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I know names were at the mercy of the census takers, some of which didn’t care if they got people’s names correct. 🙁
As for what you were saying about Mariah Gash, do you have a woman by the name of Moriah Cash in your family tree, from the Brevard, NC area? And, do you think that my Mariah Gash could be your Moriah Cash? Is that what you’re suggesting?
I couldn’t really tell what you were trying to say from reading that part of your post, sorry. 😮
And, I’m guessing Flatt River is in the Brevard area? Never heard of it, then again there was a lot of stuff around here I’d never heard of, too. LOL.
Bill,
I found out what my g-grandma Myrtle’s maiden name was. It was Sloan. She and my g-granpa Rush Griffin got married on Dec. 4, 1915.
I had business across the street from the Greenville County Offices (they’re all in one building), so I mosied on over to the marriage license division and looked them up. I didn’t have to use the microfilm reader to get her maiden name, it was logged in this huge book (I looked under Rush’s name). But, I looked up the license and made a copy from the microfilm so I would have it for my records. Cost me 50 cents, :).
Just thought I would add my few cents in here.
I recently discovered my Mary ROARK Collins was descendant of Aaron BROCK line. Aaron Brock aka Chief Redbird ; through his son Jessie and Rebecca HOWARD ; through their daughter Barthena Brock who married Thomas SLONE/SLOAN.
Thanks for replying! Where did they live? I still don’t know exactly where my g-grandma was from. I know she was living in Greenville, and like I posted earlier, her dad lived in Durham and placed a newspaper ad to find her here. I have no idea what that’s about, LOL.
I think it’s time I took another trip to the library. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Brenda Collins Dillon
Just thought I would add my few cents in here.
I recently discovered my Mary ROARK Collins was descendant of Aaron BROCK line. Aaron Brock aka Chief Redbird ; through his son Jessie and Rebecca HOWARD ; through their daughter Barthena Brock who married Thomas SLONE/SLOAN.
THOMAS1 SLONE was born 1770 in Ireland, and died 1852 in Clay County, Kentucky. He married BARTHENA BROCK Bef. 1800, daughter of JESSE BROCK and REBECCA HOWARD. She was born 1775 in Cumberland County, Virginia, and died 1843 in Clay County, Kentucky
Notes for THOMAS SLONE:
Last name could be spelled Sloan also
Thomas died by drowning. The story is told that one day Thomas left with an axe on his shoulder to cut wood and didn’t return home for seven years. When he came home Theny asked where he had been and he said he was visiting kin folk back in Ireland.
Sounds like one of my sons,when he was a teenager he borrowed my car to go to the store…didn’t return for three days.
:rolleyes:
LOL. People do the craziest things!
I’m getting ready to head down to the main library now. Hopefully, with a last name for Myrtle, I’ll be able to uncover some info.
I’d better go now while the sun’s out. It’s rained here for a couple of days, and I don’t want to miss out on some rays :).
Rosalind says>>>> As for what you were saying about Mariah Gash, do you have a woman by the name of Moriah Cash in your family tree, from the Brevard, NC area? And, do you think that my Mariah Gash could be your Moriah Cash? Is that what you’re suggesting?
Sorry about the confusion, that was directed to Bill and I didn’t elaborate because he was familiar with the significance of the place Moriah (15 miles north of Durham, NC) and the surname CASH in that area and timeframe. Flat River is an arm of the Neuse River with it’s headwaters in Person Co. From the coming of Old Tom Collin’s group in the mid 1700s until the present, the area is a “hotbed” of triracials, a cluster, if you prefer.
My other reference was to the practice of Indians and freemen taking the surname …or variation thereof, …. of well-known or well-liked eurosettlers.
Rosalind,
I did find a Myrtle Sloan in 1910 Greenville Co., SC, but the age is just too far off to accept on the face of it ……
ED18, Greenville Twp, p.1A, at 853 Burnes (?) Street, at 3, 3:
Sloan, Katie; Laundress, MU, f, 24; Widowed, SC, SC, SC.
(ditto), MRTLE; dau; MU, f, 10; SC, SC, SC.
I’ll look for another one in 1910. Trying to isolate a “Katie Sloan” in 1900 was unsuccessful.
Dreaminghawk:
You’re right. I did think about CASH and even looked for any in Oconee SC and Transylvania NC (next door counties) but didn’t find any in 1850 or 1860 that equated to the GASH names I had.
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Bill
May not have thought along those lines but we found a whole family of GATES buried in the plot with CATES at one of the churches we visited yesterday.
We have also found half a dozen women named Moriah or Mariah in flat river township born during early to mid 1800s.
Bill,
I was able to find the same information. But, I checked the other years and didn’t find anything, anywhere. It’s like they just disappeared. :confused:
All I can think is that maybe the census taker misunderstood what Katie told him, or just guestimated their ages. :rolleyes:
Anyway, it’s looking like I’m going to have to send off to Columbia for Myrtle’s death certificate. I don’t know how accurate this will be, but the historian at the county library said that the death certs have the parent’s names on them.
Anyway, it’s a lot cheaper than sending off $27 for the social security card application.
One other thing I don’t understand… That 1910 census (if it’s true, but just grossly inaccurate) says that Katie was widowed. This doesn’t fit what I was told. Myrtle’s father tracked her down through a newspaper ad or something. If he was dead, this wouldn’t have happened. Unless her mother remarried and another man raised her.
I don’t know. I’m more confused and more anxious now than I was before.
Divorce, in most areas in those days, carried a large stigma.
You see a lot of “Widowed” on census records in the early 1900s and some of these are probably just “divorced”. Alternately, the father who was looking for her could have been a step-father as you suggested.
If Katie Sloan is Myrtle’s mother, you’ll probably have to track down Katie’s marriage too – her birth year will make it impossible to find her on a census record earlier than 1900 (I didn’t find her then) since the 1890 census was burned in a warehouse fire.
It’s possible that the age shown for Mrtle/Myrtle in 1910 and 1920 is incorrect. I tend to think the 1930 age is closer to the truth. It matches up better with the childrens’ ages versus the “married at 24” listed for her, but that could be incorrect, too.
A death cert would help for comparison purposes, however that info is certainly second-hand. Think her family at the time would know all about her? When my GG- grandfather George died, his oldest son John supplied the death cert info. John listed his mother’s mother as his father’s mother and John didn’t know where George’s parents were born. I could make excuses for John’s confusion since both of his grandmother’s were sisters 🙂 but I would have thought that should have made the info even more reliable. Another example of info “etched in stone” being incorrect – my father’s gravestone has an incorrect date of birth on it versus his birth certificate ! Who would have “thunk”.
So, it’s better to have as much info about a person as you can get.
Bill
Rosalind,
Isn’t it amazing how people feel a need to classify race??
Growing up, my school mates used to frequently ask me what nationality I was (American). No, no, I mean where are your ancestors from (Kentucky). Then of course, when I told them I had Native American ancestry they wanted to know what tribe, as if I couldn’t be Indian if I didn’t know the tribe. Then of course, after telling them I was Blackfoot I was told that my ancestors couldn’t be from Kentucky, but had to have come from out west.
Very annoying!
When I look around Southewestern Ohio as an adult I realize how different I really do look from all the German descendants here. Growing up I didn’t have a clue how different I was.
My family was also nearly kicked out of a restaurant in Florida about 1964 (I was three). They were not one bit happy to have us there, but since I was a blond haired baby, they weren’t real sure just what to do about us. We got a lot of stares and grumbling but fortunately they left us alone.
Bill,
So much has happened since the last time I posted! There’s too much to tell all in one post, so I’ll give you the highlights.
I learned my g-grandmother Gertrude Gash (my g-father Samuel’s mother) just died back in January. She was 108 years old! I had to hunt down Gertrude’s obit through the Hendersonville (NC) Times-News’ website, but I found it. It gave some valuable information.
My aunt, Gertrude’s granddaughter, didn’t have the number to any of her cousins, and calling information for numbers turned into a dead end. So, in a last ditch effort, I called the church listed in the obit, and found out that my g-grandmother was the “church mother” and that a lot of my relatives went to that church. And, the minister I spoke to told me that they had videos, and things, of my g-grandmother and that they’d make copies for us, so we could get to see how she looked and spoke, etc.. And, of course, he wants us to visit the family church.
The minister was so helpful, and he gave me the number to one of my g-grandmother’s nieces and told me to call her. So I did. Turns out that this woman’s mother was my g-grandmother’s sister, and therefore my cousin, so I was speaking to a relative from my g-grandmother’s “maiden” Orr family. Now, I don’t have to track them down, next. She said she was looking forward to meeting me and my cousins, etc…
This cousin gave me the phone number of my other cousin who is a granddaughter of Gertrude’s, and who lived with her and took care of her. When I called, she was happy to hear from me, and said she had so much information, and pictures, for me.
I’m driving up to Brevard (actually Pisgah Forest) on Wednesday (only about an hour away) to meet this cousin, who just so happens to be on vacation this whole week.
This is so amazing! One week ago, I had no idea who these people were, or how to get in touch with them, and today I have two whole sides of the family to meet!
That IS amazing ! I’m happy you found your family !
Please let me know if Katie and Myrtle on that census turn out to be yours.
Bill
Bill, I sure will let you know what else I find out about Myrtle. It’s seeming like she’s going to be difficult to track down.
I got a 2-week trial subscription to Ancestry.com so I can search through their census records since the local library hasn’t implemented access from outside the library yet (but they’re working on it).
Maybe I’ll find some new info since I’ll be searching from the comfort of home and not pressed for time… Anyhoo, I’ll definitely keep you posted.
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