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For what it’s worth some of my family moved into Knox county Indiana during the depression era or earlier, I have not checked it out but I’d say that it was inherited land, Iam checking but Iam not sure what I will find!
Hello…
I’m new on board here. How interesting! I wasn’t certain, but I had to retrace where I had heard about the Battle of Tippecanoe and Chief Tecumseh. Not to put a political spin on this, but it would go hand in hand with why the Indians were scattered throughout the U.S., anyway, Dick Gregory mentions this battle and Chief briefly in his book entitled “Callus on My Soul: A Memoir,” page 163.
Gregory speaks briefly on the Chief placing a curse on William Henry Harrison, which begun in 1811, as he laid dying in the field in the battle of 1813; and was noted as the “White man’s curse.” It promised any president elected on a zero year would die in office. The curse pretty much has been true to its word. I’ll leave it at that.
So much has been taken from the Indians and so here I am trying to put pieces together to figure out who I am and of what people my blood runs from or is mingled with. I live in Baltimore, Maryland and for the years that my dad was alive, he mentioned that his grandmother, Martina Molock was Blackfoot, and that is all I know.
Without having the actual facts, I would venture to say that I have the percentage of blood to claim my heritage as an Indian, tribe unknown, but without the noted facts, it will lie dormant until I can piece together my bloodline.
The other dead end is my mother’s mom Jospehine Holland-Hammond who without the facts, appears to have features of an Indian mixed, perhaps mulatto mixed. My gut feeling says Cherokee. Here again, I at hit a snag and dead end. Would be nice to know the truth. However, the only plus is that I found my mother’s real father, Robert Moss, though no DNA to prove, only the Moss square jaw line, three of us, mom included, has the infamous Moss square jaw line. The Moss family hailed from England (if my Fibro Fog memory is right) and landed at Jamestown, VA, and thus began the new life into the Annapolis, MD. by way of the Severn River. So, here we are…
If I can help anyone with info on the Moss family, in what I have in my hands by way of family genealogy facts, I’ll try.
Welcome to my little corner of the forum, LindyLuu. I don’t have Moss in my line, but I do have DeMoss. They were in Licking County, Ohio with most of the group and follow them to Iowa. One married the brother (possibly half-brother, according to Bill) to my gggrandmother, Mary Lovina Potter. Several are buried in the cemetery with my gggrandmother who was a full-blood Blackfoot. The story in the family is Cherokee, but the locations don’t coincide with Cherokee. Some WERE also near yours in MD. I have found a one or two folks in my line near Blackfoot Town.
Anyway, if you bump into a DeMoss in your stuff, pass it my way. I figure it is simply a version of Moss.
Techteach
Thank you for the welcome. I will keep your request in mind on the DeMoss surname. It’s been a while since I laid eyes on these papers. I have to step back so I am not overwhelmed by all this. I’ll look it over and post what I have.
howdy Linda
My mother was Louise and I have a sister named Linda Louise. Some of Moms relatives used to call her “Louzy”. So I’m farmiliar with your name. 🙂
Recently I made a few posts about the Monacan, with the help of another poster. I’ll try to find them again, I think htey are in the History thread on this forum. The Monacan were in Rockbridge and Amherst Counties in Virginia by the 1750s. They had been there originally, but moved around a lot for a cetury or so and then aparently returned there. One principle surname of theirs was “Moss”. I’ll try and find that. I’d like to know more about Blackfoot Town Maryland, myself.
These Monocan were once called “Buffalo Ridge Cherokee” by an anthropologist even tho they had no connection whatsoever to the Cherokee, and the Cherokee themselves objected to these people being called Cherokee. There were/are a great many groups East of the Mississippi called “Cherokee” who probably have no Cherokee blood at all. The Cheroee have always objected to this practice, and people argue over this on the internet all the time with some arguments more civil than others. The Cherokee have always said those isolated groups in the Southern Appalachions that have been called “Cherokee” are not Cherokee and are probably from other tribes that settled there. The more i look into it the more I think they are right.
To my knowledge, the surnames you mention ar not Cherokee surnames.
The Cherokee are from SW NC, E Tn, NE Al, and NW Ga. There is no reason to suspect Cherokee ancestry unless you can trace an ancestor to this region before 1838. Cherokee were wre a very powerful tribe and were warriors, and during wartime can be found in Ohio and Florida, even Southern Indiana — but they always returned to their homes and families in NC, Tn, Ga and Al. — before 1795. Just about veryone who has tried to claim otherwise has been pretty much proven to be in error.
After about 1794 or so some Cherokee did migrate to SE Mo, Central Arkansas and NE Tx, and after 1828 most of these (except the Tx band, most of whom had left Texas by 1843) went to Oklahoma, then called Indian Territory. Most Cherokee in Mo left about 1811 and went to Arkansas. If your ancestors were not in these locations they most likely were not Cherokee, unless they married outside the Cherokee Nation and left the Cherokee Nation.
Vance
Vance,
Thanks for the information. It helps solidify information that I found making me think that at least part of my folks were Monacan. I did not know that Moss was a Monacan name. I just recently found info that placed them where my Greens were. And the info about the Buffalo Ridge Cherokee helps explain the family story. I have heard the Cherokee story from 3 different descendents of the Sinkey/Ralston line who only know one another from online genealogy study. I can trace one name to Rockbridge County, and Stacey helped me find that that group came north from near my Martinsburg, WVA bunch.
Techteach
Techteach,
I have truly missed you lady!:) Long time huh? I was reading through this and don’t recall ever having pulled it up and read it before. Some how I had missed it.
LindyLuu,
Hey! It’s good to see you and have you here! Have you been here long? I’ve been out…..shopping…yeah, that’s it!;)
Tech.,
I’m so glad you are still here. Love & Light, Lynella.
Cindy, Linda Lou —
http://www.monacan-cherokee.com/moss.txt
the above website lists some of the Mosses who are Monacan.
Lynella —
good to hear from you. Many of us feel guilty that ANYONE quit posting — I hope everyone who left will return.
If it’s any consolation, there were 2 ocasions when I quit posting thinking I’d never return — “never” in this instance turned out to be a temporal anomoly with a finite value . . . so either I changed the definition of “never” — or I was wrong. 🙂
vance
L:
I didn’t leave, but I may go through spells of no posting. I read but may have nothing to say. Glad you are back.
Vance, thanks for the list. I see a couple of other names that I see several times when looking at my family, Chaney and Smith. The Rickerts come from Pittslyvania County and intermarry with the Cheneys, much to the dismay of her father, but I don’t know the reason why. This is the line that my Sinkeys live near and intermarry with in PA and IA.
Techteach
Our people in Indiana is kind of a side interest for me, I happen to have a great effection for Tecumseh, especially after my mom “accidentally’ drove past it on a family vacation one year and I made her stop (And when I say Accident it was like, Hey mom whats that? stop the CAR! Tippicanoe is litterally in the Middle of miles of Cornfields and there is nothing in site). The Lakotas were in Indiana at one point, and unfortunetly almost anything Indian related in Indiana is marked only by the usual roadside marker. I am not going to give serious detail about it, but there is a Sundance Ceremony there, it did not start based on a whim, it is the land of our Ancestors.
By the way LOL the stat is called INDIAN-A um yea we definetly were there
Christina:
Lots of us on this forum have a tie to Indiana. My Sinkey ancestor from PA had a son who married a Mayfield. They went to Indiana before they made it to Iowa. They lived on the edge of reservations wherever they went.
A story in our family is that a niece of Tecumseh married one of the members of a side line, i.e. she would be some kind of cousin-in-law.
Techteach
(tee-hee) chuckling…I am not sure how and where “LindyLuu” came to be a favorite name I use even for my canning jars: “Fresh from LindyLuu’s Garden” (tee-hee)…
Thanks for greeting and info…
If I am not mistaken, there was a Josephine Holland listed as a Cherokee that I found after the fact…I found the info in a LDS site in Roanoke, VA. This could possibly be my Josephine, though I am not for certain. The reason I say so is because the story is that Grandmother Josephine was adopted according to my Mom who gets me all confused about the is “she or isn’t she related to Eliza (Aunt Phine), Albert and Alexis,” and she can’t remember the last Uncle’s name. It was either Ellis, Alec or something sounding like that…we don’t know where Josephine comes from although her death certificate says Wm. Holland (father) and Josephine Hollins (mother). My Mom said it was all lies told by her brother who couldn’t be trusted. The weird thing is there is a Wm. HOlland with mention of a Josephine Holland I believe age 12, so I am stuck with locating anymore info on her…
For those who didn’t know, if you have Holland in your genealogy history, there were two Hollands family in Virginia. I’ll dig the oral story notes up and post if anyoneis interested in this info. By the way, there was a Moss that married a Holland, my girlfriend’s aunt. How weird is that, my friend might be related to me — amazing stuff!
Vance…
Thanks for that link. I will have to go over it with the Moss Genealogy book that was given to me.
Lynella…
Thanks for the welcome. I am brand spanking new on board here. Found the website while surfing the net for info on Blackfoot Indians. I look forward in getting to know everyone on board here.
LindyLuu,
That’s how I found the forum too. So many of us are related it’s unfathomable!:) Glad you’re here. Love & Light, Lynella.
Cindy,
For what its worth an ANDREW MASON was on the 1718 tax list for Conestoga Township (PA) shortly after its errection. According to Charles Hanna’s WILDERNESS TRAIL, most all the individuals on this tax list were involved with trading with their Indian neighbors.[Vol. 1, p. 162]
A GEORGE MASON petitioned the the Chester County, PA court for a license to trade with the Indians in 1730. [Hanna, Vol 1., p. 179] There is also record that he was liscensed in PA in 1732 & 1737, as well. [Hanna, Vol. II, p. 336]
In 1735 Orange Co. VA Joseph Mounts, who is the Indian trader I am interested in developing more information on, had a suit brought against him by ANN MASON, widow of GEORGE MASON. Morgan Bryant [Bryan], also an Indian Trader, was Joseph’s security. Another trader, Edmund Cartlidge, is named in the suit. Joseph Mounts’ land, which was later leased in part to Thomas SWEARINGEN, was located in present day Berkley Co., VA, near SCRABBLE. This suit information is from early Orange Co. court records- very dry & sparce of needful details. I am ASSUMING the suit may have been over trade goods/affairs concerning the Mason estate because of who these people were, but don’t know for sure. [Joseph moved over to Frederick Co., MD- present day Allegany Co. near OLD TOWN. Of course, Old Town was an important spot for trade and cross-cultural exchange, and on the Warrior’s Road Thomas Cresap was located at Old Town, but he really wasn’t the first trader therer, despite what his claims may have been. ]. Remember that GIST left from Old Town on his famous reconnoitering trip for the Ohio Company. And by the way, Christopher Gist had a trading post, one of the first, on the Monongahela I believe. ]
In Cecil O’Dell’s PIONEERS OF OLD FREDERICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA – very good for untangling some of the Fairfax land knots that make research hard in this area- I find that a THOMAS MASON was living on the east side of OPECHON CREEK abt. 1736. Thomas & wife Elizabeth finally purchased land in 1754 from a Thomas Lowe that was located on MILL CREEK, which is in present day Berkley Co. – near Bunker Hill.
Oh, and a Thomas MASON was taxed in Marlboro Township, Chester Co. PA in 1734.
Cindy, from the little I’ve been able to read here lately I think some of this information might ring bells for you. I have no way to connect these various MASONS at present, however. If you know of a connection, please let me know :>) , ok?
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