pappy-dick-map.jpg
This is a detail from a map drawn in 1967 by Panthea Anne Twitty and Panthea M. Twitty, showing the part of the Tar River watershed found in present Franklin County, NC (and discussed in this thread). It is especially useful for locating land grants, deeds, etc. from the colonial period. There is no copyright notice on the map as found in Mary Hinton Kerr, Warren County, North Carolina Records, Vol. III: Abstracts of Will Books, 1779-1814. Users of the map should note the several tick marks with latitude and longitude indicators, perhaps useful if you have a GPS unit.
Mrs. Kerr’s genealogical notes, etc. are now catalogued as Manuscript Collection #768, the Mary Hinton Kerr Collection, Special Collections Department, J. Y. Joyner Library, East Carolina University, Greenville, North Carolina, USA. They were placed there by the Hon. John H. Kerr, III, a Goldsboro attorney and NC State Senator.
What Heinegg has to say about my family (found, for two or three decades, in this Tar River community) may be read at the following link, by scrolling down to “Hulin Family”:
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Haws_Hurst.htm
I disagree with his stated rationale for assuming that this family was African American in its earliest instances of being listed as “black” or “mulatto.” Be that as it may, they were clearly darker than some of their neighbors. Several of the families near them on Tar River are represented elsewhere on this forum as being of Saponi descent, whether also of African descent or not. I intend to post some of those other names, found primarily on deeds. That will be in a later message. Rome wasn’t built in a day, and neither was Saponitown.
Pappydick,
I don’t remember if we have discussed this surname before or not on Saponitown, but in case you are interested, Shoemaker is one of the surnames I have seen in the cemetery where my mixed ancestors are buried, including my direct ancestor with the Blackfoot ID.
I don’t know that those Shoemakers are related to me, but since a great deal of the folks in that cemetery are related to me, I just thought I would mention it. There are certain surnames that have become red flags to me and it is one of them.
Techteach
Getting back to the subject of Sue’s thread, the Jeffreys family and their Tar River neighbors — I’ll input a few names, mainly from deed abstracts, most of which were compiled and published (not all in the same book) by Mary Hinton Kerr, who is cited in post #13 above.
I haven’t really tried to find Col. Osborne Jeffreys’ neighbors, except casually, when I was exploring William Eaton’s militia list of 1754. It appeared to me (from thumbing through these deed abstracts) that the close neighbors of Jeffreys on Tar River were those numbered 21 through 25: Robert Morgan, Isaac Winston, William White, John Green, and Thomas Huland.
18 June 1753, John Hewlin and William White were sworn chain carriers (SCC) on the survey of 420 a. in Granville Co. on Frank’s Branch of Cedar Cr., adjacent to Osbain Jeffreys, for John Pope of Edgecombe Co. NC.
9 Dec. 1755, Thos. Hulin SCC on survey of 557 a. in Granville Co. on Brandy Cr. for Robert Morgan.
19 May 1760, Wm. Hulin and James Bitty SCC on survey of 335 a. in Granville Co. on south side of Cedar Cr. for Thomas Hulin. (Thos. Person, surveyor.)
19 July 1760, William Hulin and Edward Hulin SCC on survey of 700 a. in Granville Co. on Cabbin Branch near the Poplar Spring, Megee’s line, Morgan’s, Winston’s, [Thos.] Hulin’s, Green’s, Ray’s Creek, [Osborne] Jeffreys’ line, for Thomas Person.
[Note that Heinegg has Thomas Hulin in the household of Aquilla Snelling, during this period. I have not established where Snelling lived, at the time, and have not proved that the references are to the same Thomas, but that is Heinegg’s assumption and I have no evidence to dispute it.]
4 Feb. 1765, ref. to John Pope’s land adj. [Thos.] Hewlin, in old Bute Co. Deed Bk. 1.
19 Feb. 1766, Thomas Huland, planter, to Osborn Jeffreys, planter, both of Bute Co. 47 pounds Virginia money for 413 a. in Bute Co., south side of Cedar Cr., up Ray’s Cr. and Beaver Dam Branch, adj. said Thomas Huland and William Bass. 100 a. of this land bought 16 Feb. 1759 from Thomas Ray, dec’d, and the remainder part of a 613 a. Earl Granville grant to Thos. Huland, 12 Nov. 1760. [From another source, I have a note that this grant was dated 17 Sept. 1754, was surveyed 19 May 1760, and the plat of that survey is extant. 12 Nov. 1760 would be the entry date.]
20 Jan. 1791, Samson Bass of Franklin Co. to Job Selff [i.e. Senff] of same for 100 pounds, a tract of 100 a. on south bank of Cedar Cr. and on the Beaver Dam Branch, it being part of a tract which Thos. Hulin formerly granted to William Bass by deed and William Bass to Samson Bass. (Franklin Co. DB 7, p. 168. A little later, pp. 170 and 172, part of Thomas Person’s former land is also sold by Samson Bass and purchased by Job Senff; it is bordered on the east by “Col. Jeffrey’s” land.)
I have other references to Hutchins (perhaps called Hutcherson elsewhere, or else that is a different one), Shemuel Kearn, McGee/McGehee, Richard Williams (blacksmith), Morgan, and Mitchell as neighboring landowners. Ambrose Crane (mentioned in a previous post) seems to have lived across Cedar Creek (north side), but also had holdings on the south side adjacent to Jeffreys. Some of these people were later neighbors in the eastern part of Wilkes Co. NC, on Hunting Creek.
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