The Cherokee War

That is a good website Bill — wado.

http://www.chickamaugahistoryresearch.bravehost.com/

I have started my own little website about the Chickamauga Cherokee. I want very much to document everyting on it as I grew so tired of all the “fake Chickamauga” histories on line — so I started that research group to check out the real history and separate it from the “fact” from the “story” that may or may not be fact. I am only interested in “History” that can be “documented.” By learning this, it can be used to support family stories, but the two need to be separated. If anyone is interested in that yahoo research group a link to it is at the bravehost site near the top.

http://www.chickamaugahistoryresearch.bravehost.com/RevolutionaryWar/BattlesandEvacuation1.html

Here is another version of that Cherokee War, based only on “Heart of The Eagle” right now, but more will be up eventually — this site has just been up a few days. More will be up in the coming months. A lot of the links are still empty but they’ll gradually fill up.

vance

Wado Bill — I gotta go through it and fix the spelling — should a done that first but I am always in a hurry cause I am doin a lotta original transcribin’ of original documents and books.

Ya know Linda’s site here was the inspiration for that “Chickamauga” site I wanted to do. I saw people here don’t argue, to don’t hear a lot of people with a personal agenda wanting to “make history” so it’ll say their “Band has existed intact since the 1830s or before, things like that. They “make up history” — but it is not their fault really — as for some group to ever hope to become “federally recognized — one of the requirements for federal recognition is that yuor band has to have a continual history of having never disbanded. So people seeking for federal recognition they HAVE to try to do this as it is a requirement.

So many grouyps end up i arguments and you don’t see that here and I think that is because of the reason I just mentioned — no personal agendas. I wanted something like this — people researching — but Chickamauga History, not Saponi. There is some over lap as I have noticed many people seem to say they have both Cherokee and “Blackfoot” ancestry.

For that reseearch I think it goes back to the historic period 1774 to 1795. Thre is a”little” documentation — Mr. Jarvis Louis (or is it Lewis Jarvis?) lettter speaking of friendly Indians who came with the first settlers to helped built Fort Blackmore. And the Linda found the otherday that spoke of “Blackfoot of the — was that Seneca or Ottawa ?? I forget . . . 🙂 sorry . . . The Chickasaw helped the British in the Revolutionary War but afterwards were staunch supported of the U. S. Government and fought against the Chickamauga Coufederacy after that time. But there are records of individual Chickasaw as members of Dragging Canoe’s bands . . . and I am thinking the same may be true of “those friendly Indians (friendly to the settlers). Records speak of “Northwards” Indians living with teh Chickamauga in th Chickamauga townss. Some of these are known to be Shawnee or Miami or Delaware or Kickapoo or one of the others — but were they all?

I also consulted an official of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma before creating that Chickamauga website and he e-mailed me back saying “You are going about it the right way.” He said he really didn’t know much about that period of history.

I’d like for people to do there what they do here — dig deeper than the rolls and census records which is also needed — but also into history of locations and maps, and what happened in that area at particular timeframes. Look up the history of such and such a County. Find local historians who have already dug up material and written it down and get books and copy it down. I noticed people in Virginia do that — You don’t see a lot of people researching “Chickamauga History” really digging that deep, like you see here.

Well I could go on and on — I better shut it! 🙂

vance

Thanks, Ken. That’s a very meaningful compliment. I appreciate it.

howdy Ken

you are right — this website is showing the way of “how to do it right”. When I first came here, I’d had many bad experiences of other groups and I was very, very pessimistic, and I had a 100 pound chip on my shoulder . . .

Now I see this is real research and when facts can’t be found, “circumstantial evidence” might be all a person can gather. When it is found in abundance, and not isolated cases that can be explained away as a “coincidence” or a “random event” — and I am confident emperical and coorelational research methods can prove this in time, well I’m not sure what can be done with the informtion — but someting that will help the cause of the assimilated, mixed blood unenrolled Indian peoples of America.

My Virginia ancestors were trying their best to be “assimilated” Christian White Indians for 200 years, often fighting with the Whites against what were called “Wild Indians” in old times — and when they finally succeed, along comes a generation like mine that wants to go back and remember and rediscover . . . 🙂 I am not gonna “sugar coat” it and say they belonged to a “band” hiding in the woods, forgotten and undisturbed for 200 years. No, that’s silly — they are on census records and they are in Church records — they gave up traditional ways long ago — they just wanted to live a better life and to do this they wanted to be White, period —

They DID leave the tribal community but lived near it, always. Perhaps the tribal community just melted away like the snow does. Once they were gone, that was all, there were no more anywhere on Earth. When you think of it that way it’s kinda sad, I suppose. They wanted a sense of community but it became increasingly difficult as others moved away and were assimilated. They didn’t know what path to choose. Stay put? Flee to the West? Which was best?

My Virginia family mixed with others like themselves who had separated from Cherokee (in Arkansas) and tried to maintain a sence of community again, until they too assimilated at the begining of the 20th century here in Oklahoma, half a continent away in space and culturally — virtually ignorant of their origins, with only a few old family stories to hold onto of a forgotten time.

vance

Hey Vance

I am glad to help you out,I have some good Info for you ,from some research materials that I got from the Newberry library,which is all part of the Indian Land claims commission,which was run by Dr. Erminie wheeler-Voegelin,this is all federal doccuments.

I am always amazed at these people who claim to be HISTORIANS

they never seem to know much about history. Hopefully you can educate them.

George

Tom, that’s one of the things I am trying to look into. Right now I cna’t access my e-amil and on top of that my monitor died on me so I have to borrow a computer topost anything.

But I definitely think you have something there.

I really think many people who think they have Cheroee blood actually have blood of some Tribe furhter East that dissapeared from history — especially those with links to Kentucky and Ohio, but it is hard to know for sure. Shawnee were in SE Tn and Cherokee went to Ohio — in the historic period between 1775-1795. Records of both going to”west of the Mississippi” start in the 1790s it seems, after the defeat at Fallen Timbers.

George, thanks for that information.

you said —

from some research materials that I got from the Newberry library,which is all part of the Indian Land claims commission,which was run by Dr. Erminie wheeler-Voegelin,this is all federal doccuments.

reply —

Where is “Newberry”? Can you expand on the “Indian Claims Commission” of which Dr. Erminine Wheeler-Voegelin is/was head? — who are they and how do you access their documents? Who is this doctor?

Again, thanks. 🙂

vance